UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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Sorry Rizal, get bleary-eyed reading these posts some nights and miss things.

I genuinely know next to nothing about how to use forums. I'm not even sure how the heck everyone quotes everyone else.


But, I've thought from the start Merope was a giant instance. (Purely out of ignorance to the contrary).
 
The following is just my theory - make of it what you will.


I've been following the discussion here with keen interest, and since the discovery of the Spectrogram from the UP there's been one thing that has always bothered me...


The most prominent feature of the image is the central sphere (which it clearly is) and has four clearly defined parts to it - upper left (UL), upper right (UR), lower left (LL) and lower right (LR). the corners have symbols, that people have proposed are some kind of binary count.

It strikes me however that the UR symbol is very different from the others, and I've puzzled as to why.

Because the other 3 symbols fit neatly into a binary count of 3 significant digits with 'dots' and vertical lines, some have assumed that the UR Symbol is the same, with dot, line, line - and this left the two curved liines being assumed to be part of the sphere's quadrant.

However I am wondering if the curved lines are part of the symbol - how does that fit? Well, staring for far too long at the image, I wondered if the two vertical lines at the right of the UR symbol were NOT two distinct lines, but to signify a ' - a 'NOT-line' if you will.

This then could mean that the two curved lines represent a 'NOT-curve'. So perhaps the entire UR symbol means: Not-curve, dot, Not-line. By doing this each symbol could have three parts.


Then it struck me - what if the symbols don't represent a point in space, or a (3D) bearing from one point to another, but actually represent the three possible ACTIONS one may do in a ship in space - namely Rotate, Yaw and Pitch.

Perhaps the UR symbol tells us two things at once, first that the order of the 3 actions are in fact Rotate, Yaw and Pitch? Secondly that the UR symbol means no rotation, no pitch but definately to Yaw.

That then leads on to the thought that the dot is positive, and the line is negative...and each of the symbols mean that (from a designated point), we must:


UL: Rotate and Pitch
UR: Yaw only
LL: Yaw and Pitch
LR: Rotate and Yaw


This then begs the question how far for each of these actions? Well each quadrant perhaps gives us the clue?


UL: Rotate and Pitch : 90 degrees each
UR: Yaw only : zero degrees (I know) - no effect
LL: Yaw and Pitch : 30 degrees each
LR: Rotate and Yaw: 48 degrees each (I believe someone else has mentioned that angle from the 'north' as being 138 degrees, so subtract 90)


If each of these actions were taken from a specific point, then perhaps our ship would then pointing in a specific direction which we must extrapolate to another star/system?

What point to start from? Well, if Merope 5C is so special, the only two points we can determine with any certainty is either the north or south poles.

What direction to start from? I originally thought about pointing to Merope the star, but this might change over time, but as Merope 5c is tidally locked (I believe!) to Merope 5, perhaps it is that. Is that always be a constant direction?


Anyway, this might be a lot of tests, and my head hurts so if anyone wants to try it out...?


Commander Thoron
(probably suffering space-sickness)
 
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I still can't believe nobody has taken the short trip to the Merope nav beacon and honked the flipping UP by it, if this is some kind of navigational aid it's a no brainer to try. Unless no UPs exist anymore, of course.
Does Merope have a NAV beacon? No settlements, so I'm not sure why it would.
 
Sorry Rizal, get bleary-eyed reading these posts some nights and miss things.

I genuinely know next to nothing about how to use forums. I'm not even sure how the heck everyone quotes everyone else.


But, I've thought from the start Merope was a giant instance. (Purely out of ignorance to the contrary).

you hit the button that says reply with quote. It's kinda hard to see way over there next to the reply button
 
For what it's worth I would just like to point out that in all my exploring and I've done quite a bit of it:

Systems visited 11,914
level 3 scans 93,611

In the last eight months I've yet to find another 14% metal content rocky body orbiting a secondary gas giant or dwarf. They are usually somewhere between 3.0 to 9.8% and the 14% are only found around other rocky or metallic planets. So Merope 5c is extremely unique. I would say that 5c was possibly captured at some time.

This can also be inferred from its odd orbital inclination. The two other satellites of Merope 5 have a nearly flat inclination, while Merope 5C is around 75 degrees if I recall correctly.
 
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I still can't believe nobody has taken the short trip to the Merope nav beacon and honked the flipping UP by it, if this is some kind of navigational aid it's a no brainer to try. Unless no UPs exist anymore, of course.

Finally we found the CMDR that has access to all the hidden Nav beacons in the 399.999.999.900 uninhabited star sytems. What a lucky day!

Glad that my lurk mode now again seems to work. Good luck to all ....

Edit: nailed by Jmanis ... I'm far to slow ;-)
 
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This. Merope has no nav beacon.


Thalium and tantanlum deliveries to maia may get the ant hill mob to expand to merope it only makes sense, but with most leaving merope now and checking the UA bubble, now we know merope 5c has nothing to do with the UP thing going forward it will soon be a ghost town anyway
 
The following is just my theory - make of it what you will.


I've been following the discussion here with keen interest, and since the discovery of the Spectrogram from the UP there's been one thing that has always bothered me...


The most prominent feature of the image is the central sphere (which it clearly is) and has four clearly defined parts to it - upper left (UL), upper right (UR), lower left (LL) and lower right (LR). the corners have symbols, that people have proposed are some kind of binary count.

It strikes me however that the UR symbol is very different from the others, and I've puzzled as to why.

Because the other 3 symbols fit neatly into a binary count of 3 significant digits with 'dots' and vertical lines, some have assumed that the UR Symbol is the same, with dot, line, line - and this left the two curved liines being assumed to be part of the sphere's quadrant.

However I am wondering if the curved lines are part of the symbol - how does that fit? Well, staring for far too long at the image, I wondered if the two vertical lines at the right of the UR symbol were NOT two distinct lines, but to signify a ' - a 'NOT-line' if you will.

This then could mean that the two curved lines represent a 'NOT-curve'. So perhaps the entire UR symbol means: Not-curve, dot, Not-line. By doing this each symbol could have three parts.


Then it struck me - what if the symbols don't represent a point in space, or a (3D) bearing from one point to another, but actually represent the three possible ACTIONS one may do in a ship in space - namely Rotate, Yaw and Pitch.

Perhaps the UR symbol tells us two things at once, first that the order of the 3 actions are in fact Rotate, Yaw and Pitch? Secondly that the UR symbol means no rotation, no pitch but definately to Yaw.

That then leads on to the thought that the dot is positive, and the line is negative...and each of the symbols mean that (from a designated point), we must:


UL: Rotate and Pitch
UR: Yaw only
LL: Yaw and Pitch
LR: Rotate and Yaw


This then begs the question how far for each of these actions? Well each quadrant perhaps gives us the clue?


UL: Rotate and Pitch : 90 degrees each
UR: Yaw only : zero degrees (I know) - no effect
LL: Yaw and Pitch : 30 degrees each
LR: Rotate and Yaw: 48 degrees each (I believe someone else has mentioned that angle from the 'north' as being 138 degrees, so subtract 90)


If each of these actions were taken from a specific point, then perhaps our ship would then pointing in a specific direction which we must extrapolate to another star/system?

What point to start from? Well, if Merope 5C is so special, the only two points we can determine with any certainty is either the north or south poles.

What direction to start from? I originally thought about pointing to Merope the star, but this might change over time, but as Merope 5c is tidally locked (I believe!) to Merope 5, perhaps it is that. Is that always be a constant direction?


Anyway, this might be a lot of tests, and my head hurts so if anyone wants to try it out...?


Commander Thoron
(probably suffering space-sickness)

I agree that the lines look a lot like 90 degree arcs, and then one seems to be a range so you only have to be at 45 degrees within 15 degrees either way. Like you say, there's no obvious order to do it in, no obvious place to start or orientation to start from. It does look like a series of moves to me, too, though. Either rotation or just travel on the surface of a sphere which is a similar thing.
There's so many possible interps, if we do it this way we just need to come up with a list of possible sequences and then just do them all.
And, if you need a UP to do it you're screwed because we don't have enough to be doing long lists of tests like that.

so- if you don't need a UP to test it, go test it.
If you do need a UP to test it- you are best off to go get one or go find a new source, or if you aren't levelled enough to get one, go grind rank and $$

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... now we know merope 5c has nothing to do with the UP thing going forward it will soon be a ghost town anyway

We know this now? got a link?

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I still can't believe nobody has taken the short trip to the Merope nav beacon and honked the flipping UP by it, if this is some kind of navigational aid it's a no brainer to try. Unless no UPs exist anymore, of course.

It's hard to believe impossible things. I know some people manage it but most can't.
 
Quick thought - if these are instructions to something out there waiting to be found, honk frequently and often, even if you already know all the bodies in a system. Whatever might be being pointed to might respond.
 
Heh, so something just crossed my mind. Wonder if honking the UP once it's jetted out of a convoy cargohold would help or hinder securing it :D

hah it would probably be a good video either way

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Quick thought - if these are instructions to something out there waiting to be found, honk frequently and often, even if you already know all the bodies in a system. Whatever might be being pointed to might respond.
^^^^^^this.
I'm sure the NPCs hate me cause I drive around with my honker going all the time, but that's what they get for chain-interdicting me
 
I'm pretty sure the whole ordeal of everyone being in the same instance is just a bug. I was there for a while and it never happened for me.
 
Hey everyone. Checked the UP experiment list. Has anyone taken the UP to Maia and honked it at the black hole? I know it's a long shot, but the thargoids DID travel long distances somehow. Also, has anyone taken it to T Tauri?
 
Helo guys look what I found!

eykMlLR.png


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voskhod_Spacecraft_"Globus"_IMP_navigation_instrument
 
That is the inclination.

Look carefully at which plane the different angles are in.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_of_periapsis


No, the inclination is the straight angle between ref plain and ...well inclination. the argument is the curved angle, as is demonstrated on that pic when talking about peri and the argumant of latitude is measured along the orbital path so it is not the same angle as inclination, thats why I said curved angle.

Edit: I realise angles are by nature curved but the laguage should be suficcient, even though I'm half asleep, to indicate what I mean along with the pic you posted.

When describing an orbit and you have a 0 figure you fall back on the next measurable so because the orbit has no eccentricity you measure backwards from the movement/pisitional vecotr to the next clearly defined measurement in this case you substitute it with the arguemtn of latitude, which is not the same as inclination and measures along the orbital curve between plane of ref and peak of inclination.

If this doesn't make sense I'll try again when my heads not befuddled by medication tomorrow :)
 
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