Sure, but it also shows he is just as unprepared as the rest of the Leave camp's politicians.
General / Off-Topic The future of Politics here in the UK
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Sure, but it also shows he is just as unprepared as the rest of the Leave camp's politicians.
Quite - no-one was prepared including no. 10 - they all thought it wasn't going to happen.
The European Union will continue to work with the UK. Do not doubt. UK will decrease 5 points the corporate tax, to make the country more attractive (like Ireland)
Oh it will Continue to Work with the UK.
After all the UKs Position is really Weak after it leaves the EU.
So its going to Accept any Terms the EU offers it without Question to retain Access to the EUs Market.
Just that your Net Payments to the EU will be nearly Twice of what they are now. Because you dont get the Exceptions that the EU made for UK in the Past.
And you wont have a Veto or any Influence on the Regulations which are being made by the EU.
That is and stays the most likely Scenario because thats which would be the one Saving the Economy and Banks. And you know Economy and Banks are always being Saved *gg*
And 20 Times these Experts and Commentators, of political and economic everywhere around the World are seeing things different from these you mention there
In Geological Balance (Sorry to be Blunt) your not very Importand.
Obama has shown how Special you are to him. You.ll be handled like any Third Party State. Meaning compared to the EU your a Secondary Target and will be set into Waiting Line till EU Deals are Finished.
The European Continent by the way is pretty much 90% EU. So I dont think you should consider yourself an Ally of that.
To begin with in your Time outside the EU you most of the time lead Wars on the European Continent. You aint exactly liked by many people on this Continent. Especially not by those outside the EU.
Secret Service of UK is fairly Good as in that it hasnt stood out much in the past. Which is Positive for a Secret Service. But believe me. Despite all the Ruckus and all the Shocked Faces. You can assume all of the Countries in the EU got a Secret Service.
And I would take Bets even with all the Scandals etc. Their Dealing are far from being known.
Your Secret Service aint really Importand. Sorry.
And Mate. We got more Nuclear Bombs than are needed to Destroy the World. You think we will miss the British Ones ?
Or do you Suggest UK will start a Nuclear war with the EU ?
Heck even North Korea has Nuclear Bombs.....
Lol.
And there the next guy is leisurely leaving the Scene so he doesnt need to deal with the Catastrophe he caused....
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Your missing sources here. Some names and links to their statements would be very nice.
The UK would lose its worth as an economic and politic ally in the EU, if it's going to leave. It has only worth as a military ally then. And since we're all in the NATO, there's nothing special about that relationship anymore then.
And you can't force people to buy your stuff with nuclear weapons and secret services. Btw, France has nuclear weapons too, and there's a ton of american nuclear weapons in Germany.
And Mate. We got more Nuclear Bombs than are needed to Destroy the World. You think we will miss the British Ones ?
Or do you Suggest UK will start a Nuclear war with the EU ?
Heck even North Korea has Nuclear Bombs.....
You raise an interesting point. I am NOT saying that war is coming or anything, but look at this from an international standpoint.
1. The UK will have just voted to leave a union which provided an immense stabilizing influence in the world.
2. It is trying to act completely independently of nations without regard to the consequences for itself or other nations.
3. The population is a laughing stock among other countries but the statesmen of those nations will be worried - the UK has demonstrated to the world it has a large nationalist and anti-intellectualist population.
4. The UK itself may well end up fracturing, with Scotland demanding to leave, and the IRA coming back to commit terrorist acts, further destabilizing the UK.
5. If the economy tanks then the population is likely to become even more uncivil and unrest and discord might ensue.
These are all well within the realms of possibility now. They aren't pipe dreams, and maybe they aren't probabilities, but they are certainly on the cards for our future. Under these circumstances how likely is it we'll put under pressure to disarm our nuclear arsenal? And if we didn't how likely is it that sanctions would follow?
Here's a 2016 style meme/GIF treatment of the whole mess. I'll use this if I need to explain what is happening to anybody
https://www.buzzfeed.com/lukebailey/the-crisis-explained-maybe?utm_term=.qhrbN6n4g#.kpOKVb8zj
https://www.buzzfeed.com/lukebailey/the-crisis-explained-maybe?utm_term=.qhrbN6n4g#.kpOKVb8zj
The Biggest Chance for the Scenario you describe would be Michael Gove I guess.
Terrorism etc wont happen unless UK allows no Peaceful Chance for Independence.
Michael Gove which wants to Deny any Referendum by Default and Force Scottland into Submission would thus be a Chance for what you say could happen.
And dont get me wrong.
I know what you mean. And it is certainly a Possibility. But its really really unlikely to go this Bad.
The Economic Crash of the UK will make alot of things Worse especially for the lower Income Brackets.
But currently the Worst of the Likely Scenarios is an Simple Break Up of the United Kingdom into its Member States.
Meaning Ireland will take back Northern Ireland. And Scottland will go Independent.
Maybe Wales will Follow albeit Wales wont join the EU.
But thats about the Worst Scenario for UK well at least for English UK. Out of the ones which are currently Likely to happen.
Indicating just what an idiot Gove always was.
Which kinda begs the question, why did Cameron trust him with the welfare of the nations children?
In any case, it's more bluster that realism. Even the leader of the Scottish Conservatives has said there should be a referendum if the people want it. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...m-should-not-block-scottish-independence-ref/
I sincerely hope Gove isn't so utterly stupid to attempt to do to the Scottish Conservatives what Milhouse did for Scottish Labour.
But lets face it, the way Westminster is right now, perhaps someone should be checking the water there. There do seem to be quite a number of utter idiots.
He did what he wanted, no reason to stay around, hats off to sticking to ones own agenda.
Yeah he archieved what he wanted.
He threw the UK into Chaos.
No need to stick around after that for sure.
In Fact if you just threw a Grenade into a Room of People your supposed to represent its very wise to get the out as fast as you can *gg*
Then again.
If UK ends up not leaving the EU because they Elect a New Prime Minister which states he wont Invoke Article 50 and go against the Referendum.
I would laugh my ass off about Farage Quitting.
Minonian
Banned
Third blood...
Has he a plan for leaving the EU parliament?
Has he considered the economic damage of the loss of his expense account or his loss of influence in politics?
Or does he believe he can strike a deal where he gets to keep his salary and expenses and influence decision making in the EU even though he's left it?
What will probably happen is he'll wait until the "time is right" before handing in his notice, and after a while forget about the whole thing and carry on as before.....
That will only happen in your wet dream
However this is not going to be easy, but no one said it would be.In other news GOLD is still up and raising, that is great, I would like to see it around 2.000 USD/Oz that would be more natural than what we got ATM.
"Personal experience doesn't beat accumulated data" - except in a referendum, obviously.
There is a very noticeable Westminster/London bubble in politics. Face facts: It seems that half of the population don't believe that the EU benefits them, and actually when you go look at regionalised data that's not actually so far from the truth (at least in direct terms). Once again, I find myself pointing out that modern politics appears to have left a large chunk of the populace behind in the name of "accumulated data", or as I like to call it - running a country by spreadsheet.
Also, bear in mind the experts in this case are the same ones that led Greece down it's current problems and failed to predict the 2008 crash (or, more accurately, utterly ignored the warnings that it was coming). Being an expert in a topic does not always make you right, give you insight into the future or anything like that. The experts are fallible, just like non-experts. They are prone to self-interest, just like non-experts. They draw on previous experience to generate their advice, just like non-experts - but that's not actually that useful when you're doing things for the first time.
In this case, people appear to be making the case that we shouldn't have voted for Brexit because Michael Gove refused to/couldn't name economists that supported his position. That misses the point that, for many people, it wasn't an economic decision.
I don't know what the future of the UK politics will look like right now. I don't think anyone can say. There is so much uncertainty, and that's why the UK's credit ratings have been downgraded.
In the coming weeks, the aftermath will settle. We'll know who will be the next Prime Minister, and we'll know who the Leader of the Opposition will be.
For me, I will be campaigning for the Houses of Parliament to hold a vote on triggering Article 50, I will be lobbying my MP to vote against triggering it. I'm also going to be campaigning for an unbiased source of facts for referendums and elections.
The referendum campaigns were run appallingly by both sides. There were outright and massive lies told. There was a call for anti-intellectualism. There was overt and racists claims.
If there was a solid plan for leaving, with a clear vision that detailed exactly how the relationship between the UK and the EU would be, and how much it would cost; and this had been presented to the UK public as an alternative to continuing in the EU as we are, then I'd have no trouble accepting the result.
But we don't have a plan. No clear vision of what relationship is wanted with the EU. This lack of vision has caused many to have some very wild and dangerous ideas... like "We've voted out so you have to go back to where you came from".
We need our MP's to consider the circumstances of the referendum; the blatant lies, the lack of clear majority, the economic situation of some of the poorest areas who voted for change, the impact of an exit on the UKs influence and economy in the medium and long term.
We further need an independent information source for electoral campaigns, with powers to reprimand election or referendum campaigns who use misleading facts and figures. We need a renewed focus on campaigning with positive arguments, and not using fear-mongering.
That's the future of UK politics for me.
In the coming weeks, the aftermath will settle. We'll know who will be the next Prime Minister, and we'll know who the Leader of the Opposition will be.
For me, I will be campaigning for the Houses of Parliament to hold a vote on triggering Article 50, I will be lobbying my MP to vote against triggering it. I'm also going to be campaigning for an unbiased source of facts for referendums and elections.
The referendum campaigns were run appallingly by both sides. There were outright and massive lies told. There was a call for anti-intellectualism. There was overt and racists claims.
If there was a solid plan for leaving, with a clear vision that detailed exactly how the relationship between the UK and the EU would be, and how much it would cost; and this had been presented to the UK public as an alternative to continuing in the EU as we are, then I'd have no trouble accepting the result.
But we don't have a plan. No clear vision of what relationship is wanted with the EU. This lack of vision has caused many to have some very wild and dangerous ideas... like "We've voted out so you have to go back to where you came from".
We need our MP's to consider the circumstances of the referendum; the blatant lies, the lack of clear majority, the economic situation of some of the poorest areas who voted for change, the impact of an exit on the UKs influence and economy in the medium and long term.
We further need an independent information source for electoral campaigns, with powers to reprimand election or referendum campaigns who use misleading facts and figures. We need a renewed focus on campaigning with positive arguments, and not using fear-mongering.
That's the future of UK politics for me.
A leaked tape of Niel Kinnock talking to the PLP about Corbyn.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...63cde4b0935d4b4a86f6?edition=uk&utm_hp_ref=uk
It has been recorded on a mobile by the sounds, so quality isn't great. But one thing is clear - boy oh boy is he angry. The chances of a snap election soon are quite high as a new prime minister really needs a better mandate to act on this than they have now. With Corbyn in charge what are Labours chances?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...63cde4b0935d4b4a86f6?edition=uk&utm_hp_ref=uk
It has been recorded on a mobile by the sounds, so quality isn't great. But one thing is clear - boy oh boy is he angry. The chances of a snap election soon are quite high as a new prime minister really needs a better mandate to act on this than they have now. With Corbyn in charge what are Labours chances?