The Star Citizen Thread v 4

[Viajero]

*Mod hat off

Not necessarily just when they spawn, but these NPCs will have actual lives they're living. They'll have reasons for being in the same city you're in. You may be in a gun shop and an NPC walks in and wants to buy a gun because he's about to venture into lawless space for the first time. This system will also generate missions for players, where an escort mission could be taken from this specific planet to protect this specific NPC as he hunts for, say, a blackbox from a ship that got destroyed. These missions will also have threads, wherein a player may choose to investigate further once this mission is complete, find out who or why this ship was destroyed. That could lead to a bounty hunting mission where you hunt down a well-known pirate in the area.

Hope you realize how silly all that sounds for readers that have seen:

Star Marine get postponed indefinitely, co-op drop in drop out cancelled, VR postponded indefinitely, private servers cancelled for release and relegated to the last very thing when many backers backed expecting to be able to train with friends/clan mates from day one privately, no word about the promised full translation and dubbing to other languages non French/German (i.e. Spanish translation/dubbing looks seriously at risk), recent confirmation by CR that not all stretch goals will be ready for release, statement by Ben Lesnick confirming there is a serious risk not all ships will be available for release, net code has been refactored 3 times and is still very deficient, assets pipeline is being refactored which is going to leave tons of former assets obsolete etc etc

Among all these significant shortcomings being cancelled or postponed indefinitely (some of them actually kickstarter promises) you are really saying things such as "NPCs will have actual lives they're living" and that NPCs will be "about to venture into lawless space for the first time."

Really. That actually has to rank up there along with procedurally generated birds and drink mixing mini-games.

Hope you forgive those not brainwashed by the CIG marketing machinery to be a bit sceptical of your nice story and dream.

I hear you though, and I really hope we get it all in the end.

 

[idkmybffjill]

Of course - how silly of me. No-one knowing what was going on with SM was Derek's fault.

That's not at all what I said. I stated that once news got out of what happened then Derek pounced on his chance to further push his narrative. Please don't skew my words.

 

[1500]

I'm just gonna respond one last time to clarify, I did back up my statement. I showed you exactly what I was talking about, in active development, as little as 2 months ago. Because you choose to blind yourself to it doesn't mean it isn't there, and that's exactly the issue I have with every hard-headed hater I come across. It's also exactly why I choose not to get into discussions with such people. I had hoped you could maybe see reason with some evidence, but it's clear now the type of person you are. That's not a personal attack, just an observation. If you don't want to be observed that way you should consider how you conduct yourself. Now I'm done.

Nope you didn't, that is what my follow up posts were about.

No you didn't show anything of what you were talking about, you showed static animations (something all games have), and simple avoidance while walking straight (yet another thing that is basic). None of which is in game, nor all that advanced (its actually very basic).

Are you going to provide any evidince of what you state?

Or are you just going to keep up with the personal attacks (i ask rhetorically as you keep doing it)? Oh and just because you say its not a personal attack, does not make it true. Kind of like your so called evidence.

 

[idkmybffjill]

*Mod hat off



Hope you realize how silly all that sounds for readers that have seen:

Star Marine get postponed indefinitely, co-op drop in drop out cancelled, VR postponded indefinitely, private servers cancelled for release and relegated to the last very thing when many backers backed expecting to be able to train with friends/clan mates from day one privately, no word about the promised full translation and dubbing to other languages non French/German (i.e. Spanish translation/dubbing looks seriously at risk), recent confirmation by CR that not all stretch goals will be ready for release, statement Ben Lesnick that there is a risk not all ships will be available for release, net code has been refactored 3 times and is still very deficient, assets pipeline is being refactored which is going to leave tons of former assets obsolete etc etc

Among all these significant shortcomings being cancelled or postponed indefinitely (some of them actually kickstarter promises) you are really saying that "NPCs will have actual lives they're living" and that NPSs will be "about to venture into lawless space for the first time."

Really. That actually has to rank up there along with procedurally generated birds and drink mixing mini-games.

Hope you forgive those not brainwashed by the CIG marketing machinery to be a bit sceptical of your nice story and dream. I really hope we get it though.

Well now I see where the community gets it, not even the mods can help themselves from taking jabs at Star Citizen and its community.

 

[Clawhammer]

Intresting news, in the new issue of the german gamestar magazin is a very big story about star citizen.

They are investigating the star citizen scam, they report how chris roberts fooled us all and how he now spend his live on his spacestation build by backer money.

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ha ha, no iam just kidding

No it is not true, but there is still an article about chris roberts, the secound part of 25 years history of wing commander extra plus an interview with ben lesnik.

Looks like the german press is not jumping on the sc scam train.

 

[ianw]

That's not at all what I said. I stated that once news got out of what happened then Derek pounced on his chance to further push his narrative. Please don't skew my words.

The point is no-one knew what was going on until Chris blew up - because CIG hadn't told us - again. Derek is - once again - irrelevant regarding why we knew nothing as it developed.

 

[Voivod]

It's a completely valid saying that applies to this very situation... but okay, be dismissive of everything I said over that lol.

You just said that no one is without dirt, doesn't that mean Croberts is also dirty? Why do you only apply it to Dsmart?
Didn't also Croberts call out Dsmart about his gaming development?
Your whole reply is full of typical religious contradictions that should really not be in a topic like this.

It's also obviously hypocritical.

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Intresting news, in the new issue of the german gamestar magazin is a very big story about star citizen.

They are investigating the star citizen scam, they report how chris roberts fooled us all and how he now spend his live on his spacestation build by backer money.

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ha ha, no iam just kidding

No it is not true, but there is still an article about chris roberts, the secound part of 25 years history of wing commander extra plus an interview with ben lesnik.

Looks like the german press is not jumping on the sc scam train.

Which press called SC a scam?

Also gamestar often has positive articles about star citizen.

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Well now I see where the community gets it, not even the mods can help themselves from taking jabs at Star Citizen and its community.

Calls out someone for taking a jab at his community by taking a jab at another community.

 

[Clawhammer]

Also gamestar often has positive articles about star citizen.

They are so evil for doing so! SC attack force must destroy them and invade their forums! Now!

 

[Viajero]

*Mod hat off

Well now I see where the community gets it, not even the mods can help themselves from taking jabs at Star Citizen and its community.

Lol, you really need to go through the thread and read some more... I am probably in a minority here among other mods posting their personal opinions on SC from time to time.

For what is worth I am a dual backer (ED and SC) and a lowly volunteer here that actually does not moderate outside the small Spanish community subforum.

 

[ianw]

Which press called SC a scam?

Also gamestar often has positive articles about star citizen.

It's one of those things we're seeing a lot of lately. No-one here is really pushing the scam narrative - but instead of discussing what we are talking about - the scam thing gets talked about because somewhere on the internet someone said something at some point about a scam.

 

[1500]

They are so evil for doing so! SC attack force must destroy them and invade their forums! Now!

You have that backwards. It CIG's fans that are well known for attacking anything that is critical of SC, going to the site of the article and fling personal insults and such. While I bet you can't provide a single link of someone doing the same thing on a positive article about SC.

 

[idkmybffjill]

The point is no-one knew what was going on until Chris blew up - because CIG hadn't told us - again. Derek is - once again - irrelevant regarding why we knew nothing as it developed.

I hate to sound like him, but go back and read what I said again. They didn't go quiet, they made the community aware that production on Star marine came to a halt. We were told why, which had to do with the issues pertaining to Illfonic and their dev stream. Then Derek did his , then Chris let his emotions get the best of him.

You just said that no one is without dirt, doesn't that mean Croberts is also dirty? Why do you only apply it to Dsmart?
Didn't also Croberts call out Dsmart about his gaming development?
Your whole reply is full of typical religious contradictions that should really not be in a topic like this.

It's also obviously hypocritical.

I never said Chris is without dirt, I never said he's perfect nor infallible. I'm perfectly comfortable recognizing that Chris has a history of reaching for the stars and coming up short, that his games get delayed. I recognize that it is my belief and not a fact that this time will be different. I was only replying to your comment about why we criticize Derek's work.

 

[lysan]

Well now I see where the community gets it, not even the mods can help themselves from taking jabs at Star Citizen and its community.

Ketchup dude is a backer of SC for as long as I remember, mod or not has nothing to do with it.

 

[1500]

Ketchup dude is a backer of SC for as long as I remember, mod or not has nothing to do with it.

While on that subject, I am a VB of SC, as such I backed 3 years ago.

 

[ianw]

I hate to sound like him, but go back and read what I said again. They didn't go quiet, they made the community aware that production on Star marine came to a halt. We were told why, which had to do with the issues pertaining to Illfonic and their dev stream. Then Derek did his , then Chris let his emotions get the best of him.



I never said Chris is without dirt, I never said he's perfect nor infallible. I'm perfectly comfortable recognizing that Chris has a history of reaching for the stars and coming up short, that his games get delayed. I recognize that it is my belief and not a fact that this time will be different. I was only replying to your comment about why we criticize Derek's work.

Thank you - you've cued my Uranus joke!

The problem with reaching for the stars is that sometimes you end up coming up short with your head stuck in Uranus!

(I know it's a crap joke but those sayings like reaching for the stars etc. really get up my nose)..

If you can show can show me where it was announced that Star Marine was delayed prior to it all kicking off I will happily retract that bit.

 

[Knightshark]

Well now I see where the community gets it, not even the mods can help themselves from taking jabs at Star Citizen and its community.

But you realize that he was just stating facts AND that he did that not as a mod? Well, but i agree it's a nice dream you wrote up. Seeing how though PG mission development is in ED and that with FD being a world leader in PG tech, i really doubt this dream will be realized by any company in the foreseeable future. And yeah, the history of CIG doesn't really make me more optimistic.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Well now I see where the community gets it, not even the mods can help themselves from taking jabs at Star Citizen and its community.

Do you realize that Mr.Viajero as 90% of us in here are ALSO part of that Star Citizen community,we are all BACKERS 2 but you constantly repeating like we are some Rival enemy group?

 

[Voivod]

I never said Chris is without dirt, I never said he's perfect nor infallible. I'm perfectly comfortable recognizing that Chris has a history of reaching for the stars and coming up short, that his games get delayed. I recognize that it is my belief and not a fact that this time will be different. I was only replying to your comment about why we criticize Derek's work.

and I was replying to your comment highlighting the hypocrisy in what you said:

See. It's okay for you to personally attack the hard work of someone trying to build a game

Which you seem to like to apply it to someone critisizing Croberts' work but you don't apply it when you critisize Dsmarts' work. In fact quite the opposite, you "personally attack the hard work of someone trying to build a game".
Then you went all religious quotes n' stuff.

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Do you realize that Mr.Viajero as 90% of us in here are ALSO part of that Star Citizen community,we are all BACKERS 2 but you constantly repeating like we are some Rival enemy group?

Yep.
Been a backer for quite some time now. Only have a aurora though.

I apologize for the inconvenience of not fitting into the "rival community" narrative.

 

[idkmybffjill]

Thank you - you've cued my Uranus joke!

The problem with reaching for the stars is that sometimes you end up coming up short with your head stuck in Uranus!

(I know it's a crap joke but those sayings like reaching for the stars etc. really get up my nose)..

If you can show can show me where it was announced that Star Marine was delayed prior to it all kicking off I will happily retract that bit.

It's noon and I was up all night working on a class final. I'd love to provide a lot more sources for what I've been discussing here this morning but I simply am not awake enough to do so effectively. This is the best I could do at the moment (last two paragraphs of the introduction). I'm sure I saw something a little after that which talked more about their plans going forward, but that's all I can come up with right now. I frequent the sub-reddit multiple times a day so you can imagine I see quite a bit of news which can be difficult pulling up on the fly.

Do you realize that Mr.Viajero as 90% of us in here are ALSO part of that Star Citizen community,we are all BACKERS 2 but you constantly repeating like we are some Rival enemy group?

My point is if people could be more civil about their criticisms they wouldn't even have to go outside of the RSI forums to voice their opinions.

 

[Prince Thrakkath]

They are so evil for doing so! SC attack force must destroy them and invade their forums! Now!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertc...a-scam-but-it-feels-like-a-cult/#1c0494ce5751

Theres some good reading for you, journalists are terrified to criticize star Citizen because of the lunatic fringe who crap on any thread or unbiased writer that is vaguely critical of SC, these guys stalk and terrorize them into submission. Backers on the CIG forums who complain on the official forums are treated the same, backers who mainly funded the original project scope in 2012/early 2013 and have been extremely badly treated IMO.

The victim card is getting old and has been well overplayed here and elsewhere. This thread is to discuss Star citizen positive and 'negative' , if ED was missing dates and cutting features left right and centre you can be sure it would be all over the SC forums. The only reason people are so fanatical in defending SC is the level of emotional and financial investment they have in it, it is a unique problem to SC alone.

Edit: just to add quite a few backers(myself included) have been extremely critical and vocal about 180's CIG and misleading statements regarding controls, limited ships and the flight model long before anybody even heard of Derek Smart.

Dsmart is a red herring used as an excuse to divert from genuine concerns and grievances SC backers have, nobody would be listening to him or giving him attention if CIG were treating their backers with the respect they deserve.