The Star Citizen Thread v 4

[GordFreeman]

I don't see how making fun of a third party would would seen in the same light as making fun of someone posting in this thread - as far as I can see CR doesn't do that.

I could find the numerous posts by moderators urging people to avoid commenting on developers and the CIG community if you want. CR is a developer too. Not just a CEO, or management.

 

[lysan]

This thread is full of long-time posters blah blah blah

I stand by every word I wrote, and you can take that to the bank.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Oh this place is positively easy going compared to some of the nastier places on the web. Their official outlets especially have led to the creation of a small breeding colony of lulz behind the beer fridge.

 

[ianw]

I could find the numerous posts by moderators urging people to avoid commenting on developers and the CIG community if you want. CR is a developer too. Not just a CEO, or management.

Be my guest - I'd like to see them.

 

[GordFreeman]

Nice finds...I almost want to give you rep. for the efforts....Look most of the quotes are truth some of them are fun and all of them are harmless comparing what the "Occult Factory" is making on the dark side of the moon....ohh there you go one more line for you "book of quotes"...

I think you've stated before that english isn't your native language. So I'll kindly let you know that calling people 'cultists' is just as bad as calling them 'cancerous'.

You know one thing that might, and that's a very big might, help this thread? If this were posted here every day.

What both Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous are trying to do is very hard indeed. Both games are incredibly ambitious. I am proud and excited about what we are doing, but what they are doing is ambitious too, and I am looking forward to playing Star Citizen when it is finished. What we are both doing is new; we are trailblazing. The scope of both is vast and quite different, and neither have been done before, so there is no right answer for either of the approaches. It is frustrating to see some of the criticism of Star Citizen online. We should applaud when someone tries something that is hard, that hasn’t been done, not discourage them.

 

[Insignificant_The_Galaxy_Cat]

I could find the numerous posts by moderators urging people to avoid commenting on developers and the CIG community if you want. CR is a developer too. Not just a CEO, or management.

*Phffft!* Ok, please do find those quotes, but also, to balance things out, provide the posts they are replying to as well. I think you'll find more of those warnings came about after an over-zealous CiG fan overstepped the community mark, rather than one of the regulars here.

 

[Tuub t Tute]

Hey Welcome new guy!

I see you made a thread asking about VR capabilities of video cards so it didn't look like you only joined the forum 2 days ago to jump into this thread: well played!

What are your thoughts on SC / SQ42? Do you think they will meet the Q4 release this year for SQ42?

Are you in the PTU, do you think 2.4 will reach the PU in the next 3 months?

What features do you think will come in 2.5? Will the "Item 2.0" system make real changes in the way people can view and interact with the SC game environment?

Do you think that SC will show at GameCon later in the year, or might they conserve their marketing budget for their own Britizencon later in the year?

 

[Asp Explorer]

We are doing exactly that - we applaud the efforts of developers who are trying to make a game they, and many other people, want to see completed.

We can only gawp at the spectacle of what CIG actually do.

 

[Insignificant_The_Galaxy_Cat]

I think you've stated before that english isn't your native language. So I'll kindly let you know that calling people 'cultists' is just as bad as calling them 'cancerous'.

You know one thing that might, and that's a very big might, help this thread? If this were posted here every day.

I think you'll find most folks on here realise that Braben is a good old bean who is rather good at staying calm in a sea of tumultuous emotion and feeling.

It would be nice if Roberts was as forgiving though, seeing as it's well-known how he's snarked openly about the "boring" gameplay in ED compared to what he was planning to do with SC. Heck, he even went so far as to take a swipe at the whole procedural generation engine that Frontier are using because it ended up creating lifeless balls of rock and not much else...

Strange then that when Horizons was about to premiere, CiG suddenly showed a PG planetary landing "demo" from literally out of nowhere. Hmm, but Mr Roberts, I thought PG was "boring" and "lifeless" a few months ago... what's changed?

 

[StuartGT]

This thread is full of long-time posters not only criticizing the game, but also calling people at CIG and it's community names. That is also against forum rules, or at least the rules posted at the beginning of the SC threads. If something is out of bounds in regards to yourself, then it’s also out of bounds in regards to a developer, manager, and yes, even a CEO. If it’s wrong for someone to mock you, then it’s wrong for you to mock Chris Roberts. Most people here look the other way when that happens, and then they pull out the pitchforks when someone’s called a hater.

“But I’m a backer!” they say. “I truly want the game to succeed!” they cry. Saying that you (generally speaking, not you personally) actually care about the game seems pretty disingenuous in my books when you spend years mocking the development with a winking smiley face at the end of your statements. Spending money on a product does not magically prevent you from attacking it later on. Good luck convincing people that you want a project to succeed when you enjoy mocking it.

When has this thread ever been half-decent? ‘Digs’ and ‘personal attacks’ have always been par for the course.








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Please, tell me again how this community only badgers the management, as if being in management is a good excuse for being attacked personally.
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[Prince Thrakkath]

This thread is full of long-time posters not only criticizing the game, but also calling people at CIG and it's community names. That is also against forum rules, or at least the rules posted at the beginning of the SC threads. If something is out of bounds in regards to yourself, then it’s also out of bounds in regards to a developer, manager, and yes, even a CEO. If it’s wrong for someone to mock you, then it’s wrong for you to mock Chris Roberts. Most people here look the other way when that happens, and then they pull out the pitchforks when someone’s called a hater.

“But I’m a backer!” they say. “I truly want the game to succeed!” they cry. Saying that you (generally speaking, not you personally) actually care about the game seems pretty disingenuous in my books when you spend years mocking the development with a winking smiley face at the end of your statements. Spending money on a product does not magically prevent you from attacking it later on. Good luck convincing people that you want a project to succeed when you enjoy mocking it.

When has this thread ever been half-decent? ‘Digs’ and ‘personal attacks’ have always been par for the course.








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Please, tell me again how this community only badgers the management, as if being in management is a good excuse for being attacked personally.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/12/14/with-100m-in-crowdfunding-star-citizen-may-not-be-a-scam-but-it-feels-like-a-cult/#3bb7de565751

It seems Forbes is also breaking forum rules It is a fact the SC backers behave in a cultish manner, the way all these 'new' accounts suddenly appear to post when Dsmart makes an appearance. The constant deflection of any topic construed as negative or critical, people pledged 114 million total to this game and it is 2 years late, 1 of 100 star systems has been delivered, core issues like the flight model and controls have not been dealt with adequately outright lies have been told 'no freelancer mouse controls'. The limited ships that weren't limited, the once in a lifetime LTI that was resold for more money you could right a book on it all seriously.

As I have said before the victim card gets old, the only people causing trouble here are the new accounts who followed Dsmart over here to cause trouble and try and close off open feedback on SC the project by getting the thread closed. Same as they harrassed journalists to stop posting articles that offered a critical eye on CIG's business practices. The negativity people feel towards how CIG has done business and treated them is on topic whether you like it or not.

 

[lysan]

I think you've stated before that english isn't your native language. So I'll kindly let you know that calling people 'cultists' is just as bad as calling them 'cancerous'.

You know one thing that might, and that's a very big might, help this thread? If this were posted here every day.

Wise words, lets zoom over to the RSI forum and get a comment about that...

Citizen what do you think about ED?

Star Citizen will be, what Frontier promised in the Elite: Dangerous trailer: Action, fun, multiplayer-gameplay. Elite: Dangerous is just a boring grinding-machine and everybody I know, who like the game (and most I know dont like it and even told me that they felt into sleep while playing Elite), absolutly dislike Star Citizen even though they just can experience a very very small part of it in alpha state. They don't like the fast paced flight model for the small ships... they want minute-long, boring "fly-in-a-circle-battles" like in E. E is not skill based at all, Star Citizen is skil based only and though needs practice ... a lot of it.

Oh ok, well I'll be off then to my hug box back at FD forums then cheers,


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[danjlynch1978]

I think you've stated before that english isn't your native language. So I'll kindly let you know that calling people 'cultists' is just as bad as calling them 'cancerous'.

Well, if the shoe fits...

 

[Stigbob]

And if i remember right, i explained to you a week ago why you can not compare these two projects. Again, SC is way much bigger. Small games are much easier to produce.

Or did these guys had to challange with complex technics like double precision? Singleplayer and multiplayer? Large 64bit worlds? The instance system and so on...

Triple ninja'd already, but you really read the whole post the bit where I wrote "as an example (IMO) of really good open development" is fairly obviously about open development not comparative gameplay or SC's tiny little map. It would help if you paid attention to that kind of thing before donning your pedantic trousers.

A comparison that can be made gameplay wise is the players ability to enter wander about inside of, interact with components of and pilot the cyclops a big submarine. You can do all of those things now in subnautica in SC you can only jank out of the hull in a t-pose, if you survive the deadly, deadly ramps.

Another obvious comparison is that both games contain oceans, subnautica by design SC by mistake.

 

[ianw]

It might be a good idea to point out for the benefit of new people that discussing forum rules/moderation is actually something we are not supposed to do.

 

[Voivod]

This thread is full of long-time posters not only criticizing the game, but also calling people at CIG and it's community names. That is also against forum rules, or at least the rules posted at the beginning of the SC threads. If something is out of bounds in regards to yourself, then it’s also out of bounds in regards to a developer, manager, and yes, even a CEO. If it’s wrong for someone to mock you, then it’s wrong for you to mock Chris Roberts. Most people here look the other way when that happens, and then they pull out the pitchforks when someone’s called a hater.

“But I’m a backer!” they say. “I truly want the game to succeed!” they cry. Saying that you (generally speaking, not you personally) actually care about the game seems pretty disingenuous in my books when you spend years mocking the development with a winking smiley face at the end of your statements. Spending money on a product does not magically prevent you from attacking it later on. Good luck convincing people that you want a project to succeed when you enjoy mocking it.

When has this thread ever been half-decent? ‘Digs’ and ‘personal attacks’ have always been par for the course.

Nice meltdown mate.

Oh and welcome to the forums

 

[Crawax]

CoD is coming out, ME is one its way and NMS, ED, etc. ED will probably hit PS4 next year, that is a 30 - 40 million potential player market, add XB and SC is just another space game among many.

CIG need good press, they need people to be interested, if you're the kardashians of a B rated gaming show doesn't really count.

I do not want SC to fail, however to me the CIG truck is stuck in a muddy road, and help is far far away.

I don't think SC has any competitor, none of the game you list (I don't see what ME is ?) are the same as SC.
CoD is not a MMO and cannot provide big map and free gameplay, NMS is not meant to be realist, ED has a totaly different gameplay.
Those game can exist at the same time and because they are so different everyone will find one they like more than the other but also because you can play them at the same time. You can start your evening running realistic mining operation in SC and finish it by enjoing a fast COD game.

The CIG truck is stuck in a muddy road because everything they do, a hode of success story haters try to make it look bad.
I don't even talk here about one guy that is used to do that, I am talking about the same people that made the new COD trailer one of the most disliked youtube video of all time, even if the general opinion about this new COD is that it look good.
They also got a so bad reputation because of those people that called SC a vaporware (and that are proved wrong by the fact that alpha 2.3/2.4 exist) that they have some kind of inertia that will need some really big thruster to compensate.
One of those truster could be SQ42.

 

[DeathsKnell]

Saw that "quote" on the day *after* this news broke. It's nothing new.

And that doesn't at all answer the reason *why* they didn't mention this on the RSI website, or anywhere else for that matter, just to give people notice that this change had been made, especially since as recently as March, they were saying how they were looking forward to E3.

Who knows, but I personally don't see it as a really a big deal, I am more interested in the release of SQ42 than another video at a game show. I am not going to defend CIG or CR, but in all fairness, he may have intended to go, but at the last minute decided to stay in England to oversee SQ42 rather than fly home for the show.
But you're guess is as good as mine and only CR can really answer that question.

 

[StuartGT]

I don't think SC has any competitor, none of the game you list (I don't see what ME is ?) are the same as SC.
CoD is not a MMO and cannot provide big map and free gameplay, NMS is not meant to be realist, ED has a totaly different gameplay.
Those game can exist at the same time and because they are so different everyone will find one they like more than the other but also because you can play them at the same time. You can start your evening running realistic mining operation in SC and finish it by enjoing a fast COD game.

The CIG truck is stuck in a muddy road because everything they do, a hode of success story haters try to make it look bad.
I don't even talk here about one guy that is used to do that, I am talking about the same people that made the new COD trailer one of the most disliked youtube video of all time, even if the general opinion about this new COD is that it look good.
They also got a so bad reputation because of those people that called SC a vaporware (and that are proved wrong by the fact that alpha 2.3/2.4 exist) that they have some kind of inertia that will need some really big thruster to compensate.
One of those truster could be SQ42.

Welcome to the FDev forums

I believe ME is Mass Effect, and that both it and the new COD are direct competitors to Sq42, not SC.

 

[ianw]

I don't think SC has any competitor, none of the game you list (I don't see what ME is ?) are the same as SC.
CoD is not a MMO and cannot provide big map and free gameplay, NMS is not meant to be realist, ED has a totaly different gameplay.
Those game can exist at the same time and because they are so different everyone will find one they like more than the other but also because you can play them at the same time. You can start your evening running realistic mining operation in SC and finish it by enjoing a fast COD game.

The CIG truck is stuck in a muddy road because everything they do, a hode of success story haters try to make it look bad.
I don't even talk here about one guy that is used to do that, I am talking about the same people that made the new COD trailer one of the most disliked youtube video of all time, even if the general opinion about this new COD is that it look good.
They also got a so bad reputation because of those people that called SC a vaporware (and that are proved wrong by the fact that alpha 2.3/2.4 exist) that they have some kind of inertia that will need some really big thruster to compensate.
One of those truster could be SQ42.

The thing is people keep comparing what SC is planned to be with other things that are - or are planned to be.

This the vast scope that always gets quoted about SQ42/SC is just plans - if they get all those plans successfully implemented then we can make real comparisons - but at this point we can't.