My open letter to Fdev
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I have to confess that I've completely lost the plot on this one. I've read all the posts and I'm not sure I quite understand the problem. I should mention that I'm a soloist so my interest is mostly academic.
So, the 13th Legion with 59 members decides to oppose a community goal and does so in part by "invading" the Mobius Groups which has 24,000+ members. They do so because
1) they want to prove some point about private and solo groups affecting the background simulation which they don't like and
2) because the code of conduct prevent the Mobius members from shooting back meaning that they will be able to destroy a huge number of players which will contribute greatly to the cause. The Mobius Group members also fly ships with low shielding and often without weapons making it even easier to destroy the ships.
But by doing so they deliberately break the code of conduct and rules they agreed to when joining the Mobius group and effectively lied to gain access to Mobius having had no intention of ever abiding by the code of conduct and rules.
Not surprisingly their efforts, being a bit like shooting fish in a barrel and probably not due to much in the way of skill, is a massive success and they are congratulating themselves greatly when Frontier, silently and without any warning, reverse the success.
The 13th Legion are now up in arms at this and are trying to drum up player support and are demanding that Frontier stop messing about in the game and put the situation back where it was because they, Frontier, are going against their own advertising where it states that the background environment will be affected by the players.
Did I get that right or am I missing some point or other?
If I did get this right then I have to quote commander Pindleton and say that this seems to be a case of Heckler's Veto. One of his posts has a URL to a very informative article on the subject.
I mean, The 13th have 59 members. A very, very small minority. A very vociferous one to be sure but nevertheless, a minority. At the time I post this this thread has 156 participants, some for, some against so let's say half and half and to be generous add that to the number of members in the 13th Legion even though some have said that they did not take part and oppose the action and some will be posting in the thread, to give a total of 137 players.
That is still a less than minuscule minority making a very big noise.
Commander Pindleton. You are correct this is Heckler's Veto exactly.
So, the 13th Legion with 59 members decides to oppose a community goal and does so in part by "invading" the Mobius Groups which has 24,000+ members. They do so because
1) they want to prove some point about private and solo groups affecting the background simulation which they don't like and
2) because the code of conduct prevent the Mobius members from shooting back meaning that they will be able to destroy a huge number of players which will contribute greatly to the cause. The Mobius Group members also fly ships with low shielding and often without weapons making it even easier to destroy the ships.
But by doing so they deliberately break the code of conduct and rules they agreed to when joining the Mobius group and effectively lied to gain access to Mobius having had no intention of ever abiding by the code of conduct and rules.
Not surprisingly their efforts, being a bit like shooting fish in a barrel and probably not due to much in the way of skill, is a massive success and they are congratulating themselves greatly when Frontier, silently and without any warning, reverse the success.
The 13th Legion are now up in arms at this and are trying to drum up player support and are demanding that Frontier stop messing about in the game and put the situation back where it was because they, Frontier, are going against their own advertising where it states that the background environment will be affected by the players.
Did I get that right or am I missing some point or other?
If I did get this right then I have to quote commander Pindleton and say that this seems to be a case of Heckler's Veto. One of his posts has a URL to a very informative article on the subject.
I mean, The 13th have 59 members. A very, very small minority. A very vociferous one to be sure but nevertheless, a minority. At the time I post this this thread has 156 participants, some for, some against so let's say half and half and to be generous add that to the number of members in the 13th Legion even though some have said that they did not take part and oppose the action and some will be posting in the thread, to give a total of 137 players.
That is still a less than minuscule minority making a very big noise.
Commander Pindleton. You are correct this is Heckler's Veto exactly.
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I know SDC's members really well. They were laughing when their minor faction was being hit. The majority of them didn't even know they had a 'home' system.
Sorry bro. You don't get to misuse a term I introduced to you. Good attempt, but utter fail.
What confuses me is how people assume that if some in Mobius are working on a CG that EVERYONE in Mobius is working on the CG. Mobius is where people go to PVE... Now the group Order of Mobius may be working in concert with each other, yet that is no different than the 13th Legion or any other group doing it... and the # of players opposing each other are more inline with each other. There are 24000 players in Mobius and of those 24000 not there to break the rules they NOT working together to do the CG.
Funny....you try to taunt SDC by showing how broken the system is (You flip their system, and hide in a place where they cant fight against you).
Effectively:
"Hey man, how do you like how bad we messed up your station while wearing our cloaks of invulnerability. We're such badasses."
Too bad FD didn't use their magic wands in that case.
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modifying solo/group is more in place than outright removing them. and even with instances filling out, you still have a chance at a blockade. Alternativley look at what people can affect when it comes to BGS in x ammount of time
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. See you all next CG
not in game you wont
I did my bit in open to try to see your lot, but none were their whilst we cleared out wolfberg.
Except many of us WERE in open, no hiding at all, and it was every bit as simple as it would have been in solo.
The funny thing here is, I have seen firemen, RAF pilots, front line soldiers all called cowards for choosing to play/having to play outside of open. Pathetic really.
not enjoying direct PvP but actually enjoying the PvE game that is the BGS (which is a kind of PvP I agree) means ED as advertised is perfect for many of us.
not all games have to be competitive pew pew. Elite thankfully is one of them that isnt.
PS there is nothing what so ever courageous about blowing up a multirole ship designed to actually play the PvE side of the game when a player is in a super specialised PvP ship which is actually useless at anything else in the game.
I have seen the recommended PvP builds of ships like the FAS. they are totally useless at everything EXCEPT PvP.
it would be a bit like having a race with me in GT3 car and you in a nissan micra and me leering at you when you lost.
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Well, I was doing the CG in open (but I play in any mood I want). I was interdicted several times, and in other cases got to the station before the blockaders got into position. Got through every time, and had lot of fun with it all. Honestly, looping around a couple of stations hauling endless tonnes of gallium would have been pretty boring.
That said, if all 4000 Cmdrs running the CG in solo/private actually moved to open, there would be so many instances running that I doubt we'd see much of a blockade. So I say, they them stay in private.
That said, if all 4000 Cmdrs running the CG in solo/private actually moved to open, there would be so many instances running that I doubt we'd see much of a blockade. So I say, they them stay in private.
Hilarious. A quick browse of this thread shows the PVE hecklers abound (just look at the past 2 pages) and you try to throw this crap.
Nope. Fits the definition very well I thought. You can't introduce a term and then limit its use only to the side you wish it to fit. It either applies or it does not.
not in game you wont
I did my bit in open to try to see your lot, but none were their whilst we cleared out wolfberg.
Except many of us WERE in open, no hiding at all, and it was every bit as simple as it would have been in solo
you can't even identify which player is "mobius" or some "13th legion" or SDC or whatever outside-of-the-game created "player faction"
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Nope, it is the home of her Blue Haired Highness. We just work as an export service bringing the goodness of Cubeo Razorback Bacon to the rest of the Galaxy.. while netting a hefty profit as well in the imports of hair products for her Highness.
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Why is it that when some disagree with you they are hecklers?
Nope, not at all. As far as I'm concerned this thread shows that both sides fit the Heckler's Veto definition. As I said either it applies or it doesn't. You are applying it on behalf of the PvP side and I'm applying it on behalf of the PvE. Sounds fair.
They are trying to get PvP representation in the game. You guys are trying to shut that down in every way possible. They are in very small numbers, and few of them actually comment here. You guys show up like a gang of hyenas and put this thread on blast. It's very clear to see who the hecklers are. You're the conservative sticks in the mud. They're the voice trying to get change. See how this works?
After they came into Mobius. Turnabout, fair play.
It really does take a genius to figure that giving a group without a collective goal a collective goal by griefing them isn't the best of ideas, doesn't it?
But SDC, which have been non-existent as far as I can tell the last couple of months, also 'proved a point'. The point was: we are pillocks and we're proud of it. Point well made. They did try to dress it up as: proving flaws in the system, but even small children and their dogs did see through that. Even SDC did .... after a while .... so in that regard they progressed. Bless 'em
By modifying, I'm assuming you mean to reduce the effectiveness/impact that group/solo players would have on CG's and the BGS?
Do you really think that would stop these complaints and the mobius infiltrations?
I doubt it. The people doing this want to blockade. They want to directly oppose their opponents. What would essentially amount to a PvE buff would do little to appease.
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Hows your station doing nowadays ?.I would like to commend the 13th Legion for opening the forum's floodgates of salty tears and rageposting. "OMG U GUISE BROKED THA EULA AND UR BANNED NOW!!!1!" "U R NOT PLAYING THA GAME THE WAY ITS MEANT TO BE PLAYED!!1" "GO PLAY CQC
you are such a bloody hypocrite!. I find that more laughable than the actual people who go out of their way to grief and exploit the game really.
true.. some people like to hide behind the veil of anonymity. I choose to be open and use my online username as my ingame username. And yet I am the coward.
but that being said rinzler is banned from Mobius so unless he creates a new GT to invade, something which IS specifically against the TOS, then he is breaking the actual FD rules and just as bad as those using ingame cheats and what not... So I am actually giving him the benefit of the doubt by assuming he isnt that scummy.
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