Yup. Something like that. I hope Iran shakes off the Theocracy soon. It would be nice to have some good news for a change.
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Yup. Something like that. I hope Iran shakes off the Theocracy soon. It would be nice to have some good news for a change.
Iran was a secular and democratic state until we messed around with it.
We've behaved pretty terribly towards the Middle-East, to a large extent the current wave of violence merely paying the piper.
Necronaught very well understood. You are a dangerous person and you interpret the words of the other people like that suits you. Your problem is that you confuse Muslim and Islamist. Begin by learning the difference between a Muslim and an Islamist. So I ask you to stop assigning me the thoughts that are not mine
Danger is propagating hate, prejudice, and outright crap about other people and other cultures.
Danger is assisting ISIS in its ultimate goal of driving a massive wedge between the Muslims of Europe and everyone else, thus creating a population sympathetic to them right here among us.
Danger is in the breathtaking levels of ignorance I see on this topic right here.
Yes you are right. I have no time to lose with these people. I wonder on what planet we live sometimes
Looks as though he was simply a bullied child gone wrong. Issue may be more about access to modern small arms a lack of psychological support than anything else in this sad instance:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-crime-munich-idUSKCN1021YZ
http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/23/munich-attack-was-not-an-act-of-terrorism-6024184/
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/world/europe/munich-shooting-attack.html?_r=0
Plenty more sources available. As OP stated, it's best we stop jumping to conclusions.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-crime-munich-idUSKCN1021YZ
http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/23/munich-attack-was-not-an-act-of-terrorism-6024184/
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/world/europe/munich-shooting-attack.html?_r=0
Plenty more sources available. As OP stated, it's best we stop jumping to conclusions.
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And one unstable dictatorship is the waiting room of something much more worst like ISIS. If The USA or anyone else want to help them than they must consolidate them, make them more stable solid, soft. Just like The eastern European countries was, before the fall of soviet union.
In time, they will turn into a democracy. This is the peaceful way what can work, unlike the military support of rebellious elements, or internal uprisings civil wars.
Unintentionally it worked once, why it cant work done right, and intentionally elsewhere?
All you need to take out of the criminal elements, from the equation, because in all the countries what turned into hell later, they were present.
The 'criminal elements', will be found in any level or form of society. From the humble sinners, to the war mongers. Crime, disobedience, envy and greed are always here, with the human race, it cannot be changed. Or you all become, ants or robots to the system.And one unstable dictatorship is the waiting room of something much more worst like ISIS. If The USA or anyone else want to help them than they must consolidate them, make them more stable solid, soft. Just like The eastern European countries was, before the fall of soviet union.
In time, they will turn into a democracy. This is the peaceful way what can work, unlike the military support of rebellious elements, or internal uprisings civil wars.
Unintentionally it worked once, why it cant work done right, and intentionally elsewhere?
All you need to take out of the criminal elements, from the equation, because in all the countries what turned into hell later, they were present.
The issue, is the disaffected, the lost, for whatever reason. They are the ones, that can be inspired to sin, or even, go to war; in the name of an idea. Who do you think, is most likely to be the enemy, the target; of the disaffected? Be aware of the outcasts, the forgotten, the ridiculed and rejected, because now IS the season of the pew pew and soon they will be handing out, AK47s.
The world is going to hell, in a hand-cart; however: the world, does this sometimes. I'm just going to keep my head down. It can happen anywhere, everywhere; at any time and if it happens around me; I'm too deaf to hear what's going on, so won't know what hit me. I still stand a better chance of being hit by a truck or something, than meeting one of these unhappy humans.
The man took 9 lives plus; got noticed and will be forgotten, after the next time. Ripping into each other, tearing strips off of each other, over the actions of another; what? Human being? Sort of, the sub-normal kind.
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Minonian
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I think you don't know the russian / Ukrainian style organized crime that's the real trouble.
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Yes you are right. I have no time to lose with these people. I wonder on what planet we live sometimes
The truth is, both party have some good point but in overall? The terror will going to happen, if not right now, than 20-30 years later by the first gen. This is bound to be happen. Luckily looks like the immune system of the EU is not down in the level of society but in politics? The current fools leading us, belíve the human good will too much.
It's a grave mistake.
I can life with being a Dangerous Person.
And I know the Difference between Radicals and Muslims.
Unfortunately your not making a Difference there. And thats exactly the Problem.
Unlikely.
As someone in Germany in a city with alot of Immigrants I have quite a bit of First Hand Experience with Muslim Integration.
And one thing has Shown itself very very clearly.
And pls note the Following Text comes from me because I am living down here in a City where we have an very high account of Immigrants. Especially Muslim Immigrants.
I have been living with Immigrants around my Entire Life. Because this Generation you claim to make Trouble in 30 Years. Is exactly the Generation which I grew up with.
So I can tell you something here about them, about their Parents and about their Grand Parents.
(For those that dont know. Back then we had pretty much the same Situation. Well to be Honest this Situation never Really Changed in the last 70 years. At all times somewhere down there Some War was going on From the Israel Arab War to the Terrorism in Lebanon and Syria to Suppression in Countries down there or the First Gulf War between Irak and Iran.. there was pretty much always some conflict of smaller or bigger scale going on... And we had Refugee Waves coming over. It now being an EU Wide Crisis because the EU became a Block is New to this. But before that just with each Country Deciding for itself there was pretty much the same Effects among the Population being Scared for their Wealth etc etc.... and well guess what. We are still here
. And before you say it. Yes the Scale back then was Smaller. But if you remember. So was our Economic Power and our own Population. So the Scale Increased on both Sides.) ok ok enough Disclaimers. getting to the Point.
The Generation growing in Germany is usually much better Integrated into Society than their Parents.
The Trouble Makers are usually the ones which arrive in the Country and Fail to Integrate because they are too used to their own Culture, Language and Values.
For these People being Integrated requires a Great Effort on both their Part and on the Part of the Society and Government (The Older they are the Bigger the Effort Required). An Effort unfortunately too often done only halfheartedly on both sides and then Resulting in People becoming Recluse or staying within their small Communities among themselves.
For the Children however especially the Younger ones and especially for the ones Born here. This is often very Different. As long as the Parents just barely follow the Law even if they themselves have not Integrated at all.
The Children often Integrate into Society and thus start Connecting the People. And many also Connect their Parents to Society then.
For your Info. I grew up in an City which has an fairly high concentration of Muslims. Some of which I got along with and other with which I came to Blows a few times.
But the thing was. The Young People all Spoke German. And while their Grandparents often Spoke not a Single Word German. Their Parents did.
Thanks to that these Children usually became Workers and even Higher Ranked Positions in Companies and Integrated into Society for most part. They from the Start knew only German Culture. And most of em tend to be Appalled if they Learn about the Laws often being Enforced in their Home Countries.
I can tell you this.
In 30 Years. 99% of the Foreigners which actually ended up staying here and which are below 40 Years old at this Point. Will be Integrated Parts of Society most of which you wont be able to tell Apart from your own Countries People on the Street (Culture wise of course. You.ll always tell apart an African from a German due to obvious Skin Color Difference xD )
And furthermore their Children which will be born in 10-30 Years are usually already in a Stage where they already hardly know their own Countries Culture anymore. This is the People which will usually start Referring to themselves as Germans. And which very often dont even Speak their Native Language anymore.
Also as this came up often.
The Group of 18-25 Year old People usually Integrates pretty good as well. They are nowhere close to the Next Generation which Grows up here and thus for most Part only knows our Culture to begin with. And thus usually only gets slight Differences.
But they are still managing to Integrate for most Part. They are the People who in 30 Years will for most Part Speak an fairly broken German because they often only did a Halfhearted effort on learning it. And often tend to continue speaking their Home language if they got People of their Home Country around. But they still usually get a Job and Earn Money as well as holding true to most of the Laws. And pls note yes Most of the Laws not because they on Purpose refuse these Laws but simply because thanks to their Halfhearted Integrationg effort they often end up misunderstanding the Laws.
But as I got many of these around. I can tell you. While they often are Strange in some ways due to having habits and ideas you wont find in your own Culture. They are still normal Humans which, albeit badly, speak German and obey the Law as far as they understand it. Which usually can come down to minor trouble. But will not result in any Bigger Problems.
The Truly Bad Group is actually the Guys 30-40 Years old Now. Because in their case it unfortunately happens very Often that they Refuse the (to them) foreign Culture entirely. They Shut themselves off from Society and this is then usually the Group where you end up with Enclaves which attempt to Govern themselves by the Laws of their Home Country up to the Point that they Deny the Police as far as possible and where stuff like Forced Marriage and Honor Murder happens.
This is usually also the Group which attempts to prevent their Younger Family from Integrating.
Gladly these will become an very very small Minority in the next 30 Years and around this time they usually start to Dissappear.
Just to give ya an Small Info on this Matter from the Viewpoint of someone who Grew up in a City which had alot of Immigrants.
Greetz Sun
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You should stop fantasizing and taking your desires for realities
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True! And they are also begin used to their own cultural environment.
You talk too much.
Hopefully that he is not going to comment on this new information
----- A Syrian asylum seeker, has killed Sunday, a woman and wounded two people with a machete in the center of the city of Reutlingen in Germany .
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