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I understand what you are saying. I met a low ranked Imp. Courier in my A grade Cobra IV last night (I like the IV). I destroyed him, eventually. But it was enough to tell me that despite my A grade modules, I need better equipment to take the pummelling that the higher ranks will be giving out. So no, I'm not going to go down that road at present. I will watch and see what develops, but if what I suspect is happening is correct, I think FD are going somewhere with this game I do not wish to go.
IMHO its not that the NPC AI is better than it should be. its nice now. But the fact that every NPC and his dog has engieered ships to the brim including KNOWN op weapons like the shield torpedoes and the heat rays and the "killing all external modules in one volley" rockets just makes npc combat no longer fun.
There is NOTHING you can do if you get a viper that drops your Anaconda shields AND hull in less than 10 secs. There IS no counter to stuff like that. Not "git gud" no "use engieer weapons yourself" no nothing.
Simple as that.
To FD: dial down the use of those insane weapons or delete them completely for NPC (IMHO for players too, but that dosent concern me, i play no open these days).
The Ai itself its great and a nice challenge.
There is NOTHING you can do if you get a viper that drops your Anaconda shields AND hull in less than 10 secs. There IS no counter to stuff like that. Not "git gud" no "use engieer weapons yourself" no nothing.
Simple as that.
To FD: dial down the use of those insane weapons or delete them completely for NPC (IMHO for players too, but that dosent concern me, i play no open these days).
The Ai itself its great and a nice challenge.
i agree with his disagreeing. even if i had access to the beta i wouldnt play it. i have enough time to play elite. i dont want to choose to play a beta especially not if i lose lots of credits dying a lot. im not sure if that carries over into the actual game though or would be a separate commander.
Man, the npcs are not even trying to hit you or they barely try to, you should try to fight in a bigger ship like FAS, FDL or a Python, probably there is a bug that make npcs misbehave against players in a smaller ship, no idea if it is true but maybe it worths being tested
That nine seconds doesn't mean anything to a module malfunction, either PP or FSD.
Well, he may have been low rank but he had a way better combat ship then you!
Have you tried missiles? In beta I used a cobra mk4 with missles in the 3 class 1 slot and that worked really good, they improved compared to 2.0.
This. The AI is great! The weapons they carry are over the top.
In beta, it doesnt carry over to the real game...and everything is dirt cheap..I think its all 10% of real cost.
I agree!
Your PP or FSD does not get hammered in every fight.
Every fight is different.
if youre taking module abuse and cant defend it, I would think its time to get out of dodge.
If you see a volley of missles coming your way and stick around for the next volley...whos fault is that?
All hypothetical...but you get the jist.
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I agree. Removing engineer mods from the AI would be a good first step.
Wow that was not cool at all. Had something similair but managed to escape eventually.
no although an equivalent one might been there but you wouldnt know with the cops helping out from the start. however if you had met one like i did alone and he interdicts you and the cops dont come... expect rebuy. because when you cant fight, and cant boost out of range so your FSD is flipping on and offline with every hit, and he had your shields down under 20 seconds and your hull 74% and powerplant at 58% in 30 seconds from him firing... you cant escape either.You mean the ones I've been killing in a nav beacon earlier today?
The security forces are really handy I f you get into a spot of trouble, then again I'm only expert combat rank so going after the big fish in 2.1 right now is suicide.
I'll need to get a bit more practice in.
im competent he was master with modded thrusters and weapons and maybe shields not sure on shields though. if not for police jumping in (thank god i was in high sec system) at 30 second mark from firing i was dead with no options. no skill gets you out of that. class 5A shield gone in seconds, and mil spec hull not mattering a damn. or maybe if i hadnt had mil spec i wouldnt have lived long enough for the police to save me. sadly you cant head to the station and buy them npc feds a round.
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Things like this wont be an issue in a few weeks when people have their powerplant modded with a the armored mod.
I understand harder AI I truely do. I don't understand this AI Though, it's not exactly harder they just have far more advantages than they should. My gripes aren't with difficulty, i understand a game being difficult at times, even though this is NOT what this game has been for a year and a half, changing it now just ensures we lose even more of our player base. If you want a challenge, an intelligent ship to shoot at. GO to the ARENA. or go ONLINE. Making NPC's cheat to give them a chance against you isn't making them harder, it's making them cheat to have an edge on you. and i've stopped playing games for worse. Here is the following reasons of how i think the NPC's now cheat.
1) NPC's know you're wanted. no matter what your crime, and where you currently are. They don't even need to interdict you and use a kill warrent scanner. they just know, interdict you, and attack. if you run, they follow you, if you kill them. good job, but i can garuntee you if you FSD weather within the same system. or to another, there is immediately another who automatically knows you're wanted. if you're wanted. you just can't play. well, you can, but the ONLY playing you'll get to do is interdicted and fighting constantly.
2) upgrading your ship for survivability? suurree. Aren't you even aware that half the ships in game aren't combat oriented ships? all those ships you put your work into are now useless. I was flying my Fer-de-lance. class A engions, light weight for maximum speed and maneuverability. I get danced around by a big fat and slow anaconda loaded down with turrented heavy weapons. I do most my combat in flight assist off for maximum maneuverability, but this particular anaconda you can't possibly upgrade your ship enough to keep your sight reticule on for longer than a second.
3) I understand there is things in the game that can fix your hull, boost your shields. but why is it no sooner than i run from an attacking NPC while trading, flying my big fat and slow cutter, that they jump back into supercruise to interdict me again, their hull and shields are fully restord. I know they didn't have the time to use a repair unit, and shield booster, before chasing me down faster than i can travel 2LS away from where i was interdicted the first time. Just getting to a station to trade your goods is such a pain.
I'll admit the game was too easy before, though i never complained. I thought the npc's were just right before the horizon's update. i was run out of lots of combat zones in my anaconda by them, now i see no point in even dropping into a combat zone. NPC's tend to focus mainly on players, and if even the small ships are a burden to have to fight. who wants to drop in on a ton of them? for any reason??
Sure this new AI might appease a few people. but it seems to be killing the gaming experience for many of the players who hasn't quit playing by now. I know all of my friends have stopped playing by now. and i really do wish to keep going. but until this tiny little bounty i have is gone. i just simply can't. there's no gameplay there for me to have, just frustration, and being trolled by the game itself, not it's players.
1) NPC's know you're wanted. no matter what your crime, and where you currently are. They don't even need to interdict you and use a kill warrent scanner. they just know, interdict you, and attack. if you run, they follow you, if you kill them. good job, but i can garuntee you if you FSD weather within the same system. or to another, there is immediately another who automatically knows you're wanted. if you're wanted. you just can't play. well, you can, but the ONLY playing you'll get to do is interdicted and fighting constantly.
2) upgrading your ship for survivability? suurree. Aren't you even aware that half the ships in game aren't combat oriented ships? all those ships you put your work into are now useless. I was flying my Fer-de-lance. class A engions, light weight for maximum speed and maneuverability. I get danced around by a big fat and slow anaconda loaded down with turrented heavy weapons. I do most my combat in flight assist off for maximum maneuverability, but this particular anaconda you can't possibly upgrade your ship enough to keep your sight reticule on for longer than a second.
3) I understand there is things in the game that can fix your hull, boost your shields. but why is it no sooner than i run from an attacking NPC while trading, flying my big fat and slow cutter, that they jump back into supercruise to interdict me again, their hull and shields are fully restord. I know they didn't have the time to use a repair unit, and shield booster, before chasing me down faster than i can travel 2LS away from where i was interdicted the first time. Just getting to a station to trade your goods is such a pain.
I'll admit the game was too easy before, though i never complained. I thought the npc's were just right before the horizon's update. i was run out of lots of combat zones in my anaconda by them, now i see no point in even dropping into a combat zone. NPC's tend to focus mainly on players, and if even the small ships are a burden to have to fight. who wants to drop in on a ton of them? for any reason??
Sure this new AI might appease a few people. but it seems to be killing the gaming experience for many of the players who hasn't quit playing by now. I know all of my friends have stopped playing by now. and i really do wish to keep going. but until this tiny little bounty i have is gone. i just simply can't. there's no gameplay there for me to have, just frustration, and being trolled by the game itself, not it's players.
Yes, let us players finish testing the mods, then give them to NPC.
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Taking a break is exactly how I feel now. It's not only combat, missions seem to be more broken than ever, too.
Yes, maybe ED will chuckle on. But not thrive like this. A large part of players are casual, and enjoy other things than hardcore combat. Without those players, ED will make much less money, i.e. less resources to improve the game further. Everybody loses. But I do have faith that, as you say, quirks will be ironed out, and all will be good, and there'll again be places and fun for everyone (or almost ...).
If a module takes a direct hit from something kinetic and explode-ey or a Rail/Plasma, that module usually goes bonkers. That's from experience, both on the giving and receiving end. And there's a difference between a module going offline and malfunctioning. You can have a power plant malfunction at 75% integrity. Same for an FSD.
I'm just pointing out that there's a number of reasons why he couldn't have simply high waked, despite the time he had to do so.
What can I say? I have no doubt you are correct but I just like the IV. It may be an 'old person thing' but I do. But if I can't survive in it without running around in circles doing things for stuff I don't really want, just to give it a chance then I won't bother. To me it looks like all ships will need to be 'magically' buffed , just to survive. I am locked in with the LEP, so I will watch and wait to see what develops and hope I didn't waste my money.
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