UAs, Barnacles & More Thread 6 - The Canonn

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Nice :) What made it threat 4?

I'm running BGS errands at the moment, but checking out the MBs of all factions to try and dig out another Religious assasination target; they apparently have the UAs spawn in them, want to verify this is a thing and check out what they've got to say. I've only seen this once, and i missed the timeframe :(


Nothing made it threat 4. Which scares me. I went there. And there was NOTHING there but that ship cargo and debre

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I've been following a vague hunch about the UA shell, and Merope. Merope is a B type star. If you filter galmap for B types only, you see that there's a lot of them in the Plaiedes, and also that there's a trail of them that leads toward california nebula. You have to fiddle around to follow it, sometime shifting up and down. It starts strong, leads past Taurus dark region and up, then arches over and drops, coming on strong again up to California nebula. The nearest one to the nebula is HIP 18390 (image below courtesy of Nicholas Powell)


https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148115723321868288/190968753683562497/Untitled_13.jpg

There are a bunch of B types just outside the nebula, close together, similarly to the Pleides cluster of them. Using HIP 18390 or one of the nearby B's as the centre, I'd like to see if there's a UA shell around it. I know already some commanders are looking for a shell around California nebula, my hunch is that if there is, it will be pointing to one of these B types. Any help scouring if you're in the area would be great.


Been out here most of the week scanning systems, I took California Sector DL-Y D25 as the approximate center of the nebula going out 200 ly ish up,down and N,E,S,W no UA found so far just Degraded Emissions with small data cache. Will keep looking.
 
Totally open to discussion. But your 'points' where pointless and based... well I have no idea what they were based on, certainly not what I wrote. But whatever, I'm here to talk about the game not have a pie throwing contest.

So why start with the personal comments, then?

To put it into more expansive terms, a century and a half isn't very much in terms of galactic civilisations, and a mere mayfly-flicker of time for a Bracewell probe.

If whatever it is responsible wishes to observe or gather data, is it a specific defensive surveillance - which rather points to something 'local' looking after its own back garden - or is it part of a potential Bracewell envelope surrounding the Bubble, waiting for us to 'get gud' enough to activate them, and trigger a warning/harvest [!] (in which case, have we missed UAs surrounding us a similar distance out elsewhere)?
 
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they transmit our system names in a human code (Morse) to our ships in deep space, they scan our ships in such a way that our ships recognise and alert us to the fact we are being scanned and they transmit an image, again in Morse, to us, of our own ship, after the scan: this is the kind of behaviour a human might program a probe to do when encountering an unknown vessel of an alien civilisation. Their positioning in a shell and their automatic scanning of passing ships suggests to me that whoever put them there either wants to known what is heading in towards the Pleiades (possibly Merope in particular), as an early warning system, or what is coming out of the Pleiades, as a form of monitoring or intelligence-gathering.

I have a few notes that are not referenced in the first page:

- I assume every ship close to the UA receives a unique signal in morse with the location + its shape diagram, ++ even if there is more than one ship around the UA ++
- with human technology we only get the 'ship scan detected' message when someone is scanning our cargo. To me it means it is looking for something in our cargo or checking what is it, but this seems to be never transmitted back.
 
I find this interesting even though it doesn't make sense.

The UAs are being found free floating in space in a shell around Merope, 135 to 150 light years away.

Well 135 to 150 years ago would be 3167 to 3152. That's the time frame of the original game, with the second beginning in 3200 and the Thargoids mysteriously disappearing.

But as I said this doesn't really make sense. The UAs have shown no ability for propulsion or navigation, aside from being able to rotate towards Merope. If we were to accept that they were launched by something 135 to 150 years ago, they would have to be moving at the speed of light to be found where we are finding them today, assuming no loss of speed from passing near celestial bodies. I'm not sure this makes sense in terms of game mechanics. Spotting a signal coming from an object moving at the speed of light and then dropping out of supercruise on it would in theory match your ships velocity with the object. But I don't think the game works that way. It would be very interesting if you dropped out onto a free floating UA, stopped your ship, and then targeted a nearby celestial body and discovered both you and the UA are actually moving.

Anyway, I found the distance from Merope the UAs are being found interesting. Do we know anything of the history of Merope?

They were initially found much closer to Merope, within about 50 Ly. The shell appeared later. That implies that the UAs have moved or been moved faster then light.

I'd argue that the ability to point towards Merope demonstrates both propulsion and navigation.
 
Could you enlighten me My lord? I do not know what those words mean :p

The gamers' equivalent of the anthropic principle, which says that the universe is the way it is precisely because it must allow humans to exist within and observe it.

For us, within Elite Dangerous, we have to accept that things are the way they are precisely because it's a game universe in which we play - so I'm suggesting that we call it the Agonothropic principle.

But I'm probably overthinking it and assignig too much meaning to it; and likely in danger of disappearing up my own rear end and coming out the other side :)
 
And now Plot twist! We the Humans are the bad guys in Elite :eek: And the (lets say INRA) is using reverse engineered thargoid tech to find them so they can wipe them out once an for all an that they are using us to find them. And once we find them somewhere the (lets say the Federation) sends a Capital ship into the region where we found them to "investigate" and then this ship gets destroyed but this time we will get surprisingly clear evidence that the thargoids did it so that the Federation has an excuse to start a war with the thargoids but maybe this time the Thargoids are prepared... -This theory is brought to you by Tinfoil Inc.-
 
So my theory is they aren't pointing to they are pointing away.

I think the UA's are barnacle seeds.

They do look a bit like the barnacles maybe UA's are stage one, barnacles stage 2 but what is stage 3..
I predict a very large alien lifeform.

Maybe there is a way to open the barnacle shell?

Too many theories.


Little help FDev pleased.
 
Which translated means anything or everything we thought we knew now may or may not be canon at the whim of FDev.
Fair enough, it's their game.
Not feeling the love here though...

That's not a new position. Michael said a long time ago (probably more than once) that the lore we knew from previous games was suspect as it is mostly reported by media outlets in game and those are not reliable, just as Galnet is not necessarily reliable now.
 
If UA are barnacle seeds. They are left to be found and carried off (like seeds to birds). The ships carrying them deteriorate and a percentage are expected to crash. If they crash on a suitable planet, barnacles grow from the seed.

Imagine the Pleiades as a massive dandelion. It's gone to seed and created this UA shell. Humans are used to pollinate.
California was an older plant that has already polenated and created the Pleiades plant.

This is why crashed ships often mark barnacle locations.

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.....thinking like a hive mind?
 
If UA are barnacle seeds. They are left to be found and carried off (like seeds to birds). The ships carrying them deteriorate and a percentage are expected to crash. If they crash on a suitable planet, barnacles grow from the seed.

Imagine the Pleiades as a massive dandelion. It's gone to seed and created this UA shell. Humans are used to pollinate.
California was an older plant that has already polenated and created the Pleiades plant.

This is why crashed ships often mark barnacle locations.

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.....thinking like a hive mind?

Many have thought this already.. Seems to add up but we would need more evidence.
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MB had already said that the nebulae they are found in are a clue to their source so we might need to work that out.
 
So my theory is they aren't pointing to they are pointing away.

I think the UA's are barnacle seeds.

They do look a bit like the barnacles maybe UA's are stage one, barnacles stage 2 but what is stage 3..
I predict a very large alien lifeform.

Maybe there is a way to open the barnacle shell?

Too many theories.


Little help FDev pleased.

Not seeds imho. they're not that closely related. why would the fruit of the plant (meta alloy) satiate the seed (UA)?
 
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