The Star Citizen Thread v 4

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Mmm true. The problem is that it had been stated on this very forum by Braben himself that nothing from the prototyping endeavours before the Kickstarter was used in the game. The debaters on reddit simply are not aware of this, even though it has been discussed to death.

Well haven't you all discussed to death the rewrites that Star Citizen faced and how it was scrapped from what CR had before?

Is there any assets and work from 2011/2012 that are still on Star Citizen today? By the same logic, then what we are playing today was not being developed for 5 years. :p


Except that they are released. They're released to a small batch of people who are paying yet more money for the access.

It's an Alpha of an Alpha in other words. Semantics, look it up.
It's irrelevant, the PTU it's not the alpha access, the access that all the backers of this game HAVE when the passes were dropped. Un-released patches released on a temporary testing environment, are not the Alpha Releases.
 
Well haven't you all discussed to death the rewrites that Star Citizen faced and how it was scrapped from what CR had before?

Is there any assets and work from 2011/2012 that are still on Star Citizen today? By the same logic, then what we are playing today was not being developed for 5 years. :p



It's irrelevant, the PTU it's not the alpha access, the access that all the backers of this game HAVE when the passes were dropped. Un-released patches released on a temporary testing environment, are not the Alpha Releases.

Boy those dumb-asses who paid for early access sure look silly now don't they. Like the people who backed for Star Marine, a 2014 release and the BDSSE.

Serves them right for not reading the small print*, isn't that right Max.


*CIG retain the right to alter the small print repeatedly without notifying backers.
 
Boy those dumb-asses who paid for early access sure look silly now don't they. Like the people who backed for Star Marine, a 2014 release and the BDSSE.

Serves them right for not reading the small print*, isn't that right Max.


*CIG retain the right to alter the small print repeatedly without notifying backers.


If someone backed Star Citizen for Marketing terms as the BDSSE is, then yes, quoting you here, those dumb-asses!
 
This project :(

I suppose got to be thankful really. They have shown the rest of the developers that there is big money to be made by coming out with games in the space genre. The big boys (aka evil publishers and the like) are all taking notice and bringing out their own games. By the time this car crash of a project releases with its Minimal Viable Product they'll have released their games and because they've been published and managed properly those games will be worth playing and be on time.

CIG just seems to move from one Fluster cluck to the next in almost every way...marketing, design, communication, funding.

No trust in them at all.
 
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Yeah how dare they listen to the devs of the game!

Let's not go again playing ingenuous, i think we're all adults and not children here to know how things are on reality.

When i buy a game like a FPS, i don't buy it because the devs said "this is going to be the best FPS experience you ever had" or " we're creating the next-gen FPS game"... I buy it because i found the features interesting, or the idea, or the gameplay. For me is utterly ridiculous that someone may have bought into this game, for a marketing term, not only that, taking the marketing term as a promise, and over that, one term that is purely opinion-based.
 
I have been invited to the PTU since the very first one, on the very first stage of invites (exception of evocati). I am neither no subscriber, neither someone who went beyond the base package. ;)

So, "circumventing the older process" <<< Total !

Max my friend after all you did it for CIG at this point I would not be surprised if CR personally invite you to live in his house and share anything&everything with you and by anything I mean ANYTHING even alpha access to his toilet and PTU to his fridge....:)
 
Let's not go again playing ingenuous, i think we're all adults and not children here to know how things are on reality.

Every second post you reply to me you accuse me of being ingenuous or baiting you.
You either don't know what the words mean or you're repeatedly trying to spark a certain reaction.


When i buy a game like a FPS, i don't buy it because the devs said "this is going to be the best FPS experience you ever had" or " we're creating the next-gen FPS game"... I buy it because i found the features interesting, or the idea, or the gameplay. For me is utterly ridiculous that someone may have bought into this game, for a marketing term, not only that, taking the marketing term as a promise, and over that, one term that is purely opinion-based.

Oh so it's ok to quote Chris Roberts when it suits you, but it's not ok to quote him when he's saying he's going to make the BDSSE or that we'll be playing Star Marine in two weeks or that birds will be in the game... or whichever of the other numerous ridiculous comments he's made.
So how do you decide what to believe and what not to believe when CIG devs talk?
 
Yeah how dare they listen to the devs of the game!

The BDSSE thing came straight from PC gaming savior Christ Roberts himself. Like his release date sulk and his irritation at people who ask where Star Marine went after he spent years hyping it.

You can't expect the messiah to stick to his word, his mind is above such worldly concerns.
 
Max my friend after all you did it for CIG at this point I would not be surprised if CR personally invite you to live in his house and share anything&everything with you and by anything I mean ANYTHING even alpha access to his toilet and PTU to his fridge....:)

hahaha :D

But no, unlike popular belief (on DS forums and SA forums conspiracies about this thread that seems very popular around those places), i'm not hired by CIG, neither would anyone know who I am on SC, not even CIG!

Every second post you reply to me you accuse me of being ingenuous or baiting you.
You either don't know what the words mean or you're repeatedly trying to spark a certain reaction.

Oh so it's ok to quote Chris Roberts when it suits you, but it's not ok to quote him when he's saying he's going to make the BDSSE or that we'll be playing Star Marine in two weeks or that birds will be in the game... or whichever of the other numerous ridiculous comments he's made.
So how do you decide what to believe and what not to believe when CIG devs talk?

I mean if we're talking "let's not listen to devs of the game", but we're truthfully talking about Marketing here, pure and simple. And it seems for me people are just playing innocent towards it to be able to act like they're so outraged about it.

The BDSSE is a big example of the marketing term, and at the end, it's all but marketing because, even if SC has all the promised features and so on, it's like those discussions "Witch is the Best FPS Game?!"
There isn't such, there's only opinions, the best FPS game for each individual. And that's why i goes beyond my mind people that over-dramatize this to a point it's blown out of proportion and people get angry over a company for market their product?! :|

Though the case of Star Marine has nothing to do with this, i don't think he had nothing to release on SM and still said "2 weeks", i don't believe that for a second, i do believe though they ran into issues and tried to bandage the release, and the more they dug on it, the worse it got, they kept doing that for months until finally delayed and focus redirected, and as we see today, Illfonic's code being refactored. That happens sometimes on games being developed! And to be clear, it's still CIG's fault for letting something like this happen.


Now when people come around with all that anger and hatred about how CR lied and said "he said he was creating the BDSSE!", "he said PC games were dead!", and similar stuff, i can do nothing more but face-palm. :/
Now if one comes with actual things as being un-happy about the scope changes and the features changes that came with it, and the overall the different direction from what it was originally, then that yes, i do understand.
 
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[video=youtube;oIBnSrF3wHw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIBnSrF3wHw[/video]
Why do they even bother to inform us about ship mass&size when that is not important at all,just look at that video and check the "twitchy" taking of in the space from the ship that apparently has length of 100m and high of 24m and can have mass up to the 360,000,00kg with the full cargo???Seems like FM are the same as they are always been....un-realistic twitchy mess FPS kind of style even on the capital big ships.....
 
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I wonder what's the vertical acceleration on the Starfarer, and how it compares to lighter fighters, which could achieve 8 to 12g. It's a shame, though, all that boasting about thruster modelling, and tiny little maneuvering thrusters are comparable in power to main engines.
 
I wonder what's the vertical acceleration on the Starfarer, and how it compares to lighter fighters, which could achieve 8 to 12g. It's a shame, though, all that boasting about thruster modelling, and tiny little maneuvering thrusters are comparable in power to main engines.

As of peeps chatting about this, the Starfarer stats have not been balanced yet as it was just added, we'll see if they will touch them it on the next patches before live, or after. It mostly needs gradual speed increase, i don't know why some backers get so salty if ships don't provide them immediate reaction.
 
As of peeps chatting about this, the Starfarer stats have not been balanced yet as it was just added, we'll see if they will touch them it on the next patches before live, or after. It mostly needs gradual speed increase, i don't know why some backers get so salty if ships don't provide them immediate reaction.

Well maybe because we are now 4+ years into the development and the very same subject of FM and ship's acceleration&movement are been already mention to the CIG more than billion time on their "popular"katamari threads so far....and is it anything change?Almost nothing at all in matter of fact seems that now we keep seeing very same old thing all over again but now is just wrapped in the "capital" ship packages......
 
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Max my friend after all you did it for CIG at this point I would not be surprised if CR personally invite you to live in his house and share anything&everything with you and by anything I mean ANYTHING even alpha access to his toilet and PTU to his fridge....:)

LMAO, he might even though in the wify as a bonus, or is it a punishment can't make up my mind regarding that.
 
If this is true CIG wants $10 a month to get the alpha early? If people think this is nothing but a pure money grab your delusional. Everyone that was an original backer was guaranteed alpha access, and now they want to charge for what? Alpha access? Oh wait let me guess this isn't alpha access, it is a developer build not good enough to be alpha but good enough to charge $10 to try it. Yup makes perfect sense. NOT! I can still see some defending it saying things like, well it isn't really alpha or they would release it. Well they are, but for a cash grab. No other way to see it. Also this set up that is causing the ruckus some get it for testing, that is what the original backers were told they would do. When in alpha they get it. If it is good enough to give to some it is good enough for all. If not then test it in house only. However now it can be a money grab and they are masters of that. Again I just read that in this thread so if it is not accurate well truth be told if they give it to some to test it should go to all FOR FREE, it is already well paid for.
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Transcript of a backer complaining.. Apologies for those who are DS sensitive!
http://www.dereksmart.org/forums/topic/general-discussions/#post-3464
 
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