General / Off-Topic EU Referendum (UK only) - to Brexit or not to Brexit

[Minonian]

Thanks to the pound it's now the third largest.

The negotiations to join EFTA would still take a decade. Especially when EU memberstates try to block it.

Of course the EU will continue to trade with Britain. But they can do that while you're not in EFTA or the common market. After all you need the products from the EU more than they need yours.

For some people even the today       slap not enough.

 

[ianw]

Here's another random viewpoint I just came across - no idea who he is but he's got a funky collar and he looks pretty serious!

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...it-britain-disintegrating-eu-yanis-varoufakis

 

[Necronaught]

Yeah. Wider... Let's see how wide it will became after the EU market closes down, and so as it's contact system? Without its a lot harder to gain leverage.

I really interested at it, Wanna bet?
I don't think so.

Oh noes and the rapture might happen when Jesus cracks open the skies. *sigh*

 

[Becks]

Here's another random viewpoint I just came across - no idea who he is but he's got a funky collar and he looks pretty serious!

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...it-britain-disintegrating-eu-yanis-varoufakis

Yanis Varoufakis is the greek financial minister who ... stepped down, I don't remember it anymore ...

 

[Lowievisser]

I'm excited for the future. Instead of being shackled to the Euro club and limited within a sphere of influence, the scope for trade has just gotten wider. Let's see these bargains from South America come flooding over. Time to get investing. The potential to reap fortunes are on the horizon.

Ofr course there will be losers, namely the businesses that were making profits to the detriment of the tax payer. We now have total control of our decisions/ lawmaking, our borders and trade. This is a grand day indeed!

Yep , EU holds strong countries back with their ridiculous laws & taxes , ideas and other stupid money drains , that's a fact. Brussels <> Straatsburg anyone?

 

[rootsrat]

<mod hat off>

<immigrant hat on>

The amount of jibe I see in this thread is absolutely ridiculous. The referendum, apart from splitting UK from EU, has achieved one more thing - it's also split the people and made them hostile towards each other. Everyone with this attitude should be ashamed of themselves.

One thing I personally regret about this referendum is that I didn't have a say in it even though I've been living in the UK for nearly 15 years now and it feels more home than my own country... and a lot of other people living abroad and probably not caring that much voted based on the memories of the past and faded glory of the Great British Empire.

Stop the hatred and having a go at each other plase and instead:

 

[Lowievisser]

Yanis Varoufakis is the greek financial minister who ... stepped down, I don't remember it anymore ...

The money slurping motorcycle gangster. can i have my tax money back?

 

[Sooden]

I wish I knew more about the markets (currently). I wonder if the EU has cashed in is stock and shares in the UK (along with the U.S.) and now want to shut the EU door as fast as it can?

The UK is in shock now, and leaving the EU as this point is not in the UKs interests. in fact, its the strongest tool the UK has for recover and preparations. Holding the EU to ransom, for a filing day, waiting for all markets to level out and reducing the effect on the UK. (anyone in the position of the UK would probably do the same)

Sure, this is an assy thing to do to the EU, but they haven't played fair either... and looks like they wanted to just cut and run.

if the UK can keep the door open for a good 5 years (remember, the action of filing to leave is solely with the government, they can pick when, or not to at all- that would lead to civil unrest in the uk), set up pre trade negotiations with outside EU people, while the EU stays uncertain and keeps markets at a level the UK can deal with... Well, UK can come out of this doing quite well in 5-10 years

just a guess

 

[Minonian]

Oh noes and the rapture might happen when Jesus cracks open the skies. *sigh*

Just as i said. Some people learns from nothing.

BTW? Brace for the second wave of crap storm, because you haven't seen the worst.

YET!

 

[iroker]

Here's another random viewpoint I just came across - no idea who he is but he's got a funky collar and he looks pretty serious!

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...it-britain-disintegrating-eu-yanis-varoufakis

I agree with Yanis

 

[Arconedas]

Thanks to the pound it's now the third largest.

The negotiations to join EFTA would still take a decade. Especially when EU memberstates try to block it.

Of course the EU will continue to trade with Britain. But they can do that while you're not in EFTA or the common market. After all you need the products from the EU more than they need yours.

Ahem, i'm not British . The point is that EU is greedy and selfish (what country isnt), thats why EU simply cannot afford to restrict trade with Britain very much. Just a little maybe, so that it looks like there are some repercussions for leaving EU, they do want to stop rest of the countries from leaving EU too. Money always finds the way [money]

 

[Minonian]

if the UK can keep the door open for a good 5 years (remember, the action of filing to leave is solely with the government, they can pick when, or not to at all- that would lead to civil unrest in the uk), set up pre trade negotiations with outside EU people, while the EU stays uncertain and keeps markets at a level the UK can deal with... Well, UK can come out of this doing quite well in 5-10 years

The thing is, you just have months because right now, UK sitting in a top of a ticking bomb. The sooner decision begin birth, and executed is the better of everyone. because one thing is sure the markets don't like uncertainty.
And Scotland not thinking about quitting for nothing. they maybe cant became the member the EU but for that, they still voted to remain because for the EU without it, they will going to say, better off alone.

 

[Arry]

Yeah. I find that incredibly odd, I've heard a few people say likewise - that Cameron is to 'blame' for this. Surely credit/blame has to go to the voters, whose choice it was to leave the EU (and/or those who would vote to leave the UK). Or for those who campaigned to Leave. Blaming one of the leaders who tried to stop it is bizarre.

He felt that he had to offer a referendum, because before the last election Tory ministers were defecting to UKIP. So to shut them up, he said he would have a referendum. He should have just let them defect and replace them. He didn't, because, he doesn't think about the long term consequences of his actions; just the quick fix.

The people, don't believe the politicians or big business and so took no notice of the warnings. Such is life.

 

[EdzUp]

The only reason Cameron resigned in my eyes is that he no longer can use the EU as a excuse for failed leadership. Now we can get a leader that can lead a independent country and not be a mouthpiece of another country.

 

[Becks]

Ahem, i'm not British . The point is that EU is greedy and selfish (what country isnt), thats why EU simply cannot afford to restrict trade with Britain very much. Just a little maybe, so that it looks like there are some repercussions for leaving EU, they do want to stop rest of the countries from leaving EU too. Money always finds the way [money]

Sry, my bad.

So the EU might be greedy and selfish in that case? And? They'd face much harder political consequences if they'd give the UK a good trade deal.

Which is why they want to kick them out, btw. Because they want to minimize the amount of profit for the UK. And why shouldn't they? UK voted out, they took their word.

Did the UK really expect that the EU would let them sit out the economic consequences? Then they're pretty naive

 

[Minonian]

EU simply cannot afford to restrict trade with Britain very much. Just a little maybe, so that it looks like there are some repercussions for leaving EU, they do want to stop rest of the countries from leaving EU too. Money always finds the way [money]

You know, not everything about money. And when UK quit thats not going to be about business but about to state an example to everyone who wants to quit. Plus they are going to be angry and disappointed. No business, and no easy negotiations for the UK.

Be sure of that.

 

[Zelos1983]

I agree with Yanis

I don't. People are not xenophobic. In contrast to the 1930ies, they cooperate with each other and the whole world. No way they would give up all this, from tourism to culture over working together in business and academia just out of a sense of "revenge", because the population rejected a stupid political entity (the EU).

That's how the politicians think, because they are stuck in ancient mindsets and love their petty bickering with each other. But when it threatens to get serious, the population would reign them in.

 

[Arconedas]

Sry, my bad.

So the EU might be greedy and selfish in that case? And? They'd face much harder political consequences if they'd give the UK a good trade deal.

Which is why they want to kick them out, btw. Because they want to minimize the amount of profit for the UK. And why shouldn't they? UK voted out, they took their word.

Did the UK really expect that the EU would let them sit out the economic consequences? Then they're pretty naive

Yes, there will be some economic consequences. But on the long term not so much. Its ALWAYS about the money first, they will make it look like its something tough and boast in their countries 'look how tough these new deals are with Britain'. While silently behind the scenes they will make sure that its business as usual, in the long term [money]

 

[Minonian]

Yes, there will be some economic consequences.

Some? Just the today hit is going to take a decade to recover. And its Very far from over. There will be no such thing as long term. if you don't think in more than in half century. Can you wait this much?

 

[Sooden]

The thing is, you just have months because right now, UK sitting in a top of a ticking bomb. The sooner decision begin birth, and executed is the better of everyone. because one thing is sure the markets don't like uncertainty.
And Scotland not thinking about quitting for nothing. they maybe cant became the member the EU but for that, they still voted to remain because for the EU without it, they will going to say, better off alone.

the UK leaving the EU sooner rather than later would not be good for the UK because of uncertainty.

If we leave fast, the Eu settles down, and the UK stays uncertain. This means the Eu recovers and grows and the Uk bounces and falls against the EU, and all the horror stories come true.

Untill the UK has made some trade deals in concept, for when its out of the EU, leave it is not wise.

yes its a bit like the UK saying... if we'er going down, your coming down with us. Its the only bargaining tool we have at this point