General / Off-Topic EU Referendum (UK only) - to Brexit or not to Brexit

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain

    Votes: 155 50.2%
  • Leave

    Votes: 154 49.8%

  • Total voters
    309
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Maybe you guys should deal with Merkel first, that woman has not done anything good for Germany nor the EU as a whole.

Nothing good for Germany?!? I dont think Germany has ever been as prosperous as it is now. Economy of Germany is by far the strongest in Europe. Now, i dont know how much of this caused by Angela Merkel, but atleast she hasnt done anything too stupid to prevent that. As for EU, thats more of an double edged sword... on the other hand its good that Germany is doing well, but for the rest of Euro member countries it propably isnt such a good thing...
 
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we can play the game of videos, hip media videos Vs in depth analysis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf3vW0e_Wgc

added: yes i had seen the video you linked a while ago, and then took the time to research the facts. don't let the media make you look silly :)

Watched the first five minutes and stopped at "John Oliver lives in the liberal-remote biosphere and he doesn't have anybody telling him what's going on outside."

Of course John Oliver exxagerates and of course he's biased. He's an comedian and his job is to entertain. But that doesn't make the problems he shows up any less real.

Fact is that Donald Trump is incredible thin skinned, changes his opinion more often than his underwear, makes racist and sexist comments about people opposing him, that he suggested commiting war crimes in live television and conducts an incredible populistic campaign with arguments like building a border wall to Mexico and make them pay for it. He even claims his net worth fluctuates depending on his mood.

Do I really need to tell you that it's a bad idea to give this man the launch codes to the nuclear weapons of the US?

Last but not least, I neither like Clinton nor Trump. I don't even like Sanders. But Trump is, imo, the worse option of them.

Now that was off topic, so back to the topic. Has Trump built a 10 foot high berm of earth to      someone off? I don't know if that was his intention in that case. But I trust that he would do it.

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Are you seriously using John Oliver; A comedian as a potable source of information?

No, but he makes a point about Trump.

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Maybe you guys should deal with Merkel first, that woman has not done anything good for Germany nor the EU as a whole.

I think we can judge that for ourselves :)

And I prefer Merkel over the AfD or the SPD.
 
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]Watched the first five minutes and stopped[/B] at "John Oliver lives in the liberal-remote biosphere and he doesn't have anybody telling him what's going on outside."
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think that says it all about your views :)

you gotta get though all the information to get the truth and even work though the bits you don't like or don't agree with. Switching off as soon as you hear one thing that upsets you devalues your view point.

now that is sad, thought you had more depth to your views
 
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think that says it all about your views :)

you gotta get though all the information to get the truth and even work though the bits you don't like or don't agree with. Switching off as soon as you hear one thing that upsets you devalues your wiew point.

now that is sad, though you had more depth to your views

I can get my own informations and I don't need a republican video for it. :)

I could watch that all day, it would not change my opinion about Trump.

The thing which bothers me the most with those "You live in your liberal-remote biosphere and don't know what's going on" is that it's far too often used by people who have literally no idea what they're talking about.

The second most bothering (?) thing is: He 'analyses' every single sentence of a twenty minute video. Even if I wanted, I wouldn't have the time to watch it. I don't need to hear his opinion on every single sentence. Show the claims which are wrong in your opinion and show the evidence for it.

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think that says it all about your views :)

you gotta get though all the information to get the truth and even work though the bits you don't like or don't agree with. Switching off as soon as you hear one thing that upsets you devalues your view point.

now that is sad, thought you had more depth to your views

This. People who are willfully ignorant of the information between their safe spaces are whats wrong with the world. Political Correctness is just another code word for "Lies"
 
I can get my own informations and I don't need a republican video for it. :)

I could watch that all day, it would not change my opinion about Trump.

The thing which bothers me the most with those "You live in your liberal-remote biosphere and don't know what's going on" is that it's far too often used by people who have literally no idea what they're talking about.

The second most bothering (?) thing is: He 'analyses' every single sentence of a twenty minute video. Even if I wanted, I wouldn't have the time to watch it. I don't need to hear his opinion on every single sentence. Show the claims which are wrong in your opinion and show the evidence for it.

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he analyses every statement to create context before commenting on it. Sorry its not quick and snappy, the truth isn't. This is what people talking untruth rely on, the unwillingness of people to research and the willingness to be hip and short the short flashy messages.

I relay suggest you do force your self to watch it all, from start to finish, there is also a second video ... yeah that a lot of watching. Its never a good feeling when your wrong (i know that feeling, has happened to me, happens to everyone) but don't try to defend a mistake (your video as any sort of information on trump 'But that doesn't make the problems he shows up any less real')

republican,maybe ,maybe not, what are the parties in Australia? hes not from the U.S.

and you say 'I can get my own informations and I don't need a republican video for it. :)'. yup, you sure can, and what a great job your doing [haha]
 
Will Schottland and Ireland leave the UK? Possibly, will it be bad for the UK, well not really it all depends. Will Gibraltar leave the UK, no way. Will Spain take it back by force? no way.
So stop fear mongering, no one here know what will happen.

Lol.
UK wont Exist anymore of Scottland and North Ireland Leave.
You will be Wales and England again.
And Wales while not going to Apply for EU. Might Leave you as well then. Meaning you would be down to England.
Needless to say that the one thing where you get Money outside the EU is the Oil in Scottland.

Spain does not need it by Force.
People in Gibraltar are Pro EU. They wanted to stay in UK back then because they had no Disadvantage from it. They had the Strong British Economy and could still just move over to their Families in Spain.
But now with Borders back on. This has Changed Dramatically. Gibraltar wants to have the Open Borders which they will lose as Part of the UK.
Which could Dramatically Change how the Vote in another Referendum.


Also.
Dont Underestimate the Power of the People.
It was this Power which Forced Cameron into an Referendum.
Do you really think if 60-70% of Scottland Demand Independence that UK would be able to Deny them a Referendum ? :)
Want to use Military and put up Civil War if they want to go ? :)


Scotland had a referendum. There won't be another for at least a generation or longer.


Germany Warns Of Brexit Domino Effect

The corporatist EU Tower of Babel is falling apart. :D :p

And how you going to Prevent it ?
If you dont give them one. You will end up with Fascist Parties and Possibly Terrorism or even a Civil War. :)
Scottland has Insane Amounts of Supporters thanks to UK leaving the EU.
Remember. 48% are Up in Arms.

Heck London is so Up in Arms that they have Signed a Petition to Declare Independence in London.
And they got the Numbers Required for it within 24 Hours. Which means that the Lower House IS FORCED to Debate it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...lion-sign-petition-demanding-referendum-reru/

As for the EU.
It will Fall Apart unless it Crushes UK and thus Proves to the World that Leaving the EU is the worst you can do.
And given the Power Difference between EU and UK its pretty Obvious that they will Crush the UK without Fail.
 
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Will Gibraltar leave the UK, no way. Will Spain take it back by force? no way.

If Spain has smart leaders, what they will do is offer Gibraltar a high level of autonomy and the chance to remain in the EU as a part of Spain. The arrangement Ooland has with Finland comes to mind. It's the Finnish nature preserve for rich (and possibly a bit inbred) Swedes.
 
Lol.
UK wont Exist anymore of Scottland and North Ireland Leave.
You will be Wales and England again.
And Wales while not going to Apply for EU. Might Leave you as well then. Meaning you would be down to England.
Needless to say that the one thing where you get Money outside the EU is the Oil in Scottland.

Spain does not need it by Force.
People in Gibraltar are Pro EU. They wanted to stay in UK back then because they had no Disadvantage from it. They had the Strong British Economy and could still just move over to their Families in Spain.
But now with Borders back on. This has Changed Dramatically. Gibraltar wants to have the Open Borders which they will lose as Part of the UK.
Which could Dramatically Change how the Vote in another Referendum.


Also.
Dont Underestimate the Power of the People.
It was this Power which Forced Cameron into an Referendum.
Do you really think if 60-70% of Scottland Demand Independence that UK would be able to Deny them a Referendum ? :)
Want to use Military and put up Civil War if they want to go ? :)




And how you going to Prevent it ?
If you dont give them one. You will end up with Fascist Parties and Possibly Terrorism or even a Civil War. :)
Scottland has Insane Amounts of Supporters thanks to UK leaving the EU.
Remember. 48% are Up in Arms.

Heck London is so Up in Arms that they have Signed a Petition to Declare Independence in London.
And they got the Numbers Required for it within 24 Hours. Which means that the Lower House IS FORCED to Debate it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...lion-sign-petition-demanding-referendum-reru/

As for the EU.
It will Fall Apart unless it Crushes UK and thus Proves to the World that Leaving the EU is the worst you can do.
And given the Power Difference between EU and UK its pretty Obvious that they will Crush the UK without Fail.

It is in the EU's interest now to either:

1. Get Britain back into the EU by any means necessary

2. If Britain beats the coming means of making their democratic vote look bad, Beat Britain to a pulp in any way possible to scare other countries into following suit.
 
think that says it all about your views :)

It's kind of the opposite. This reminds me of the Conservapedia and other such projects formed because "reality has a liberal bias". Trying to explain Trump as a good guy requires some serious mental gymnastics.
 
If the EU organization would have been actually an non-transparent and democratic and accountable thing, then I guess the vote would probably have gone to remain. The root cause for leave is the way the EU has formed and the direction it was taking.
 
It is in the EU's interest now to either:

1. Get Britain back into the EU by any means necessary

2. If Britain beats the coming means of making their democratic vote look bad, Beat Britain to a pulp in any way possible to scare other countries into following suit.

Exactly.
And given the EUs Response which is to Pressure for an Fast as Possible Leave of UK. Its likely going to be Second.

Albeit Movements of London, North Ireland and Scottland which are Trying to Force a New Referendum or even Declare Independence of their Region. Might also Result in the UK managing to Get the 1. Option done without the EU Acting at all.
 
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