UAs, Barnacles & other mysteries Thread 7 - The Canonn

[CMDR Corlas]

I think we need to be extremely careful about trying to forge any links to Greek mythology. Western civilization has named a lot of celestial objects after Greek mythology. Often times this was intentionally done so that the celestial objects could be used to tell a story. The links between celestial objects and Greek mythology are the links that humans creatively ascribed to them thousands of years ago. The fact that we can go to a place intentionally named to make people recall a make-believe story doesn't mean the story automatically has truth to it.

Orion chasing the Pleiades isn't "interesting" and a sign that we should go investigate Orion any more than going to Disneyland and seeing Donald Duck means that Mickey Mouse is real we all have to go save Fantasia.

 

[crushdepth]

Starting at Merope 5, flew 500,000 LS out normal to the plane of the ecliptic to see if anything turned up. The odd USS (all degraded wreck sites), that's it. Found the biggest wreckage field I've ever come across but nothing unusual in it (black box, wreckage components).

Got bored, started flying back to Ceos

 

[Iridium Nova]

the connections to any earth centric myths do make sense if we're the ones placing things and manipulating them. and since every "alien" discovery related to UA's, barnacles, and UP's have been directly related to either being in or being next to human vessels, this is a strong possibility.

Not to mention the fact that the UA's have been using morse code to describe things.

I think we need to be extremely careful about trying to forge any links to Greek mythology. Western civilization has named a lot of celestial objects after Greek mythology. Often times this was intentionally done so that the celestial objects could be used to tell a story. The links between celestial objects and Greek mythology are the links that humans creatively ascribed to them thousands of years ago. The fact that we can go to a place intentionally named to make people recall a make-believe story doesn't mean the story automatically has truth to it.

Orion chasing the Pleiades isn't "interesting" and a sign that we should go investigate Orion any more than going to Disneyland and seeing Donald Duck means that Mickey Mouse is real we all have to go save Fantasia.

On the other hand, if the UA's and Barnacles are not actually alien but rather the work of some mysterious human organization, we might be about to stumble upon a Stargate to Fantasia.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

But why would that now have any relevance to events going on today (X thousand years later)?

"Because we are from the place the Humans call Orion, and you are from the place they call the Pleiades, and we told them a load of stuff thousands of years ago when we crashed there, and from that they made these myths... we are now going to declare war on you and... chase you across the sky from their point of view... so we can be... eh... in keeping with their thousands of years old... myths..."

EDIT: or if you are saying 'it's that same war now as it was then', well then we have nothing to worry about as they are apparently not very good at war.

Are the British still at war with France? In their heads, they are. There is a latent distrust on both sides. It's called genetic memory. It may not be the same war, but it will always be the same reasons, even if those reasons are not conscious... And as for being no good??? No-one wants to be guilty of genocide.

Oh, quick... someone slap me with a wet fish. I'm getting all ***** again...

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Not to mention the fact that the UA's have been using morse code to describe things.



On the other hand, if the UA's and Barnacles are not actually alien but rather the work of some mysterious human organization, we might be about to stumble upon a Stargate to Fantasia.

No - I've already seen that one... (when I got a rank upgrade to Broker.)

 

[Martin Afonso]

Not really. What you have to ask yourself is where did that mythology originate. Some myths came about as explanations for odd events. Maybe a [Species A] craft crashed to Earth. The inhabitant survives with the help of the locals, learns the language, and tells them of the stories of battles (points to the stars - "You see that star there... that's where we come from..." - "The gods came from the stars, and they returned there..." i.e. was rescued... using a 'xplorer type x and a [Species A] version of an SRV that was known colloquolly as a buggy) - hence the constellations...

Mind <= Blown

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eifelheim

 

[Belthize]

On the other hand, if the UA's and Barnacles are not actually alien but rather the work of some mysterious human organization, we might be about to stumble upon a Stargate to Fantasia.

Funny you should mention that. I've been meaning to start an "Out of the Darkness" thread similar to the "Reclamation" Rift thread. Not sure how many people have read it but I've been chasing it off on and on for a while (along with the other books). There are some very interesting parallels between the book, engineers, Thargoids and the recent UA/UP discovery. I'll leave one little tidbit here, fair warning it's very spoilier-ish, so don't click if you don't want some of the story ruined before you read it.

Spoiler

At the end of the book after they destroy the Thargoid enhanced base (which to me had barnacle/UA like characteristics) in Peregrina, they give chase to a single ship that survived the wreckage. That ship was, according to the book, headed directly away from human civilization. If you draw a line from the center of the bubble through Peregrina you end up in the Pleides. Peregrina in latin can be translated as 'alien'. It's quite plausible they're engineered. There are other issues in the book that map to other things. I've yet to find anything truly actionable though not from a lack of effort.

I'll likely start one this weekend or before. I think it's high time, I just keep getting distracted with playing the game.

 

[John Stoutbeard]

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[Ayal]

I have a new Theory that i shared with nick powell last night : The UA points to a Blue star and the material inside the UA is Glowing Blue , the Probe points to Merope 5C which is a Red and the material inside the Probes head is glowing Red . I don't think this is an accident guys there might be a reason behind the Colors of the UA and UP heads

 

[noreply]

I think we need to be extremely careful about trying to forge any links to Greek mythology. Western civilization has named a lot of celestial objects after Greek mythology. Often times this was intentionally done so that the celestial objects could be used to tell a story. The links between celestial objects and Greek mythology are the links that humans creatively ascribed to them thousands of years ago. The fact that we can go to a place intentionally named to make people recall a make-believe story doesn't mean the story automatically has truth to it.

Orion chasing the Pleiades isn't "interesting" and a sign that we should go investigate Orion any more than going to Disneyland and seeing Donald Duck means that Mickey Mouse is real we all have to go save Fantasia.

You are absolutely correct that we need to exercise extreme caution when drawing parallels to ancient mythology. But, with respect, I think your comparison is a little unfair.

Imagine for a moment that there are a group of settlers separated from the rest of humanity for maybe 1000 years - like you might have on a generation ship. There is no telling what information would've survived on that trip, how cultural values would change, what religions would arise or what science they would develop. This is an idea that both Drew Wagar and Chris Jarvis have explored in different pieces of fiction (Schism and Children of Zeus respectively).

With this in mind, it isn't too far fetched to imagine that the settlers might hold more importance to ancient mythology. The UA mystery makes me think of this Galnet article about the Soontill relics - the key part of which is this:

Jean Molyneaux, a historian from France, Earth, suggests we look back at our own past to determine the home of these relics. “Imagine an alien travelling back two thousand years into mankind’s past. The varied culture, arts and building materials of the Aztecs, Greeks, the Shang dynasty, what have you, the alien could think they were all different species, if that was his way of thinking…”

The UA's do have behaviour that makes me think they are human-derived (e.g. Morse), but they are unrecognisable from known human artifacts. Could it be that a parallel branch of humanity, with a more developed sense of the importance of ancient mythology, is playing out a cosmic tale with the UA's?

 

[piranha9]

PlanetMapper

Hey guys, i played around with Unity last night and got a basic first version of my PlanetMapper ready.
Not sure if it is really useful, but it is intendend to help seaching and cartographing planets.
It displays a sphere (planet) with a latitute/longitude grid and you can place markers on it (i already added the known barnacle locations and some of the searched areas; green are barnacles, red is searched area with nothing found, blue is searched and found something).

How to use:
- hold down rightmouse button to rotate around planet
- mousewheel for zoom
- lefthanded, there are some options for the lat/long grid
- righthanded is a list of markers which can be edited
- load, save, import, merge (intended to import your spreadsheet data) ain't working yet.

Its still pretty rough and a lot of stuff missing, but i would like to hear some feedback if putting more work into this would be helpful.

Stuff on the todo list:
- better editing
- get lat/long from mouseposition
- DetailPatches: Since i don't think we will get a decent texture map for the planet, i will add detail patches instead. With these, you can add small images (screenshotted from ED) of remarkable areas and position them on the planet. I hope this will make orientation a lot easier.

Here is the link to the webplayer (sorry if you have to wait a bit, my server is not the fastest..)
http://lagerhalle.myds.me/unity/PlanetMapper/PlanetMapper.html

So, have fun with it and tell me what you think!

Cheers,
Piranha

 

[Delta_Vee]

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Well we've broken that rule haven't we?

 

[JoshuaWillingham]

Seems to me like the UA is form 1 of barnacle UP is form two and barnacle is seeded structure. some others have jumped on this theory but a quick look at barnacles on wikipedia gives plenty of evidence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnacle#Life_cycle

 

[Saool]

I have a new Theory that i shared with nick powell last night : The UA points to a Blue star and the material inside the UA is Glowing Blue , the Probe points to Merope 5C which is a Red and the material inside the Probes head is glowing Red . I don't think this is an accident guys there might be a reason behind the Colors of the UA and UP heads

Ok, but why 'that' blue star and not any other? Why 'that' red planet and not any other. Even if the idea is correct, we are still left with the same scenario.

 

[TheDayman]

Hey guys, i played around with Unity last night and got a basic first version of my PlanetMapper ready.
Not sure if it is really useful, but it is intendend to help seaching and cartographing planets.
It displays a sphere (planet) with a latitute/longitude grid and you can place markers on it (i already added the known barnacle locations and some of the searched areas; green are barnacles, red is searched area with nothing found, blue is searched and found something).

How to use:
- hold down rightmouse button to rotate around planet
- mousewheel for zoom
- lefthanded, there are some options for the lat/long grid
- righthanded is a list of markers which can be edited
- load, save, import, merge (intended to import your spreadsheet data) ain't working yet.

Its still pretty rough and a lot of stuff missing, but i would like to hear some feedback if putting more work into this would be helpful.

Stuff on the todo list:
- better editing
- get lat/long from mouseposition
- DetailPatches: Since i don't think we will get a decent texture map for the planet, i will add detail patches instead. With these, you can add small images (screenshotted from ED) of remarkable areas and position them on the planet. I hope this will make orientation a lot easier.

Here is the link to the webplayer (sorry if you have to wait a bit, my server is not the fastest..)
http://lagerhalle.myds.me/unity/PlanetMapper/PlanetMapper.html

So, have fun with it and tell me what you think!

Cheers,
Piranha

Good stuff Piranha - + rep.

 

[Saool]

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Actually, isn't there supposed to be a monolith Easter egg somewhere in Barnard's Loop?

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Could it be that a parallel branch of humanity...

Not sure about the rest, but I do like the alternative offshoot of humanity idea as an additional possibility to aliens and AIs.

 

[Commandeur_Brin]

The UA's do have behaviour that makes me think they are human-derived (e.g. Morse), but they are unrecognisable from known human artifacts. Could it be that a parallel branch of humanity, with a more developed sense of the importance of ancient mythology, is playing out a cosmic tale with the UA's?

I agree. Morse code as we know it used in an alien artefact seems unlikely.

 

[ilo]

I agree. Morse code as we know it used in an alien artefact seems unlikely.

I think that part is a bit confusing. having an artefact that knows the names of all star systems and planets (it is part of the Morse code) is not entirely human considering we haven't barely visited all of them. how does the UA know their names?

it looks more like a "guidance" into something than an actual fact about being alien or not.. it speaks Morse - for unknown reasons - so it is related to humans "somehow".. (my opinion)

 

[irongut]

Yeah, I've found 2 of these on Merope 5C in the past couple of days. What I have noticed is that the audio seems different to the old "broken morse" that they used to give. I don't know whether this is just new audio for 2.1 in general, or specific to those on Merope 5C. I'm now off to find one ouside the Pleiades to see if it's still the old audio or the new one... will post again here as soon as I know.

Edit: for the record one is Fed, the other is Empire. However, in my experience, this is nothing unusual.

I've seen a few crashed nav beacons in the bubble recenly and their sound is not the 'BORKEN' morse it was before. It now sounds more like an SSTV signal to me.

 

[CMDR Corlas]

You are absolutely correct that we need to exercise extreme caution when drawing parallels to ancient mythology. But, with respect, I think your comparison is a little unfair.

Imagine for a moment that there are a group of settlers separated from the rest of humanity for maybe 1000 years - like you might have on a generation ship. There is no telling what information would've survived on that trip, how cultural values would change, what religions would arise or what science they would develop. This is an idea that both Drew Wagar and Chris Jarvis have explored in different pieces of fiction (Schism and Children of Zeus respectively).

With this in mind, it isn't too far fetched to imagine that the settlers might hold more importance to ancient mythology. The UA mystery makes me think of this Galnet article about the Soontill relics - the key part of which is this:

The UA's do have behaviour that makes me think they are human-derived (e.g. Morse), but they are unrecognisable from known human artifacts. Could it be that a parallel branch of humanity, with a more developed sense of the importance of ancient mythology, is playing out a cosmic tale with the UA's?

While I can't say you're technically wrong... Eh. My personal feeling is that the "space culture believes in ancient earth myths and recreates them" was stupid the first time Star Trek did it, and I'd really hate to see that play out here. I've also seen little to no indication that FD goes down that path. Allusions, yes. Recreations, no.

Old myths are interesting as a source of mystery and lore to us because they are old. Ultimately though, it's nothing more than an old story. It would be like speculating that in a couple of thousands years some culture might arise that bases itself on recreating plot elements and characters from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Yeah, it might happen. But that's also a stupid culture. And it doesn't mean anything at all when people studying that future culture realize that another, more ancient human civilization also believed in a Thor.

Human myths have links to other human myths because, fundamentally, that's what humans like. Seeing links makes us happy. It doesn't mean the link is significant. It means the storyteller put it there.

 

[MyklAtrum]

I have a new Theory that i shared with nick powell last night : The UA points to a Blue star and the material inside the UA is Glowing Blue , the Probe points to Merope 5C which is a Red and the material inside the Probes head is glowing Red . I don't think this is an accident guys there might be a reason behind the Colors of the UA and UP heads

Merope 5c is blue-grey. Not red.