"Git gud" is a term that needs to be stamped out of existence.

[Soopyyy]

Sounds like a case of thathappened.jpg...

 

[GluttonyFang]

In any game whenever I've personally asked for help, I end up getting the usual "uninstall" comments when I don't perform to standard right away. The poster above said something about helping, but I don't trust anybody to actually do so. And I'd like to see how much I'll need to change what I do first before I can make any adjustments. I'm a kinesthetic learner.

I don't know, when I take a casual scan across the forum, I spot some helpful people right away, even in the group section.

 

[Princess Nia]

I see it everywhere I go in gaming forums, and it is insulting every single time I see it. In the context of Elite, it is related to harder NPCs; the majority of players saying it appear to be PvP types unaffected by the change. The rest of us who play more leisurely (aka "casuals") are often the ones who suffer the most when difficulty ratchets up suddenly.

The issue is, the simple fact is not everyone has the physical skill set, the resources (I myself play on a hand-me-down KB&M) or the time to, as the elitist crows puts it, "git gud". People have no idea how to be people anymore, and those with a super high MLG skill set demand everyone all play at their level, that every video game they ever pick up all be catered to their skills, and on you if you can't match them. If the game isn't difficult, they scream at developers to make it difficult or they'll take their business elsewhere. When someone not of their level has an issue, they swarm on them with "GIT GUD SCRUB" comments; in the context of Elite, they're then surprised when nobody wants anything to do with them and they stay in Solo. It is precisely because I can't stand these sorts of people that I personally play in Solo.

The simple fact is that players who yell at others to "GIT GUD" don't actually want these players actually getting better. They want to always have this aura about being "better" than everyone else and lord it over those who can't succeed at getting better on their own for whatever reason. They react with toxic levels of schadenfreude when games get harder. If a player were to actually get better, then said player could challenge them and knock them off the throne they've set for themselves.

If you really, REALLY want to see the game get better, and the players get better, then offer to help. Offer to mentor. Offer to train. If you just say "git gud" then quite frankly you need to be isolated. You already have your reward. You have nothing further to add but sneering and contempt. And so, you deserve it right back.

This is one reason why gaming communities are often so toxic. Everything's a competition when it doesn't need to be.

It's only offensive if you think it's offensive, and some of the best players in this game play on KBAM, but thats not the point.

I dont care if people play casually or not, But being casual doesnt mean whining about something that you have to be a tiny tiny bit more attentive to

"git gud" in this game translates to "just dont be stupid"
It's only a competition if you think it's a competition, but in reality, it's not.

 

[Pyrebird]

In any game whenever I've personally asked for help, I end up getting the usual "uninstall" comments when I don't perform to standard right away. The poster above said something about helping, but I don't trust anybody to actually do so. And I'd like to see how much I'll need to change what I do first before I can make any adjustments. I'm a kinesthetic learner.

And I'm an autist that literally re-wired my brain when I became self-aware. It is in no way difficult to build those skills necessary to being good at games like Elite Dangerous. I've had the game for 6 months or so and I'm able to hold my own against people in much better ships, with more experience that spend all their time doing pvp.

You have no excuse.

 

[Soopyyy]

And I'm an autist that literally re-wired my brain when I became self-aware. It is in no way difficult to build those skills necessary to being good at games like Elite Dangerous. I've had the game for 6 months or so and I'm able to hold my own against people in much better ships, with more experience that spend all their time doing pvp.

You have no excuse.

LOL, owned.

 

[Fendalton]

Git gud.

 

[Sole Hunter]

oh, please...

You are not going to kill an idea, the term is there to stay and it will make sense to use it when you have cry-babies coming on the forum because they died in open. I did the same stupid mistake when I first posted on this forum.

I got better and learned the hard way. It's perfectly legitimate to tell someone to get better, that's far more positive and constructive than whining about it on the forums.

my 2 cents.

 

[Fendalton]

You can't say git gud because it hurts my feelings
You can't call me a noob because it hurts my feelings
I'm allowed to play in open and combat log because I didn't consent to PvP
I've been a loyal player since 1866
Too much RNG in Engineers, I need to minmax.
NPC's too hard, I can't farm them with my turrets while watching netflix Frontier ship broken geam

All very real, very serious issues that warrant discussion on the forums.

 

[Sole Hunter]

I don't know, when I take a casual scan across the forum, I spot some helpful people right away, even in the group section.

There are some great casual carebears on this forum who take the time to help others and they understand pvp and sometime you have fanatic carebears who whine about everything with a pvp tag on it.

it's the unfortunate reality of a splitted community. It wouldn't really happen if the game was open only.. not saying it should happen but the Elite community is always going to be the same terrible puddle of toxicity due to this problematic.

 

[Windscreen Smudge]

People seem intent on making it one, however.

No, I'm pretty sure that the community as a whole has been working for 2 years to make it a very tactical, methodical game that relies on outwitting your opponent. If you want an example of a space sim that relies on twitch reflexes take a look at Star Citizen. The difference is pretty unmistakable.

 

[X-Terminator]

Forum Rules should stop posters from provocative and antagonising posts that have no other reason than to wind you up. Far too many gangs of Elitist posters with the single aim of putting down threads. Mods please act more to allow open discussions and NOT allow argumentative baiting posts. Thanks.

 

[Nuvey]

I see it everywhere I go in gaming forums, and it is insulting every single time I see it. .

You must suck at this game then, because they only encourage people to get better at games when they write a grade school essay about why they are offended by people telling them to get better. This makes you sounds like you’ve been #Triggered and you need a #SafeSpace to hide under a blanket and have a cry in.

In the context of Elite, it is related to harder NPCs; the majority of players saying it appear to be PvP types unaffected by the change. The rest of us who play more leisurely (aka "casuals") are often the ones who suffer the most when difficulty ratchets up suddenly .

How presumptuous of you to assume that this only effects the lazy players. I am a bounty hunter by trade, and have killed thousands of NPCs, and maybe a dozen players in my year of the game. Harder NPCs make the game fun to play. We don’t all desire the ability to just fly an unarmed sidey into a Haz Res and farm a billion credits. We want to learn to fly, fight, and win. We hone our skills against the hardest NPCs so that if we get attacked by a player, we can win, or at least lay some punishment on them before we die. Besides, some people enjoy flying cheap ships and just fighting in combat without even worrying about the money. They enjoy the actual challenge that comes with extremely hard NPCs.

The issue is, the simple fact is not everyone has the physical skill set, the resources (I myself play on a hand-me-down KB&M) or the time to, as the elitist crows puts it, "git gud".

Not one person started Elite with the exact skill set required to be good. They actually GOT GOOD. They enjoyed the game, and invested a bit of money to get some items to help them play better. I use a cheap KB&M in conjunction with a $35 (USD) Logitech joystick. Just because you don’t have the desire to hone your skills, does NOT make those who do “Elitists.”

People have no idea how to be people anymore, and those with a super high MLG skill set demand everyone all play at their level, that every video game they ever pick up all be catered to their skills, and on you if you can't match them.

So a few highly experienced players set a high standard, and expect you to hold up to that standard, and you have a problem with it? You don’t like being held to a high standard? This seems reminiscent to the mentality that millennials that got participation trophies simply for not napping during the big game.

If the game isn't difficult, they scream at developers to make it difficult or they'll take their business elsewhere.

Welcome to the free market. This is how companies operate. I’m truly sorry that I have to explain free market economics to you on a video game forum, because you didn’t learn it in primary school. Buying things must be a triggering experience, since nothing in the free market is going to be spot on perfect to what you want.

When someone not of their level has an issue, they swarm on them with "GIT GUD SCRUB" comments; in the context of Elite, they're then surprised when nobody wants anything to do with them and they stay in Solo. It is precisely because I can't stand these sorts of people that I personally play in Solo.

With so many people crying about so many different things, is it not plausible that they simply grow tired of answering the same questions, from the same people every few days? Genuine advice may have failed, and they are now offering something with a little more vitriol. Maybe they honestly think the sting will affect the change that the kinder methods have failed to affect. Others may simply be reactive with hostility because people like you post up crying about how bad you are at the game, and demand that Frontier makes it easier to accommodate you, and your personal limitations in time and incentive, effectively destroying the enjoyment they have with the game. What about those like you? If you make NPC easier, then players like myself will be forced to look elsewhere for a fun combat engagement. And you and your kind of player will take the punishment involved in it.

Perhaps the harder AI was Frontier’s response to handling PvP players attacking non-PvP players, and you want them to change it back? Guess you wouldn’t care because you play in solo, and likely don’t care about the others who would be hurt by a sudden surge in PvP players.

The simple fact is that players who yell at others to "GIT GUD" don't actually want these players actually getting better. They want to always have this aura about being "better" than everyone else and lord it over those who can't succeed at getting better on their own for whatever reason.

Both of these are unwarranted assumptions. You are assuming to know the mind set of all players who tell others to “get good.” Either provide statistical, peer reviewed data to support this claim, or stop making this assertion.

They react with toxic levels of schadenfreude when games get harder. If a player were to actually get better, then said player could challenge them and knock them off the throne they've set for themselves.

Another unwarranted assumption based on what you believe their reaction is. But why not GET GOOD, and knock them off of their proverbial throne, as you say. Take the time, and a tiny bit of capital. Invest in your ability, and track them down and knock them down. I play in open around Sol. CMDR Nuvey is my name, if you want to start somewhere.

If you really, REALLY want to see the game get better, and the players get better, then offer to help. Offer to mentor. Offer to train.

You’re full of assumptions. You know for a fact that none of them offer to train and mentor junior pilots? What do you base this on? The fact that you haven’t been offered training? Maybe they offer training based on how the player reacts after losing. If they lose with honor, they get offered training. If they take to the forums to complain about how hard the game is, they are laughed at and left to struggle.

If you just say "git gud" then quite frankly you need to be isolated.

Argumentum ad odium. You’re angry, and you feel that your anger justifies their being punished. But they have done nothing wrong, you have. You refuse to “get good” so you will be punished through due course of the game. Your income will be lower. You’ll be attacked more frequently. You’ll struggle, and then you’ll quit. If you refuse to get good, you will stop playing. So, why should Frontier indulge you, when you’re likely to quit anyways?

You already have your reward.

What reward?

You have nothing further to add but sneering and contempt.

Assertion without evidence.

And so, you deserve it right back.

And they will handle your contempt with much more nobility than you have shown in this post.

This is one reason why gaming communities are often so toxic. Everything's a competition when it doesn't need to be.

It’s a game. Players are competitive. Who exactly are YOU to demand that WE not be competitive? Competition builds skill, refines products, and wins wars. Crying has never achieved anything, so why should we try it when the evidence points towards competition as the answer?

 

[nosleepdemon]

Let's not "stamp terms out of existence". Wars on words are so 2015. Instead, why don't you git gud, OP?

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I take back what i said - partly. I would like to see the flagrant embelishment of uncomfortableness with the word 'toxic' become an offense punishable by execution.

 

[Nuvey]

And I'm an autist that literally re-wired my brain when I became self-aware. It is in no way difficult to build those skills necessary to being good at games like Elite Dangerous. I've had the game for 6 months or so and I'm able to hold my own against people in much better ships, with more experience that spend all their time doing pvp.

You have no excuse.

You are an inspiration, Commander.

 

[Mr_Foxhound]

I see it everywhere I go in gaming forums, and it is insulting every single time I see it. In the context of Elite, it is related to harder NPCs; the majority of players saying it appear to be PvP types unaffected by the change. The rest of us who play more leisurely (aka "casuals") are often the ones who suffer the most when difficulty ratchets up suddenly.

The issue is, the simple fact is not everyone has the physical skill set, the resources (I myself play on a hand-me-down KB&M) or the time to, as the elitist crows puts it, "git gud". People have no idea how to be people anymore, and those with a super high MLG skill set demand everyone all play at their level, that every video game they ever pick up all be catered to their skills, and on you if you can't match them. If the game isn't difficult, they scream at developers to make it difficult or they'll take their business elsewhere. When someone not of their level has an issue, they swarm on them with "GIT GUD SCRUB" comments; in the context of Elite, they're then surprised when nobody wants anything to do with them and they stay in Solo. It is precisely because I can't stand these sorts of people that I personally play in Solo.

The simple fact is that players who yell at others to "GIT GUD" don't actually want these players actually getting better. They want to always have this aura about being "better" than everyone else and lord it over those who can't succeed at getting better on their own for whatever reason. They react with toxic levels of schadenfreude when games get harder. If a player were to actually get better, then said player could challenge them and knock them off the throne they've set for themselves.

If you really, REALLY want to see the game get better, and the players get better, then offer to help. Offer to mentor. Offer to train. If you just say "git gud" then quite frankly you need to be isolated. You already have your reward. You have nothing further to add but sneering and contempt. And so, you deserve it right back.

This is one reason why gaming communities are often so toxic. Everything's a competition when it doesn't need to be.

GET GUD

 

[GluttonyFang]

Forum Rules should stop posters from provocative and antagonising posts that have no other reason than to wind you up. Far too many gangs of Elitist posters with the single aim of putting down threads. Mods please act more to allow open discussions and NOT allow argumentative baiting posts. Thanks.

Well, not to defend some over-active debates thrown back and forth, but the same can be said about those trying to nerf the AI. Conflict is caused by at least two, not one.

 

[OnePercent]

I do not believe freedom of speech should be stamped out of existence just because these words offend you.

 

[DocShady]

Oh your poor fii-fiis.

People can say whatever the they like, that's the nature of the online landscape. If I'm better than you at the game, I have every right to tell you to 'git gud' because I kicked your ass.

This comes into play with pvp, trading and exploration when I decide to do it. Granted, I'm nicer than most and will offer advice and paths to do so, I've written a couple extensive guides concerning trade routes for people who aren't as fortunate as to discover them by accident like I did, but that doesn't change the fact that my message is the same as the message of the guy who blew your ship to hell as you were exiting a letterbox then taunted you in the chat telling you to 'git gud'.

And finally; saying players should be isolated and removed from the crowd is not only going to make the game less competitive, but it'll also take away a major goal for players- that being so that they can get good at the game, and surpass the people so they can tell them to 'git gud' and look good to the people around them because they *drumroll* GOT GOOD.

And the whole toxic thing really isn't true. I've found that once you start ignoring all the idiots that tell you to kill yourself, or you learn to laugh at their shoddy insults the community is not only less toxic, but you can actually make a lot of really, really good friends in the community.
And complaining on the forums about the community being toxic is what I'd call a self-fulfilling prophecy; you're going to draw the crappy people out of the woodwork just so they can prove you right, while the intelligent people will either act as I have or flat out ignore you.

"Git Gud" is usually associated with a more immature type of player. I try my best not to associate with those types, or people like the quoted poster above. I find them more abrasive, they tend to blame people around them if something goes wrong in game. They whine more then anybody. They tend not to be good company. If I'm told to "Git gud", I usually laugh it off cause I know Sponge Bob will be on soon and they'll have to log out.

 

[Soopyyy]

Irony.

 

[Chongo]

And I'm an autist that literally re-wired my brain when I became self-aware. It is in no way difficult to build those skills necessary to being good at games like Elite Dangerous. I've had the game for 6 months or so and I'm able to hold my own against people in much better ships, with more experience that spend all their time doing pvp.

You have no excuse.

The spectrum encompasses a vast range of neurological differences barely understood, let alone differentiated. From an empathetic vantage, I would only say that for many, it's not something to be likened to an excuse, but rather an apology to the surrounding wildlife struggling to keep pace. Much respect CMDR.

o7