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1.6 vs 2.1 - Elite : Inverse-Paywall?
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Digested and disposed of, post haste.
FD need to keep the game balanced for all players, allowing some variations of the expansion to flow into the earlier versions, an example in an earlier post in this thread:
Players with Horizons can get engineer mods eventually, why cant non Horizon players salvage mods from wrecks and use those on their own ships.
You can not "force" people to buy anything, that sort of attitude from Frontier would drive players away.
Quit with the "force" this is not Star Wars
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No need to apologise, I wanted to get a strong reaction and you delivered
On the point of reasonable pricing: Maybe that's the money they need to ensure enough income for continuous deleopment. Also take a look at other games like CoD, AC or FIFA. If you want to play the newest version of those games you'll need to pay full price every year and you don't even get updates for your out-of-date version of the game. Lastly there will be a major sale every year, so if you think full price is too much you can get the expansion for 10 bucks.
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FD need to keep the game balanced for all players, allowing some variations of the expansion to flow into the earlier versions, an example in an earlier post in this thread:
Players with Horizons can get engineer mods eventually, why cant non Horizon players salvage mods from wrecks and use those on their own ships.
You can not "force" people to buy anything, that sort of attitude from Frontier would drive players away.
Quit with the "force" this is not Star Wars
So, say in five years time when you are still on the basic release, you want to be on the same level and access to a person who has bought all the continuing expansions. What you are suggesting is beyond parody, I think it's best if you spare yourself the grief and forget about the game if you believe that to be a viable prospect.
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I did not say that I would expect to be "on the same level and access to a person who has bought all the continuing expansions" had I still got the basic release.
FD are basically doing this already with the Avatars on the Mission Lists, Outfitting, Bookmarks, etc, and i think I made a reasonable suggestion so [wacky] to you.
I did not say that I would expect to be "on the same level and access to a person who has bought all the continuing expansions" had I still got the basic release.
FD are basically doing this already with the Avatars on the Mission Lists, Outfitting, Bookmarks, etc, and i think I made a reasonable suggestion so [wacky] to you.
I think you suggestions are deluded but its FD that makes the running here and I think unless you pay you will remain where you are.
Edit- I and I`d say a lot of people who paid for 2.x will support FD on that.
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Any expansion needs to have a compulsive reason to buy it otherwise why would any one buy it? Landing on airless moons and Engineers are two very real reasons to buy. The fact that high level npc's could have the engineers addons adds an extra challenge. Playing open with 1.6 there is a very real possibility that players will have engineered ships. As with all things you have to do the cost benefit analysis. If you don't pay there is a cost because your gameplay is negatively impacted.
Seems obvious by now they have not been able to chase down all these NPC thieves wielding these mods, and by now they are probably developing their own engineers from reverse eng tech!!
So, i say toss the whole vow poverty- say no to pay to power' nonsense into the nearby trash and open the doors wide and high to these eng mods so we all can hunt these NPCs down and either bring them to justice or send them to another dimension and let the aliens deal with them.
How? Open your wallets wide and offer every protection and carnage making mod available on the FD store and let these devs get back to develping new stuff. These NPC thieves have caused enough chaos id say.
So, i say toss the whole vow poverty- say no to pay to power' nonsense into the nearby trash and open the doors wide and high to these eng mods so we all can hunt these NPCs down and either bring them to justice or send them to another dimension and let the aliens deal with them.
How? Open your wallets wide and offer every protection and carnage making mod available on the FD store and let these devs get back to develping new stuff. These NPC thieves have caused enough chaos id say.
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And how would you feel if to run the next upgrade meant you had to buy a whole new computer and operating system? Moving to Horizons may have cost you less than £50 but it will cost me the price of either a new PC capable of handling the game (£500-1000) or the cost of a windows operating system which must be around £100 and trying to figure out bootcamp.
Don't know, maybe ask Apple or yourself. You are the one that bought a machine that offers 0 support for gaming by design.
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Right, because I got my pc in a lucky bag, what kind of argument is this, so you are not responsible for your own decisions. You wanted a Mac you got a Mac, live with it, by the way I have the LEP and you can get Win 10 for 30 euro or less if you look online.
Edit- Is it a full moon or what tonight!!
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Look man I've seen pay to win and buying horizons (60 bucks) isn't pay to win.
Pay to win is more akin to archeage where it's legitimately impossible to do a single thing endgame wise unless you have job points which refresh at a rate of like 5 per hour for non paying customers and substantially higher for payers.
Archeage who requires you to own land to get anywhere in the game *by the way you have to pay for land monthly by purchasing in game store items as a land tax system*. The gear for pvp and pve is so insanely difficult to craft that even if you did manage to get the materials together it would take you well over two dozen crafts to get the type of item you wanted, not to mention and *here's the real pay to win part* you have to purchase an item from their store to upgrade your gear piece that has the potential to completely break the item and who's success rate is in the low 30% range. but if you don't have the better gear your entire team will get wrecked by a single guy who has it. Yeah elite isn't pay to win grindy as all but not pay to win.
Pay to win is more akin to archeage where it's legitimately impossible to do a single thing endgame wise unless you have job points which refresh at a rate of like 5 per hour for non paying customers and substantially higher for payers.
Archeage who requires you to own land to get anywhere in the game *by the way you have to pay for land monthly by purchasing in game store items as a land tax system*. The gear for pvp and pve is so insanely difficult to craft that even if you did manage to get the materials together it would take you well over two dozen crafts to get the type of item you wanted, not to mention and *here's the real pay to win part* you have to purchase an item from their store to upgrade your gear piece that has the potential to completely break the item and who's success rate is in the low 30% range. but if you don't have the better gear your entire team will get wrecked by a single guy who has it. Yeah elite isn't pay to win grindy as all but not pay to win.
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No it is International missing the point day.
The point was that for some of us the reason we haven't bought the upgrade isn't that we don't want to pay for it so feel that somebody else should do something to make it "fair" for us, but that for other historical reasons we can't even run the upgrade without extra investment beyond the cost of the upgrade.
The point wasn't how you would feel if you were in the situation my choices (as bad as they usually are) have put me in now, but how would you feel if the boot was on the other foot and you had to pay several times the price of the next upgrade to run it and the people who had more fortunate historical choices were telling you that the solution to your problems was just to buy the upgrade.
The point was that for some of us the reason we haven't bought the upgrade isn't that we don't want to pay for it so feel that somebody else should do something to make it "fair" for us, but that for other historical reasons we can't even run the upgrade without extra investment beyond the cost of the upgrade.
The point wasn't how you would feel if you were in the situation my choices (as bad as they usually are) have put me in now, but how would you feel if the boot was on the other foot and you had to pay several times the price of the next upgrade to run it and the people who had more fortunate historical choices were telling you that the solution to your problems was just to buy the upgrade.
I'd be peeved with Apple and taking up my concerns with them as they are the problem here if they are preventing you from upgrading to 2.x, also you should have made an informed decision and knew that Mac`s are crap for gaming, but we live and learn
I should add there's also a 4th option that I didn't mention in my original post -
4 - restrict encounters with NPCs using Engineer modded gear to planets & moons only.
1.6 players do not have planetary access, so therefore cannot get into encounters with NPCs on or near a planet's surface.
Plus, that would also have the added bonus of reducing the amount of Engineer mods in the galaxy without removing them from NPCs entirely, which goes some way towards restoring the Engineers' position in Elite lore as the rare & special mavericks they're supposed to be. Making their mods common across NPCs is actually cheapening the Engineers themselves, and that's not cool. The services they offer should be to only a select few, not to every NPC in the bubble.
@Saxual - you're absolutely right, Elite isn't remotely P2W when compared to titles like Archeage. We as players know that to be true. But alas the media don't see things that way. What matters to such journalists is the next headline, and how easy it is to turn something mildly controversial into solid gold click bait.
The real point here is not what's actually going on, but what spin can be put on it by people who just want to get a rise out of their readership. And any steps Frontier can take to reduce the amount of spin would help the game in the long run. Leaving a combat discrepancy between 1.6 and 2.1 (however small it may be in practical terms) is just gifting ammunition to anyone in the media who wants to write a negative article about Elite Dangerous.
4 - restrict encounters with NPCs using Engineer modded gear to planets & moons only.
1.6 players do not have planetary access, so therefore cannot get into encounters with NPCs on or near a planet's surface.
Plus, that would also have the added bonus of reducing the amount of Engineer mods in the galaxy without removing them from NPCs entirely, which goes some way towards restoring the Engineers' position in Elite lore as the rare & special mavericks they're supposed to be. Making their mods common across NPCs is actually cheapening the Engineers themselves, and that's not cool. The services they offer should be to only a select few, not to every NPC in the bubble.
@Saxual - you're absolutely right, Elite isn't remotely P2W when compared to titles like Archeage. We as players know that to be true. But alas the media don't see things that way. What matters to such journalists is the next headline, and how easy it is to turn something mildly controversial into solid gold click bait.
The real point here is not what's actually going on, but what spin can be put on it by people who just want to get a rise out of their readership. And any steps Frontier can take to reduce the amount of spin would help the game in the long run. Leaving a combat discrepancy between 1.6 and 2.1 (however small it may be in practical terms) is just gifting ammunition to anyone in the media who wants to write a negative article about Elite Dangerous.
It's maybe not so different - I have no engineer weapons and I'm slowly saving for a pascal-powered VR-capable machine, and if I had any self-control I wouldn't play Elite at all until midway through Season 3, over a year from now, which is when I expect to be able to get that new machine, because by then most of the game would be completely new to me AND IN VR and I would be dying to play it instead of jaded by hundreds of hours of play time and taking it all for granted
My own approach might not suit your situation, but I think it's worth knowing that there is also a lot to be gained by taking the option of not upgrading... until such a day that the upgrades have really accumulated into a new experience and your situation is different, then BAM - getting back into it and being totally blown away all over again
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