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The Star Citizen Thread v 4
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But it also proves that CIG is building what they said they'd build, going through with their plans. It also proves that the work talked about with AI way back when hasn't been scraped but is in fact being actively built upon.
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Sigh, now you drag one of my favorite movies in just to make a joke about SC. I don't understand why this kind of is okay.
LOL resorting to personal attack nice. Sure go to 1:18 sec of the video on the right, they clip through each other. Most MMO's have NPC's that do this basic implementation, have you played an MMO of late? NVM that being an MMO is nothing special in terms of AI (would also point out that SC is not currently an MMO), and as such many games do this basic implementation. Also that video does not show them doing anything more then walking on a set path, collision avoidance is not anything new to games (GTA 3 had this, along with many other games).
They can talk all they want, but its still not in game, so does not count. You have yet to prove anything false, there are a low number of NPC's in the world and there always will be. Nothing you have shown has proven that incorrect.
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That's all great but, you need two to Tango.
CIG use the word CITIZEN, its not someone who just signed up on their site for free. Actually you can't do much on that site if you're not a CITIZEN, there are even a badge for it.
With that in mind, why would someone announce that they have X numbers of CITIZENS? if this number only was signed up people this doesn't mean Jack. So even if DS also are manipulating the information, and I have no proof of that, the numbers are kind of weird honestly.
If I remember correct, and please correct me if I'm wrong here, they went out and told the media that they now are X amount of CITIZENS, CIG actually never use the word backer that much.
The badge system is, Rank, backer/subscriber or blank, Organisation.
However its very foggy and not very clear so its easy to get confused. If you take the comments CR has around this and what value he give the CITIZENS, its equal to backers.
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So even IF Derek Smart is not a 100 % correct he is actually not wrong either in this matter. I even found an article describing the One Millions CITIZEN joining the "party".
Crowdfunded Wing Commander successor Star Citizen hits one million backers
Ofc they could all be just talking who really knows.
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Good stuff, hadn't seen that before.
I hope it is as in-depth as you say it is meant to be. I guess I'm just a bit sceptical of developer promises, looking forward to seeing it all in action.
Because it's funny+It's totally Legitimate question...
Lol, well that explains my inability to post then. =p
Yes - but we also have the Star marine example - it was all imminent - then it went awol - then Chris got a bit shirty and explained how it was actually there all the time and us tediously inattentive backers just couldn't see it.
Surely you can see why some of us won't take anything for granted from CIG anymore until they actually do what they say they're going to do in game and make it work?
Once (or loads of times bitten) twice shy and all that..
But he is wrong, because Derek maintains that the issue is not with how the number of backers are represented, but rather the crowdfunding total amount itself is being manipulated and they aren't making as much money as they're reporting.
I'm obviously optimistic more than skeptical, I admit that. I hope it's as good as the stated plans as well, because if successful it'll create a truly immersive experience. Thanks for your response
See. It's okay for you to personally attack the hard work of someone trying to build a game, but it's not okay for me to point out that you're being a hater? Double standard much? I knew you're the type to just stick your head in the sand, so I'm done with you. You're obviously not here for any sort of rational discourse over the game but rather just to blindly bash it. Have fun.
WEll one is criticizing a game the other is calling someone names.
Once of these is contrary to forum rules, the other isn't.
If we can avoid calling each other names I think the thread will benefit because of it.
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Ok that's fine I really don't know anything about that, it was only the 600 - 800k actual backers compared to the 1.3 MIO. stated on their site.
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I like how this is only a thing when we talk about SC. When you guys ridicule Dsmart's games, it's all ok
The hypocrisy is overflowing.
Yes Star Marine was a rather unfortunate mishap, but it bugs me that Chris continues to be misquoted on the subject. He never said Star Marine itself is available in the game right now. The quote is, "Star Marine was just a game mode for people to play the FPS elements of Star Citizen until we could combine everything together: Flying, walking around, shooting, doing all the rest of the stuff, all together, that is what is in 2.0, that's what's in 2.1." Later he says, "It's definitely in and Star Marine was originally our idea of how to get people to play the FPS before we could put everything together, but since that obviously took longer than we expected to get FPS to the level that we are comfortable with. By the time we got it to the level we said "Okay you guys can play this." Well we already had all the other things combined with the Large World and the 64-bit coordinates and the zone system so that was it. So there you are, we will have Gold Horizon, we will have Star Marine, but that will come online once all the basic FPS features are out in and live in the mini PU."
The confusion here is where he says "it's definitely in." What he means when he says that is that the mode has NOT been cancelled or cut from the game whatsoever, and will still be included later on down the line. What we have right now in the aPU is basic FPS functionality (with more being added with every patch) that would have been included in Star marine. Star marine would have been used in turn to test such functionality. But now the FPS mechanics are being tested in the open aPU instead.
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WEll one is criticizing a game the other is calling someone names.
Once of these is contrary to forum rules, the other isn't.
If we can avoid calling each other names I think the thread will benefit because of it.
I maintain that if people kept their "criticisms" civil this thread would benefit much more. Instead things like that are said for obvious trolling purposes and nothing more. That's personal and furthermore completely unnecessary.
I like how this is only a thing when we talk about SC. When you guys ridicule Dsmart's games, it's all ok
The hypocrisy is overflowing.
He gets what he gives. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. That saying exists because no one is without dirt, and Dsmart sits upon heaps of it, yet he wants to try and call out another develoiper for failing while touting his own games as successful when that's no where near accurate. Perhaps if he changed his position we wouldn't criticize Derek's game dev abilities.
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Please keep all this religious hypocrisy out of here.
But it's the way it was handled - it was sold - it was imminent. There were meant to be regular updates - then it went quiet.
Then after the furore built up we were treated to a stroppy Chris making explanations and everyone else chimes in as though it was all obvious that's how it was going to be all the time.
Funny that no-one was saying that before Chris got all uppity.
And we all know exactly where any concern thread would have ended up prior to his comments.
ETA - which is why I won't believe a thing they say till it's in and working.
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not sure if this is entirely correct.Tgws gives access .
It's a completely valid saying that applies to this very situation... but okay, be dismissive of everything I said over that lol.
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They never "went quiet." Everything that went down with Illfonic was made public, and that's when it went from "two weeks" to on the backburner. And of course Derek and his merry band of clowns came out of the woodwork talking doom and gloom, and that's what resulted in Chris' abrasive response. He was tired of hearing Star marine is cancelled just as much as we were.
But he is wrong, because Derek maintains that the issue is not with how the number of backers are represented, but rather the crowdfunding total amount itself is being manipulated and they aren't making as much money as they're reporting.
I'm obviously optimistic more than skeptical, I admit that. I hope it's as good as the stated plans as well, because if successful it'll create a truly immersive experience. Thanks for your response
See. It's okay for you to personally attack the hard work of someone trying to build a game, but it's not okay for me to point out that you're being a hater? Double standard much? I knew you're the type to just stick your head in the sand, so I'm done with you. You're obviously not here for any sort of rational discourse over the game but rather just to blindly bash it. Have fun.
LOL, so you can personally attack an object, so all movie reviews are personal attacks, all car reviews, god you have to hate Amazion, all those personal attacks. So being critical of an object is a personal attack, pointing out that the tech has been done before is a personal attack? The steps some people will take to avoid backing up their statements.
I am waiting for you to provide any evidence of the things you type. Instead of doing that you retort with personal attacks, and now this very odd definition that only you hold.
Of course - how silly of me. No-one knowing what was going on with SM was Derek's fault.
ETA - you know when Chris went on camera last year and said they'd be at E3 this year. And then we heard of couple of days ago that apparently CIG hdd told the E3 peeps "weeks ago" that they weren't going to be there?
Whose fault was it that there was no announcement to that effect from CIG "weeks ago" - you know - to keep us backers in the loop?
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I'm just gonna respond one last time to clarify, I did back up my statement. I showed you exactly what I was talking about, in active development, as little as 2 months ago. Because you choose to blind yourself to it doesn't mean it isn't there, and that's exactly the issue I have with every hard-headed hater I come across. It's also exactly why I choose not to get into discussions with such people. I had hoped you could maybe see reason with some evidence, but it's clear now the type of person you are. That's not a personal attack, just an observation. If you don't want to be observed that way you should consider how you conduct yourself. Now I'm done.
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