General / Off-Topic Police Violence in the USA.
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verminstar
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A bit of neutral and a bit of genuinely don't know all the details...do I care? Well ye, feel bad fer the guy I saw have 4 bullets shot into him at point blank range from a cop who was panicking...that clip was taken down by FB almost the minute it went out, but it had already been copied and gone viral everywhere else. There was clearly no excuse or reason or motive for what that cop did, the guy was just doing what the cop was telling him and the cop shot him anyway, and not once but four times...if that was panic then wth was this guy doing with a badge? Ye got a racism issue over there, pure and simple although how in hell ye fix it is beyond me.
Neutral from the point of view that 2 wrongs don't make a right and never did...shooting those cops was simply wrong. That wasn't panic either, that was cold blooded killing by at least 2 men with advanced military training, and enough experience to not hesitate knowing the target was multiple police homicide. Good snipers never work alone and triangulating fire are not commonly used tactics by very angry people with axes to grind...that took planning. Fer whatever it's worth, I hope for your sakes that you catch those who did this otherwise you guys could have a serious problem. Questions need to be asked about who they are and who they working for...just sayin.
Taking both of those things into consideration, it's hard to find a middle ground here. Both are wrong, and both are universally condemned but...hard to make an informed decision from across the pond as it were, especially when our own media is full of our own problems hence we see only bits and pieces. It's difficult to know what is truth and what is hype atm, but enough gets through to know that something is very wrong...just wouldn't be fair to jump to conclusions when we barely know what happened and what events have led to this.
Anyway...just my opinion for what it's worth ^^
Neutral from the point of view that 2 wrongs don't make a right and never did...shooting those cops was simply wrong. That wasn't panic either, that was cold blooded killing by at least 2 men with advanced military training, and enough experience to not hesitate knowing the target was multiple police homicide. Good snipers never work alone and triangulating fire are not commonly used tactics by very angry people with axes to grind...that took planning. Fer whatever it's worth, I hope for your sakes that you catch those who did this otherwise you guys could have a serious problem. Questions need to be asked about who they are and who they working for...just sayin.
Taking both of those things into consideration, it's hard to find a middle ground here. Both are wrong, and both are universally condemned but...hard to make an informed decision from across the pond as it were, especially when our own media is full of our own problems hence we see only bits and pieces. It's difficult to know what is truth and what is hype atm, but enough gets through to know that something is very wrong...just wouldn't be fair to jump to conclusions when we barely know what happened and what events have led to this.
Anyway...just my opinion for what it's worth ^^
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The poll is wrong, I can't agree with any of those statements.
No3 Is the closest i could agree with, but stated like this: Neutral. Its certainly not working properly; (and very) Bad.
Like it or not, the whole thing is out of control; often from both sides. Between the politics of 'hate', the fear of every man being out for himself and. The flood of guns of all kinds: It can and will only get worse, much worse; probably to the point of marshal law and curfews, where you risk being shot on sight.
The cops should take a stand against the NRA and demand gun laws change. I understand, you can't ban the 'good guys' from having guns, but those good guys need to be regularly checked and said checks, costed to the NRA. Mental state of mind, has to be considered.
We have gun crime here in the UK. Truth be told; anyone knows, that you go up against the 'Old Bill' with guns, you are going to be dead. Our armed response guys are not to be messed with. At the same time, we don't have a cop on each corner; thinking he is Wyatt Earp or Dirty Harry. With the numbers of armed cops in the USA, you have got to have few, who think, just that.
No3 Is the closest i could agree with, but stated like this: Neutral. Its certainly not working properly; (and very) Bad.
Like it or not, the whole thing is out of control; often from both sides. Between the politics of 'hate', the fear of every man being out for himself and. The flood of guns of all kinds: It can and will only get worse, much worse; probably to the point of marshal law and curfews, where you risk being shot on sight.
The cops should take a stand against the NRA and demand gun laws change. I understand, you can't ban the 'good guys' from having guns, but those good guys need to be regularly checked and said checks, costed to the NRA. Mental state of mind, has to be considered.
We have gun crime here in the UK. Truth be told; anyone knows, that you go up against the 'Old Bill' with guns, you are going to be dead. Our armed response guys are not to be messed with. At the same time, we don't have a cop on each corner; thinking he is Wyatt Earp or Dirty Harry. With the numbers of armed cops in the USA, you have got to have few, who think, just that.
Minonian
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I agree with Arry third is the closest but still poorly interpreted. The thing is their culture is just way too violent, and gun nut(job) this is what you get in result. Now, I'm not the kind of man who gives a damn about the hurt feelings, or harm done to bad guys, (why the .... you were bad?! end of the story!)
But hurting, and killing innocents? That's another question! And a mere assumption he wants to do something bad, is just not justifies to go this far. In the other hand?! If cops know anybody can have a weapon, than they are naturally go way too jumpy even in case a simple ID check. The sad fact is, in America even in cases like this because how the cops proceed, because of the natural assumption of weapons, and the civilians fear to be hurted? Both party is became way too frightened and adrenaline filled.
The result? We just seen that, right?
And the worst part of it, they just don't want to change and sure as hell unless someone in power make them do so they won't, or just very slowly. They were multiple attempts to gun control, but all of them faltered, because america just want to be as the way it is.
This is the American reality...
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Well, When i talked about pirates, and their Victim i mentioned the arguments of sheep and wolf.
In case of Cops VS bad guys? We talking about Shepherd VS Wolf. And thats it. Tell me, how much chance a Wolf have to beat in any sense to the Shepherd dog?
Or reach him to be change and be nice with him, explain he is right, and the dog is wrong? Just don't make me laugh! Not gonna work!
Never-ever!
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Second thing. We also all seen what happened with the terrorists killed cop, right? In a situation extreme like this, this is what meant to be and this is how it must be! The bad guys must be caught and punished in extreme degree... Reason;
What kind of order, and safety we can have, if you can kill a cop and get away with it?
ZERO!
Yeah, there is smoother ways to deal with them, but honestly? It's in their head!
But hurting, and killing innocents? That's another question! And a mere assumption he wants to do something bad, is just not justifies to go this far. In the other hand?! If cops know anybody can have a weapon, than they are naturally go way too jumpy even in case a simple ID check. The sad fact is, in America even in cases like this because how the cops proceed, because of the natural assumption of weapons, and the civilians fear to be hurted? Both party is became way too frightened and adrenaline filled.
The result? We just seen that, right?
And the worst part of it, they just don't want to change and sure as hell unless someone in power make them do so they won't, or just very slowly. They were multiple attempts to gun control, but all of them faltered, because america just want to be as the way it is.
This is the American reality...
Edit.
Well, When i talked about pirates, and their Victim i mentioned the arguments of sheep and wolf.
In case of Cops VS bad guys? We talking about Shepherd VS Wolf. And thats it. Tell me, how much chance a Wolf have to beat in any sense to the Shepherd dog?
Or reach him to be change and be nice with him, explain he is right, and the dog is wrong? Just don't make me laugh! Not gonna work!Never-ever!
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Second thing. We also all seen what happened with the terrorists killed cop, right? In a situation extreme like this, this is what meant to be and this is how it must be! The bad guys must be caught and punished in extreme degree... Reason;
What kind of order, and safety we can have, if you can kill a cop and get away with it?
ZERO!
Yeah, there is smoother ways to deal with them, but honestly? It's in their head!
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I'll just link this thread with a video I posted, it was closed with no reason why.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/272274-Gun-Nut-America
As for the violence, well the media never tells the whole story. Cop killings get way more air time than the stories where cops save lives. These guys live through hell every day to protect thousands of citizens, many of whom openly hate Cops. These guys are human just like you and I, and can suffer the same issues with life just like everyone else. Most of them aren't even paid that well, but are asked to put their lives on the line and they do it.
There were a lot of cop deaths this week too, don't ever forget that.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/272274-Gun-Nut-America
As for the violence, well the media never tells the whole story. Cop killings get way more air time than the stories where cops save lives. These guys live through hell every day to protect thousands of citizens, many of whom openly hate Cops. These guys are human just like you and I, and can suffer the same issues with life just like everyone else. Most of them aren't even paid that well, but are asked to put their lives on the line and they do it.
There were a lot of cop deaths this week too, don't ever forget that.
It's not so simple. Cops risk their lives every day. I'd get twitchy too if everyone I encountered in the day doing my job might be carrying a gun because those things are freely available. But this is the mental connection that Americans seem incapable of making.
Likewise, agree with this, so I won't be participating in your poll as it currently stands - I'd like to though, don't get me wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmEHcOc0Sys
The American police is like the United States. Savages
I don't like polls because they invariably fail in their mission and never, ever cover all the available options in a clear and balanced way; and I'm afraid this one is no exception.
What is it with polls? Nobody ever does them properly but we still insist on doing them anyway. Baffling. [???]
What is it with polls? Nobody ever does them properly but we still insist on doing them anyway. Baffling. [???]
Sad, but what has that to do with us. These are civil matters for Americans to deal with.
Good luck, but you need to sort this out yourself.
<cough> Sandy Hook Elementary School. <cough>
Maybe make a poll on your post to have an opinion ?
Unfortunately that has been done to death as well. [hotas]
Sandy Hook, committed by a severely mentally ill man, who obtained guns from a severely irresponsible person.
The Police is useless in almost any country, I don't call them, that's why the 2nd amendment are so important, and should be a human right in any country.
Yep.
A sick society incapable of seeing the wood for the trees.
Not our problem.
Incidentally, the reason the other thread was closed (other gun thread) was because I posted on there, about Sandy Hook including images of the murdered babys and some links to prominent Americans claiming it was a conspiracy against gun owners and others.
That post was deleted and the thread locked. Presumably by one of our American mods who takes offence at reality.
That thread has now been unlocked so I can refer to that without breaking forum rules.
Minonian
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