General / Off-Topic Coup currently taking place in Turkey !

[Minonian]

Does "negative impact on us" mean any cost is too much? There is a large cost to be paid in turning our societies cold and selfish as well, and hardening our hearts to people in need.

No, it means the impact in our society, politics and the terrorism, knifing their forceful will to convert us to their way of life. the tensions created within our society.

Bad news! We are at home, and not them. If they came there than keep it in mind this is a different world with different set of rules, if they don't adapt, don't accept our society how it is, than their place is not there.
This is the price they must pay to became part of it.

If not? Than go else where. And don't give me the we must respect their culture crap. We do! We respect their culture, and their religion. But they can only keep it what is not in contradiction with ours. Thats the only way of coexistence.

They don't want to coexist? Than why the hell they came there, and want us to accept them in? Sorry the gates not going to open for this kind of people.

 

[Adept]

No, it means the impact in our society, politics and the terrorism, knifing their forceful will to convert us to their way of life. the tensions created within our society.

Bad news! We are at home, and not them. If they came there than keep it in mind this is a different world with different set of rules, if they don't adapt, don't accept our society how it is, than their place is not there.
This is the price they must pay to became part of it.

If not? Than go else where. And don't give me the we must respect their culture crap. We do! We respect their culture, and their religion. But they can only keep it what is not in contradiction with ours. Thats the only way of coexistence.

This is such a confused mess. You shifted right into some paranoid rant about "forcefully converting to their way of life" when we were talking about refugees. Suddenly you talk as if it was some kind of reverse Crusade to turn Europe into an extension of the Middle East. This is not a real thing, it is some fever dream.

Sweden has a lot of African refugees and immigrants. Has this "converted" Sweden? No it hasn't.

They don't want to coexist? Than why the hell they came there, and want us to accept them in? Sorry the gates not going to open for this kind of people.

This is particularly bizarre. Why did they come here? To get away from the terrorist scum of ISIS, militant Islamists, persecution and threats to their lives.

You have painted this picture of "The Other" in your head. This is a classic racist stereotype. It reminds me of white cops in the US shooting black people because they hate and fear them. You think Muslim refugees in Europe are some weird existential threat. They are people. No more, no less. You want to have some kind of battle of societies? Our strength in that is having an open, tolerant society which respects human rights and values education. If your answer to them is to allow fear and intolerance to take hold, what the heck is it that you think we have that is worth defending then?

Refugees are just people, and they need help. I agree that we should be helping end the wars and rebuild their homelands, as that would benefit everybody, but this overblown fear of "Muslims" is like any other phobia. It's irrational and overblown.

 

[Minonian]

Paranoid rant? When it's actually happen it's not so paranoid.

And it's happening.

Or you saying the terror attacks are nothing?
You saying they are not knifed anybody because of inappropriate clothes?
You saying there was no saria patrols in europe until they stopped?

And ultimately you saying any of these can happen, if we not let them in? Or at least we are more careful?
Bad news buddy! But when reality knocking on your door is not paranoia!
When when we got multiple attacks just in this year, and even more prevented attacks, arrested terrorists?

Its the cold bloody reality!

 

[Sunleader]

Really idealists, these commanders. I prefer to laugh

You aint one to Talk on this one

Once again, wrong timetable.

The deal with turkey came after the borders closed. For this drop both was necessary.

Your fallacy of reason is false effect / cause

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause

Edit; In a chain of events all parts are necessary to get the outcome so your fallacy is also the slippery slope.

So is yours in that case.
Because the Increase of Refugees Slowed before the Borders were Closed

But here is the thing.
The Truth is Nobody will be able to tell if it was Closing the Borders or the Deal with Turkey that Reduced the Refugee Waves in the End.

The Facts we can make out is.
Merkels Statement had no Increasing Effect on Refugees coming over. Because for a Fact after here Statement the Increase of Refugees Slowed and Ultimately Halted.
The Increase of Refugees in Germany came because Other Countries Closed the Borders while Germany kept them Open. Which means Germany for a few Months was the Target of Least Resistance.
This can also not be made out to Merkel because Sweden and other Countries which did not Close their Borders had the Same Phenomenom
And the Final Fact. We know that the Measures all together bought the Desired Effect.


Which Measure ultimately was the Deciding one cant possibly be made out. Because they came all fairly close together.

If it was done by Closing the Borders. (Which I dont think because this has shown Ineffective in the Past as Refugees for most Part simply ended up being Put in Camps in front of the Border and then slowly but Surely Breaking through in Smaller Groups at Night.)
The Deal with Turkey (Which as I said had way more Effect than what People make it out to. Because once more this Deal effectively Says to Refugees. If you go to Turkey you got a Chance to go into EU Legally meaning alot of Refugees would go for Turkey in the First Place and stay there hoping they get in for someone who Failed to come into the EU Illegally)
Or if it was done by Russia which used Military Force to take back large Chunks of Syria thus moving the Frontlines back and effectively Increasing the Safe Zones inside Syria again which Reduces the People who want to Flee. (Also an very likely Scenario because it creates more Space to Flee to which is closer and less Dangerous.)

 

[Sunleader]

Paranoid rant? When it's actually happen it's not so paranoid.

And it's happening.

Or you saying the terror attacks are nothing?
You saying they are not knifed anybody because of inappropriate clothes?
You saying there was no saria patrols in europe until they stopped?

And ultimately you saying any of these can happen, if we not let them in? Or at least we are more careful?
Bad news buddy! But when reality knocking on your door is not paranoia!
When when we got multiple attacks just in this year, and even more prevented attacks, arrested terrorists?

Its the cold bloody reality!

Well Deaths by Terrorism Last Year was 32.000. Out of that 20.000 Deaths are in the Countries where Boko Haram and ISIS are Fighting Currently. While only Around 12.000 are in the Remaining World.

Now just for a Reference. The USA last Year had 34.000 Deaths due to Traffic Accidents
Europe even had over 80.000 Deaths due to Traffic Incidents.
The Total Number of Deaths from Traffic Incidents Tops 1.200.000 meaning that currently. The Chance of Dying in a Traffic Accident is roughly 38 Times higher than being Killed by a Terrorist.

In Germany in 2015 the only Terrorism Related Death was the Terrorist himself.
So lets go with 2016. Germany had 1 Death from Terrorism and 3500 Deaths from Car Accidents
I dont think I need to do the Math on this one to tell you how Good your Chances are

The Biggest Chance thanks to recent Big Incidents is in France.
In France with 3200 Deaths from Car Accidents. And 160 Deaths from Terrorism.
the Chance to be Killed by a Car is only 20 Times higher than being Victim of Terrorism.



As an small Sidehit to the Guys who claim that Guns being Freely Available dont cause more Deaths.

Last Year in the USA. 44 People Died to Terrorism.
Over 7.000 People in the USA were Murdered using Guns. (Pls note this is only the Number of Murders by Guns. It does not Include any other Deaths by Shootings like Firefights with the Police etc etc.)
So if your in the USA. The Chance that your Shot by another American is 160 Times higher than the Chance that some Terrorist Kills you

Interestingly.
The 44 Deaths from Terrorism apparently Warrant Massive Cuts into Freedom up to the Point where the State can Ignore any Laws and Rights a Citizen Has.
Meanwhile over 7000 Murders using Guns dont even Warrant increased Gun Controls *gg*




So Yep. This Terror Attacks in the Big Picture are Nothing to be Honest.
Next time you see a Car Approaching when you want to Pass the Street you should keep that Car in Sight very very Closely.
Because the Chance that he loses Control of the Car and Smashes you with it. Is at the very very least. 20 Times higher than that you will be Killed by some Terrorist in whatever other way.


And pls note this is only the Cars. There is so Goddamn many Dangers alone in your House which are more Dangerous to you than Terrorists. That just thinking about it gives me the Shivers.

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Answer my question then. What should we do? If you were formulating policy, what would be the rules? We can then look at what the consequences of that would be.

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"completely false" you say. I asked what should be done when a boat of desperate people arrive. People who aren't desperate won't risk drowning in the med in one of those death traps. You acknowledged at at least some of them truly are desperate. What should be done with them. Enough of your dodges, tell me what you would want done.

And btw, not actually starving and owning a phone doesn't mean somebody isn't in desperate trouble. If you lost everything and had to flee to another country, fearing for your life, I think you wouldn't look starving and you'd also arrive with a phone. These people are coming from war torn countries, not the Middle Ages you know.

I already had this Conversation with him.
I think the Result he came to was.
That Europe cannot be held Responsible for People Drowning after our Naval Forces prevent them from Landing on our Shores.
Because Europe has the Right to Defend its Borders and nobody Forced em to try crossing the Ocean. So if they Starve or Drown because they cannot land on European Shores thats their Problem.


And yes I told him as well that this is Murder no matter how you turn it.



Edit:
And yeah.
Somehow alot of People dont seem to Realize this.
But the Problem in Warring Countries is usually not a Lack of Money. But the Lack of things to Buy.

You can have 50.000 Dollars Cash as well as Phone in your Pockets when your Arrive in Europe with your Luxury Yacht.
If there was no more Food to Buy in your Home because the City you Fled from was Surrounded by ISIS and had been Starving for Weeks thus nobody Selling you Food even if you Offered them 10.000 Dollars for a Bread.
Then Sorry. But your Situation is just as Desperate as that from your Average Poor Family which lost its work to the War and Fled their Home because they could not afford to buy Food and Bombs were Raining on their City.

People unfortunately always forget this. But you cannot Eat Money. If the War causes an Shortage of Food to the Point where People Hoard Food rather than Sell it. You can be as Rich as you want.
You wont be able to Feed your Family with this Wealth.

Thing is. If someone with 50.000 Dollars Cash Arrives in his Luxury Yacht he wont be an Refugee. He will Report to the Harbor that he Anchors here for 1-2 Years and will be Treated like a Longterm Tourist able to Buy stuff and Stay without any bigger Precedures except getting a Visa from his Local Embassy.

 

[Patrick_68000]

People who aren't desperate won't risk drowning in the med in one of those death traps.

But before crossing the Mediterranean as you say, they are in Turkey or Libya. They are absolutely not persecuted in these countries ... These two countries are apparently much less naive than you ...

 

[Patrick_68000]

What should we do ?

I'm not against the idea to welcome the vulnerable families with children, but tens of thousands and even hundreds of thousands of young single men, no thanks. European youth is enough (by millions) in the unemployment and the precarity. What to do ? Well send hundreds of thousands of young men in Germany and the USA. Merkel and Obama these two irresponsible will be enchanted. The Germany has not received enough, it can receive a few extra million. It shouted loudly the hospitality of Europe without asking the opinion of its partners. And the US of Obama have widely the space and the economic prosperity to welcome millions of Syrians, Iraqis, Afghans and Africans.

 

[Sunleader]

I'm not against the idea to welcome the vulnerable families with children, but tens of thousands and even hundreds of thousands of young single men, no thanks. European youth is enough (by millions) in the unemployment and the precarity. What to do ? Well send hundreds of thousands of young men in Germany and the USA. Merkel and Obama these two irresponsible will be enchanted. The Germany has not received enough, it can receive a few extra million. It shouted loudly the hospitality of Europe without asking the opinion of its partners. And the US of Obama have widely the space and the economic prosperity to welcome millions of Syrians, Iraqis, Afghans and Africans.

Most of these are the Valiant Type tough.
They are doing the Life Risking and often very Hard Travel. In Order to get Money and have their Family come after them in a Safer and easier Way.
Its not an Illogical Choice and something done very often in times of Trouble.

If your in Trouble you Send the Strongest Person with the Highest Chances to Succeed to get Help.



There will always be Black Sheep in anything.
But if your Operating by the Doctrine that one Bad Case among 100 Clean Cases is enough to Warrant just Denying all 100 Cases because the 1 Bad Case must be in there.
Then you should better be Happy that the Government aint doing things like you want.

Otherwise you would be Shot on Sight by the Police the moment you approach an Police Blockade.
After all there can always be one guy among them who is a Terrorist or wants to break the Police Blockade

 

[Minonian]

You aint one to Talk on this one

But here is the thing.
The Truth is Nobody will be able to tell if it was Closing the Borders or the Deal with Turkey that Reduced the Refugee Waves in the End.

Wrong! It's all about timing. And the reduction of wave is started before the deal with turkey made.

 

[Sunleader]

Wrong! It's all about timing. And the reduction of wave is started before the deal with turkey made.

It also started before the Borders were closed

 

[Minonian]

I'm not against the idea to welcome the vulnerable families with children, but tens of thousands and even hundreds of thousands of young single men, no thanks.

Same goes there there are just too many of them!
But you know what? Don't debate with them. Looks like they are the kind of people who don't understand the real problem until the refugees start to blow things up, like France needed to realize the true problem.
I don't wish this to them but it will be going to happen.

Or even after this they going to hold out in their viewpoint some people just never learn. Not from the things he see, and not even the things happen with them.

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It also started before the Borders were closed

Statistics says otherwise.

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_quarterly_report
The peak began to drop after the land borders closed down and we are amongst the first who did this, in 2015 september.
Which is long before the deal Merkel made.

 

[Sunleader]

Same goes there there are just too many of them!
But you know what? Don't debate with them. Looks like they are the kind of people who don't understand the real problem until the refugees start to blow things up, like France needed to realize the true problem.
I don't wish this to them but it will be going to happen.

Or even after this they going to hold out in their viewpoint some people just never learn. Not from the things he see, and not even the things happen with them.

Nice Backhanded Insult.
If you dont want to Debate. I guess I.ll Advice you to just stay Home cowering in Fear of the Evil Evil Refugees which are all Rapists and Terrorists who just dont know they are yet *gg*

Unfortunately in another 20 Years you will still be Sitting there Cowering in Fear. And the World will still be Turning Round with new Crisises which Europe will try to Solve while showering each other stupid accursations.
And the Right Wing Parties will still talk about how the Refugees of whichever other Middle East Country has Cooked off will come as Terrorists and Destroy Europe

Or to make it Short.
I fear we are still a few Hundred Years away from Terrorist being more Dangerous than our General Traffic


So sorry. But I would say we are simply people looking at Reality.
While your the Type of People which are easily deceived by the Lies of Right Wing Radicals and People like Donald Trump. No matter how Idiotic, Senseless and illogical these "Dangers" are

 

[Minonian]

I already had this Conversation with him.
I think the Result he came to was.
That Europe cannot be held Responsible for People Drowning after our Naval Forces prevent them from Landing on our Shores.
Because Europe has the Right to Defend its Borders and nobody Forced em to try crossing the Ocean. So if they Starve or Drown because they cannot land on European Shores thats their Problem.

They are very well aware the fact we must let them in, because otherwise we are "morally bad", if we can't let them in because of the moral implications.
They are very well aware the fact because of the naval law we don't have other choice just to take them in, after tey are pulled out the overburdened ships.
So sorry mate, but it's not our responsibility.

Because these situation is from their part intentionally created. This is not bravely this is the intentional creation of a situation what they can exploit.
This is not our fault, but their doing.

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I fear we are still a few Hundred Years away from Terrorist being more Dangerous than our General Traffic

By the numbers? Yes...

But you know? A traffic accident is an accident while a few tewrrorist capable to cause untold damage. Like i don't know? 9/11
Too much of the risk.

 

[Adept]

Yes, I'm saying these do not apply to a whole section of population.

Do we apply all crimes of "Christians" or "White People" similarily? Are all Irish people terrorists because of the IRA?

Seriously, what fraction of a % of European Muslims have participated in anything like a "Sharia Patrol"? Less than that of white youth belonging to violent gangs. Should we treat all white European males as child pornography distributors? It's definitely so that the majority of child      is distributed by white males.

Seriously. That above is bigotry and racism. If you look at the statistics of young males and leave race and religion out of it, you'll notice that young men are a crime risk. Always and everywhere.

You seem to be terrified about this. Didn't you say you live in Hungary? Last I looked only a few hundred refugees have been given asylum or residence rights there, yet you think they are some existential threat. I'm sorry, but this is a bit useless. It's like trying to discuss spider biology with an arachnophobe who is wigging out all the time.

Paranoid rant? When it's actually happen it's not so paranoid.

And it's happening.

Or you saying the terror attacks are nothing?
You saying they are not knifed anybody because of inappropriate clothes?
You saying there was no saria patrols in europe until they stopped?

And ultimately you saying any of these can happen, if we not let them in? Or at least we are more careful?
Bad news buddy! But when reality knocking on your door is not paranoia!
When when we got multiple attacks just in this year, and even more prevented attacks, arrested terrorists?

Its the cold bloody reality!

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But before crossing the Mediterranean as you say, they are in Turkey or Libya. They are absolutely not persecuted in these countries ... These two countries are apparently much less naive than you ...

You think things are just fine for refugees in Turkey? Libya, btw is essentially at a state of civil war.

 

[Adept]

Nice Backhanded Insult.
If you dont want to Debate. I guess I.ll Advice you to just stay Home cowering in Fear of the Evil Evil Refugees which are all Rapists and Terrorists who just dont know they are yet *gg*

Unfortunately in another 20 Years you will still be Sitting there Cowering in Fear. And the World will still be Turning Round with new Crisises which Europe will try to Solve while showering each other stupid accursations.
And the Right Wing Parties will still talk about how the Refugees of whichever other Middle East Country has Cooked off will come as Terrorists and Destroy Europe

Or to make it Short.
I fear we are still a few Hundred Years away from Terrorist being more Dangerous than our General Traffic


So sorry. But I would say we are simply people looking at Reality.
While your the Type of People which are easily deceived by the Lies of Right Wing Radicals and People like Donald Trump. No matter how Idiotic, Senseless and illogical these "Dangers" are

Here's the problem.

Secrets of the right-wing brain: New study proves it — conservatives see a different, hostile world
http://www.salon.com/2014/07/29/sec..._conservatives_see_a_different_hostile_world/

When we're talking about brains being wired to react much more strongly to threats and fear it tends to trump things like statistics. It doesn't matter that you're much more likely to get knifed by a white guy than a Muslim terrorist The idea of that Muslim fanatic is so threatening that the odds are irrelevant. Conservative thinkers tend to want strong measures to be taken so that the threat is dealt with and goes away! Despite this they will never feel safe, as there are always new threats to worry about.

How do we deal with such brain wiring that is to a degree genetic? Safe childhood and upbringing seems to be the only thing that works.

 

[Minonian]

Seriously. That above is bigotry and racism. If you look at the statistics of young males and leave race and religion out of it, you'll notice that young men are a crime risk. Always and everywhere.
.

At first. I'm not sayin all of them is bad.

At second. even a few is means too much of danger.

Furthermore we want to keep it in this way.

Edit; And finally about your study?
If you want something happen in your country like 9/11 than by all means! Be my guest! But my sober brain says no matter what the statistics show this is too much of a danger, too serious to take the risk just like a nuclear meltdown.

because you know? Not only the number of accidents are in question, but their severity too!

 

[Sunleader]

They are very well aware the fact we must let them in, because otherwise we are "morally bad", if we can't let them in because of the moral implications.
They are very well aware the fact because of the naval law we don't have other choice just to take them in, after tey are pulled out the overburdened ships.
So sorry mate, but it's not our responsibility.

Because these situation is from their part intentionally created. This is not bravely this is the intentional creation of a situation what they can exploit.
This is not our fault, but their doing.

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By the numbers? Yes...

But you know? A traffic accident is an accident while a few tewrrorist capable to cause untold damage. Like i don't know? 9/11
Too much of the risk.

I told you before.
Refugees are Refugees.
If they Come to you by Risking their Lifes you have 2 Choices.

1. Kill them.
2. Take them.

Thats all there is to it.
Unfortunately the World is rarely Fair.
This is no Game where no matter the Situation you always got some Perfect Solution where you can Win and everyone is Happy.
And Refugees are one such Unfair thing. Where you got to Choose between the Values of Humanity and Freedom. And Protecting having roughly 50 Cents more in your Pockets per Person




And No Mate.
See. The Thing with Superpowers is that they go from Crisis to Crisis.
The EU has become an Actual Power in the World. This however also means that anyone with Problems looks over to the EU.
The US had this Situation for nearly a Hundred Years now. And over these Hundred years every few Years People Said "Oh my God it will all go Bad and the US will Crumble because the Crisis never Ends"
And guess what. The Crisis never Ended. They keep coming. But the US is still around


And lol the last Post on 9/11
Good one.

Let me Answer this in Kind.
And Please Imagine a Very Serious Face as I say this.

If YOU want something like Hitler to happen in YOUR Country than by all means! Be my Guest But our Sober Brain says no matter what the Right Wing Radicals Say. There is no Reasonable Danger to us right now. Laughable Fearmongering Typical to Right Wing Radicals which Claim that this Minority of 1% can against all Logic somehow Manage to End the World if we dont Eradicate them.

 

[Minonian]

The problem is? Not all of them are refugees.

Furthermore, are you seriously saying me, because i'm aware the danger what they can represent i became a racist, i allow the racists take power?

Dude... That's low! Superlow!

And you saying there is no reasonable danger? Well. In this case we simply wait until the next no danger like the bombing of brussel's Airport. So you can say there is no danger at all...
But PLEASE! Keep continue to switch sides with the brexitesrs and be a good ostrich dug your head in the sand. As deep you can! Because this is what you do in the moment.

You know? The thing is statistic's not shows everything. They are not showing the terror and fear caused by such attacks, the feel of insecurity, the rapid rise of paranoid thinking, and yes! Racism! They are not showing how every political and social party polls going down if he is stupid enough to not take the necessary measures, and let them in just like that. These statistic's also not speak about the fact how Brussel dealt with the migrant crisis also responsible for the rapid rise of racism in the whole EU, not to mention the outcome of Brexit referendum.

We have no choice! Either close down the borders, and only let in the ones who can became part of our society, or we let them in, and with it we causing the rapid rise of radical partyes, whom going to do a far more worst things than us to keep, and kick them out! In this case? We can really talk about racism and radicals, unlike your dumb accusations right now!

Understand? That's all the choices we have!
We can do this nicely, with silk gloves in our hands, or we can do it in the hard inhuman ways how the r left partyes of EU going to do it. But no matter what?

It's going to be happen!

 

[Sunleader]

The problem is? Not all of them are refugees.

Furthermore, are you seriously saying me, because i'm aware the danger what they can represent i became a racist, i allow the racists take power?

Dude... That's low! Superlow!

And you saying there is no reasonable danger? Well. In this case we simply wait until the next no danger like the bombing of brussel's Airport. So you can say there is no danger at all...
But PLEASE! Keep continue to switch sides with the brexitesrs and be a good ostrich dug your head in the sand. As deep you can! Because this is what you do in the moment.

You know? The thing is statistic's not shows everything. They are not showing the terror and fear caused by such attacks, the feel of insecurity, the rapid rise of paranoid thinking, and yes! Racism! They are not showing how every political and social party polls going down if he is stupid enough to not take the necessary measures, and let them in just like that. These statistic's also not speak about the fact how Brussel dealt with the migrant crisis also responsible for the rapid rise of racism in the whole EU, not to mention the outcome of Brexit referendum.

We have no choice! Either close down the borders, and only let in the ones who can became part of our society, or we let them in, and with it we causing the rapid rise of radical partyes, whom going to do a far more worst things than us to keep, and kick them out! In this case? We can really talk about racism and radicals, unlike your dumb accusations right now!

Understand? That's all the choices we have!
We can do this nicely, with silk gloves in our hands, or we can do it in the hard inhuman ways how the r left partyes of EU going to do it. But no matter what?

It's going to be happen!

1.
No Mate.
They are ALL Refugees. Some might be Economic Refugees rather than War or Suppression Refugees. But they are Refugees.
I told you a few times. Sending Terrorists as Refugees is the Absolutely most Stupid and Least Efficient Way to Send Terrorists. And any Terrorist Organization Stupid enough to Send their People into such Risky Paths when they could just Ship them Over with Fishermboats and have them Enter including Equipment and Weapons. Would be insanely Stupid and likely not do anything.

2.
Its just as Low as your 9/11 Comment Mate.
I tend to Answer in Kind.

3.
There is no Reasonable Danger. Mate I just gave you some Big Info Up There. Chances to Die in a         Car Accident is Higher than being Killed by Terrorists.
Heck its more likely that someone from your own Country Kills you than it is to even be Injured by someone from another Country....
So what about Bombings of Brussels and France ?
Have you listened above ?
Chances to Die due to someone losing Control over his Car. Is more than 30 times more Likely than Dying to a Terrorist.
And just so you know.
Injuries from Car Accidents are barely Place 9 in the Top 10 Death Reasons.

Mate if 160 People per Year get Killed by Something in a Country with over 60 Million People.
Than Sorry but this is not exactly an Danger worth Noting.
Your about as Logical as the German Government when they closed the German Powerplants because a Typhoon hit a Japanese Powerplant.
I mean hey after all we got so many Typhoons in Germany.


4.
No they Show the Big Picture. The General thing.
The Day Terrorists at least come up in the Top 10 Death Reasons we can Talk about them being a Real Danger.
Right now the Chances are more 99.9% that you will Die from an Domestic Reason entirely Unrelated to Refugees or Terrorism.


5.
And no Mate.
Thats the Choice you somehow come down in your Head after listening to People like Trump.
Your Cowering in Fear from a Ghost because a Vase fell Over.



6.
Sigh Mate. No Nothing will happen.
Sorry to tell you. But no matter how much you Push up your Tinfoil there.
Europe will still Exist Tomorrow. And the Day after. And next Year and the next Ten Years.

 

[Sunleader]

Just so you get an Idea.

in the last 5 Years.
Less than 500 in the Entire European Union Died as an Result of Terrorism.
This Includes Individual Radicals even if they had no Affiliation to any Group like ISIS etc.


Sorry Mate.
But so Far in the Statistics of Danger.
Terrorism Ranks somewhere between Mosquitos and your Average Cold. And yes your Average Cold. The Flue actually Kills way more People than Terrorism......

Heck. Your more Likely to be Killed by Bee´s than by an Terrorist......