I suspect some members knew they were breaking Mobius private server rules, but it can't be proven. There is no sign up process, vetting process, or anything. You simply ask for membership and it's granted. Further, rules broken in a private server are the responsibility of the server's owner (per FD). Only if we had use fake accounts or tried to get back into the server after being kicked would we have violated the EULA.
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I suspect some members knew they were breaking Mobius private server rules, but it can't be proven. There is no sign up process, vetting process, or anything. You simply ask for membership and it's granted. Further, rules broken in a private server are the responsibility of the server's owner (per FD). Only if we had use fake accounts or tried to get back into the server after being kicked would we have violated the EULA.
ROFL.
Yet you claim ignorance of the rules of Mobius. Rules you agreed to when you signed up. That says you are a liar.
And having no success, I might note.
Sure, whatever... Like youtr tactical excellence in Mobius? Clubbing seals is more accurate, and probably in solo.
Of course, you are trying to show him the truth that he and his group broke the rules and 13th Legion, and especially their self-proclaimed leader and his mouthpieces fall under this fact...
[video=youtube;MMzd40i8TfA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMzd40i8TfA[/video]
Lolz... nice video.
Lets see, the information on the top of the page when you go to find out how to join Mobius, from the Mobius website...
This page explains how to join the Elite: Dangerous Mobius PvE group in game, before joining please take a look at our Policy page so you are aware of our code of conduct and rules for playing in the Mobius Player Vs Environment group.
Click on the highlighted policy and you get this:
Hello Commanders,
In order to clarify some details we have updated our group policy, covering the aspects of the game as it stands now. If and when new gameplay mechanics concerning PvP/PvE are introduced to the game, or we discover a point that needs clarification, it will be added to this policy.
Fly safe, commanders.
Policy and code of conduct while playing online in the dedicated Player versus Environment group (Mobius)
The group's goal is to provide players with an environment to play Elite: Dangerous in a full multiplayer world without having the experience spoiled by non-consensual PvP, ganking, domination, abuse or anti-social behaviour.
To achieve this, all members agree to abide to the rules listed below while playing online in the "Mobius" private group. Of course, the rules apply only to sessions inside the group.
The group motto translates to "to each their own". So the number one and most important rule is:
- Don't spoil another players game!
Membership of the ElitePvE group:
- Membership of the ElitePvE group (Mobius) is open to all players who wish to have a safe PvE environment with other players in Elite: Dangerous
- Members are free to join any other group, clan, alliance, or similar. The ElitePvE group is non-exclusive.
- There is no obligation to go online in the ElitePvE group whatsoever. It is merely yet another option to play the game. All members can play any other mode (open for all, solo, other groups) any time they wish.
- These rules apply while being online in the ElitePvE group.
- It is not allowed to attack another player for any reason outside of Conflict zone. Conflict zones special rules apply, see below.
- Players having a bounty, no matter how high, are no exception
- Also players allied to another Power are no exception
- Ramming another player on purpose is considered attacking, of course
- It is not allowed to pull (interdict) another player out of supercruise
- It is not allowed to accept or carry out missions which have another player as a target while playing online in the group.
- Inside Conflict Zones the following rules apply:
- It is not allowed to attack a neutral player (a player not having chosen a faction)
- It is not allowed to attack another player while being neutral (not having chosen a faction oneself)
- It is not allowed to attack another player on the own chosen faction
- Only if both players have activly chosen opposing factions may they engage in combat
- It is not allowed to exit and enter a warzone in rapid succession for the sole purpose of targeting other players. Only if the wrong faction was chosen by mistake or by mutual agreement of the present players (For example in order for everybody to join the same faction).
- The above rules ensure, that players wishing no PvP at all can safely enter warzones as spectator or to decide actions later, without being forced into an unwanted fight.
- It is not allowed to provoke criminal status by any means, like flying into the line of fire of a mining laser on purpose to flag another player as criminal.
- Breaking any of the above rules will result in an instant ban without warning to protect the group from further unwanted infractions. Players making a complaint must supply a screenshot or other evidence for a ban to be implemented.
- Commanders can appeal against the ban by contacting the group admins on this forum via PM or the contact form.
- And finally again, the rules are here to clarify some details, not to complicate the game! We want to play together and have fun. That is the purpose of this game and the group.
"To each their own". "Do not spoil another players game".
So after all of that, please explain again how your members "did not know they were in a PVE group." You can't, because you, and they, are lying. Simple, plain, outright lying.
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I would say a pretty wing history would be a better description.
Learn to use past tense, it no longer is.
I stopped your reply where you should have. You're not required to go to Mobius website to sign up. I've never went to their website; I heard about the group through a Reddit or FB link. To be honest I didn't even know they had a website until recently.
Further, it doesn't matter if I went to the website or not, or if I read the rules or not. FD stated that private server rules are unenforceable by them. Since nothing we did can be construed (by a reasonable person anyway) as harassment, then you see why I have no fear of being banned.
No. I don't listen to anybody who thinks he/she needs to prove a point by spoiling the game for somebody else. Annoying, frustrating and "harassing" other players is the best way to motivate me to work against his/her interest.
It's the worst thing somebody can do to prove their point and it hurts their cause more.
I never demanded anything.
No longer because...? We're all going to be banned? People think we're bad guys?
What's the Wing History on your group look like?
You know, you were much more likable when you were on ignore. I think that is where I will put you back to. Buh bye...
And by the way, Zac has even come on here and stated they are looking into penalties for your actions, because it WAS a violation of the Eula, as clarified by Zac, on 11 March 2016. Your willful ignorance is not a defense, and your ramblings on over 30 paged of forums is all the evidence they should need, along with the videos of the people you unjustly and illegally attacked.
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"But Officer, I didn't know that was illegal."
Can we be friends in game?
Of course violating EULA of a private server should lead to being banned. This CG was created without a built in way to counter the Federation expansion, which led to the current events. Imperial pilots needed some way to stop the expansion, since they disagreed with it, but no counter CG was available. The 13th's blockade was a good idea for Open, but invading Mobius was dishonorable, and against the spirit of a PVE private group. If this CG was supposed to be stoppable, then why was no counter CG created for the Empire?
This was a mistake on FDev's part, which created this unfortunate circumstance. As a Mobius player, we have the option to contribute to CGs just as Solo and Open players do. Not all those who are in Mobius do though. This was built in by FDev, like it or not, the mechanic exists. Now FDev needs to step up and create equal goals so that private groups, and solo players are not such a threat to the Open players. If you purchased the game, you should not be blocked from taking part in the game's content. If your work is being undone in Open, why is that? Is it because the CG is so one sided that simple acts in Private and Solo can unbalance it? If so then the creation of CGs need to be revisited, so that some semblance of balance can be reached without players invading private servers in an attempt to change the outcome. Using the BGS to lock down the system was use of existing mechanics, and if achieved purely in Open, then that is fair play. It wasn't though. It required the use of dishonorable tactics, and the breaking of an honor code. So the lock down was lifted. Play by the rules, or be banned. It is simple.
As a final thought, FDev really needs to consider doing as they did in Damaro, and set a goal for both sides, then see who wins. Regardless of Open, Private, or Solo. That would avoid problems like this. I was trading on the edge of known space when this whole fiasco went down, and couldn't care less about the CG, as it was Federation only as far as I was concerned.
"EULA of a private server" is not a real thing.
Goose4291
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It's attitudes like this that cause so much division in the community.
Don't like someones opinion? Put them on the ignore list. Create an echo chamber.
The usual really, another group deciding to become a group of griefers and further helping Group mode by creating more reasons for adding more tools to Group owners. Just a shame that they further hurt the image of all PvP players, most of wich are nice chaps which gets more and more forgotten because of people like that.
Sealclubbing is not "badass".
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