UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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I am only looking at the crater due to the smaller not quiet perfect circle that we have eliminated from our stylized "maps", the smaller darker inner crater is offset from the middle just as in the stereograph and this crater because the probe points back to Merope 5C. I'm following the breadcrumbs, if I'm wrong.. then I'm wrong. All 4 steps are explained, simple and quickly testable.

I like your theory. It totally could be it. The 2 quadrants to the left could be ejecta in a strewn field


The new station t hey are building in the pleades if you look at the direction from the galactic plane on the side it sort of looks like a similar angle.


But is FD giving us a hint at the new CG???

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A friend just had another idea:
"What if these sound bytes we have which appear to be noise need to be tilted in order to be seen as an image."

http://img.ifcdn.com/images/54e24c67d002976ccc54d6564d4a4c257222d5d81f6fb58cca142180ca2796b4_1.jpg

Yeah I've tried this a few different ways, including doing a 3d transform on the image to simulate tilting the whole thing 'away' from me.

I couldn't see anything, but it doesn't mean it's not worth someone else ha ing a shot at it.
 
This possibility concerns me.

The diagram on the right remains stubbornly unsolved and has had very little attention.

As it's become clearer through many cmdrs sterling work it increasingly looks like it's not pointing to Merope 5c to me. Is it a ringed giant with two co-orbiting moons? It is a co-orbiting pair like the outer planets of Merope, but with one giant and er ...?

Certainly doesn't look like a ship icon to me anymore - but it's too distinct to be being ignored.

I don't think it's a diagram of Merope 5c either, and haven't done for a while.

The UAs never emitted anything to do with Merope (unless you dropped one in system during its nearest-object/system name morse code evolutionary step), and yet it pointed at it the whole time it drew your ship or morsed out some other location.

Now the UP points at one of the planets there, there's no reason why it would suddenly break from the tradition set by the UA and start describing about 5c specifically. Equally - if it was doing that - then how would it get its scan data from other systems?

I can't help thinking now that the UP does have a morse message we've yet to hear, and that'll give us a system name, or something, to which the diagram will serve as a partner piece.
 
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I don't think it's a diagram of Merope 5c either, and haven't done for a while.

The UAs never emitted anything to do with Merope (unless you dropped one in system during its nearest-object/system name morse code evolutionary step), and yet it pointed at it the whole time it drew your ship or morsed out some other location.

Now the UP points at one of the planets there, there's no reason why it would suddenly break from the tradition set by the UA and start describing about 5c specifically. Equally - if it was doing that - then how would it get its scan data from other systems?

I can't help thinking now that the UP does have a morse message we've yet to hear, and that'll give us a system name, or something, to which the diagram will serve as a partner piece.
I kinda suspect they've tired of the morse, this is all about symbols

If it was intending to indicate Merope 5c why would it need a system diagram of any sort? It's already pointing at it - we were already looking long before we activated it. I think the pointing is telling us where to find them if anything and 5c will be the centre of some kind of shell. Were I not on some kind of extended shore leave I'd be finishing my travels and seeing what there is far out from merope within it's own system to find free-floating UPs I think, then slow flying to the shell and twice it's radius.

But which planet is it pointing to?? I'd want to check the other Pleiades first and I'd probably be hoping to find a co-orbiting pair with a landable planet and a gas giant which has it's own co-orbiting pair of moons.... i dunno that still feels awkward. Somehow it must involve somewhere you can pick out a singular body from the diagram and it presumably must be a landable body to well er.... gameplay

I kinda suspect once we find the right body this could become much clearer as the landmarks and bits in the central diagram will line up rather than this all getting to the point of tea leaves
 
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Whatever your theory might be - the idea is that the circle and symbols mean something.

Lets just review the numbers generated by the circle

The circle has a radius of 1 second (This doesn't seem to be a coincidence)
the circle has a circumference of 6.24 seconds
The circle is divided into quadrants.
a radius line is in the bottom right quadrant dividing that quadrant in 2
A line is drawn parallell to the circumference in the top left quadrant
two lines intesect the circumference from outside the circle. this marks an area of 1/12 the circumference. (0.52 seconds)
If you take the 0 as the top these lines represent, 4/12 to 5/12 pf the total circumference. If you take )
If you take 0 as the conventional right side they mark 7/12 to 8/12
If you take 0 as the radius line they represent 17/24 to 19/24 as fraction of the circumference

In terms of trigonometry
the radius line has x axis point of + 0.707
the radius line has a y axis point of - 0.707

the two line intersecting circumference in bottom left quadrant have tangent of -0.64 and -2.24 respectively
they have an x axis point of -0.54 and -0.91 respectively
they have a y axis point of -0.84 and - 0.41 respectively

Whatever theory turns out true at least some fact of these numbers would be relevant. THe fact that the representation seems to be a unit circle suggests this is a puzzle to solve before applying to any geographical features.
 
But which planet is it pointing to?? I'd want to check the other Pleiades first and I'd probably be hoping to find a co-orbiting pair with a landable planet and a gas giant which has it's own co-orbiting pair of moons.... i dunno that still feels awkward. Somehow it must involve somewhere you can pick out a singular body from the diagram and it presumably must be a landable body to well er.... gameplay

I'm suspicious the series of vertical lines after the initial noise spike (see my post above) may be nebula spectral emission or absorption lines. Been very busy RL wise but I'm trying to tease out a mapping (basically it's a time stamp to wavelength mapping). It's a great way to finger print a unique nebula. Unfortunately it's a heck of a lot easier to pick a nebula and encode it than it is to reverse the process and map the lines to a specific nebula. But if such a mapping exists it will be unique.

http://astronomyonline.org/stars/hiiradiation.asp?cate=stars&subcate=st02&subcate2=hiiradiation

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If you take the voyager disc as an example the concept is to use part of the message to generate more information.

You need a symbol for the form the data will take (In voyager disc this was a circle on a square - the first image seen when decoded)

YOu need instructions - usually a frequency - to manipulate the data to obtain the message.

Given the artefacts have communicated in morse - perhaps the top left symbol - is the form the message takes - ie . | .

The top right signal seems to indicate sound waves.

THe left panel could signify the form the spectrograph is in - a line drawing with a block below, adjacent to the block is a dot suggesting the message is within the audio under the diagram.
|.. and ..| are miirror images of the form the data takes suggesting the message is within that range.

The circle than should be instructions to decode the block of audio below the line diagram - and this is where i am stuck! How does that circle correspond to data manipulation . If its instructions for a Fourier-Bessel transform i am well out of my depth! Is there some simpler aspect of the direct fourier transform that generates spectrographs that could use the numbers of the unit circle? Is there a sound engineer out there we can speak to?

Apologies if this is all said before somewhere in the 8 threads.
 
here is another theory what it the UA got the morse from us via a UP that passed by earth 1000 years ago (in game). and the reason the probes point back to merope is because the are heading away from it as probes should do.
 
Whatever your theory might be - the idea is that the circle and symbols mean something.

Lets just review the numbers generated by the circle

The circle has a radius of 1 second (This doesn't seem to be a coincidence)

The circle has a radius of .8 seconds +/- a bit (resolution isn't accurate below that)
 
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Hello, long time lurker here, just wanted to throw a few ideas out after reading the amazing (and sometimes mad scientist level) work being done here.

Just going back to basics, the "Unknown Probe" is a probe, which to me seems to say it's looking for something. When we honk at it, maybe it amplifies the scan and looks for what it was programmed to look for. What that is, I don't know. It does strike me that the convoys carrying the probes talk aboutt orbital testing. Why test the probe in orbit around various planets? I remember reading back a ways that a group recorded a different preamble and tail to the UP reply message when scanned in a different area, near a different planet. It was also stated that this may be a "TRUE / FALSE" response, akin to a game of warmer colder.

I did not see it listed on the test google doc anywhere, but I believe the probe should be taken to each orbital body in the Merope system and honked while in orbit, who knows, maybe that's what the Feds are doing.

Thanks for listening to my ramblings, back to lurking ;)
 
Truly random thought given Elite's history.

Any folks here familiar with the ZX Spectrum and how the tape filesystem worked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum_software
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum_software#Basis

I wouldn't put it past DB and MB to encode data in the sound file using the old ZX Spectrum encoding (just f'ing evil if they did).

Hmm, now that first spike, noise, spike part of the image is starting to look like beginning of file, data, EOF marks, errggg.


That is one brilliant idea..... How do we test it!
 
Truly random thought given Elite's history.

Any folks here familiar with the ZX Spectrum and how the tape filesystem worked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum_software
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum_software#Basis

I wouldn't put it past DB and MB to encode data in the sound file using the old ZX Spectrum encoding (just f'ing evil if they did).

Hmm, now that first spike, noise, spike part of the image is starting to look like beginning of file, data, EOF marks, errggg.



Maybe if we run it through an emulator

http://www.zxspectrum4.net/emulator.php

That would be hilarious - elites hisotry with zx spectrum and it may generate a coordinate system on the surface!!!!
 
Rambling Thoughts

I wasn't getting anywhere on the symbols, so I went back to basics to try and see if there was meaning there... forgive the rambling, but maybe someone will read this and see what I've missed?

  • UAs appear in a shell around Merope, and point towards or away from it, depending on your point of view.
  • They scan nearby ships and send a signal with an image of the ship.

Are they sending that image to Merope?
Or are they just looking for something and talking to themselves about what they see? (Kinda like I'm doing here).

  • Meanwhile we have these spooky ships showing up, such as around Obsidian Orbital.
  • And now we have the wrecked singing ships.

Are these what the UAs are looking for?
Or is the UA scanning our ships, and making copies of them, and the spooky ships are the copies?

Are the UAs a halo of probes looking for something?
A defense/scanner perimeter?
Or are they actively on their way out from Merope making copies as they go?

  • Now we have the UP.
  • But we don't know where they come from, all we know is that they're found in convoys that refer to "orbital testing".
  • They too point towards/away from Merope, specifically 5C.
  • When scanned, they respond with a cryptic message that seems to be akin to the message on our own space probes.

I'm trying to reconcile the two objects.

If the UAs are looking for a particular kind of ship, why send the UPs with a message?
Likewise if the UAs are cloning ships, why send the UPs with a message?

And that's just assuming the message is something abstract.

If it's a description of a location, why would you want people to come to you if your previous actions were either to be looking for something, or cloning things...

If the UAs were looking for a ship, did they find it? Are the UPs now sending a message to that ship? In which case, weirdly, it's not the message we need to know, but where the convoys are getting the UPs from, since that's where the ship the UAs were looking for will be. Maybe that's the only way to get the complete message?

If the UAs are making the spooky ships, then what are the UPs for?!

If the UAs aren't making the spooky ships, are *those* what they're looking for?
 
I'm just saying people shouldn't feel they've been offered their hat because their computer isn't good enough, they're in a rural area or something. I genuinely believe we're just missing things for being too obvious.


...I'm going to give up on English and make a language all of my own

I'm perplexed this statement. I can do this work on a 10 year old mac mini I just have laying around. Audio spectra don't require a beefy computer. I know that not everyone in the world has a computer but it seems weird that they'd be able to play Elite and not also have a computer. What does a "rural area" have to do with anything? Anyway, perhaps I've taken your comment out of context and if I have, I pre-apologize. I just didn't get it.

or get a shieldtank chip the sield of the python down hachbreaker, collector the probe and fsd out

maybe we coud get an aswer out of the feds why they are trying to take controll of merope if we ua bomb sol
Is your keyboard broken? Not trying to make fun, especially because I know we have an international group here, but maybe slow down and try to get all the letters in?

This raises the question, "Has anyone tried feeding them?" Which leads to... "Has anyone tried feeding these?

Also maybe try feeding them in close proximity to one another?
I don't know exactly what you mean by "feed" but the Unknown Artifact has been placed next to *literally* every commodity in the game, pre 2.0 I believe. Fish were one of the first things tried.

Anybody got an idea what USS we are looking for for free-floaters? (description/threat level)
Convoy Dispersal Pattern (Threat 4)

Well, we can't know that yet. All we know is that they ARE pointing at 5c and on 5c is a gigantic crater. Not unique in all of space but unique on 5c. It is therefor fair to assume that it is an important location of note until we figure out otherwise.

Science is running with your best idea until it is proven wrong by the forces of the universe. If we find proof that the crater is pointless then we will abandon it. ''What If...''s are not going to sway people alone.
Problem is you can have ideas that can't or won't be proven wrong.

So I extrapolated every symbol in that spectrogram from the station sound:

https://s31.postimg.org/i31675ie3/code.png

This is only one of each symbol. Some of them are repeated occasionally, suggesting a code of sorts.
It really frustrating how much it looks like letters but also doesn't.

Whatever your theory might be - the idea is that the circle and symbols mean something.

Lets just review the numbers generated by the circle

The circle has a radius of 1 second (This doesn't seem to be a coincidence)
the circle has a circumference of 6.24 seconds
The circle is divided into quadrants.
a radius line is in the bottom right quadrant dividing that quadrant in 2
A line is drawn parallell to the circumference in the top left quadrant
two lines intesect the circumference from outside the circle. this marks an area of 1/12 the circumference. (0.52 seconds)
If you take the 0 as the top these lines represent, 4/12 to 5/12 pf the total circumference. If you take )
If you take 0 as the conventional right side they mark 7/12 to 8/12
If you take 0 as the radius line they represent 17/24 to 19/24 as fraction of the circumference

In terms of trigonometry
the radius line has x axis point of + 0.707
the radius line has a y axis point of - 0.707

the two line intersecting circumference in bottom left quadrant have tangent of -0.64 and -2.24 respectively
they have an x axis point of -0.54 and -0.91 respectively
they have a y axis point of -0.84 and - 0.41 respectively

Whatever theory turns out true at least some fact of these numbers would be relevant. THe fact that the representation seems to be a unit circle suggests this is a puzzle to solve before applying to any geographical features.
Your first statement is false. Had to check this myself on a couple audio files just to make sure. Even if you use the outermost "glow" from the circle as it's edge it's at most 1.8 seconds in diameter/duration.

(on preview I see someone beat me to it)


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Now, while I'm seeing people make accusations, reprobations, and sweeping generalizations, let me make a few statements of my own. I've been following this thread since late in thread 1. It's one of my favorite parts of the game. I've met and talked to a lot of cool and friendly people who consider themselves Canonn and this community has always been a welcome and polite one for me. Now, I see a lot of people getting frustrated about a lot of different things. There are "old-timers" who are getting annoyed at people who are just finding out about this stuff asking the same four or five questions over and over again and let it show. I see people here and on discord wanting somehow to force the story to move forward by whipping everyone into a frenzy about some half-remembered rumor or anecdote that has to be the big break we've been waiting for (I've fallen into this trap myself recently as well), or even just making stuff up for excitement or attention. Finally, there are many people here who think that having some inconsistency in their proposed theory or test pointed out, or even that it was done before, is somehow counter to investigation and testing and not supportive.

About the first two things I don't know that there's much to do other than try to be calm, even-handed, and understanding. In regard to the last point, I think I have rarely, if ever, seen someone on these threads tell someone else that they shouldn't do a test. I don't think I've ever seen someone's theory outright made fun of (other than the fish). We all have fun and crazy sci-fi ideas about what's going on in the game, and criticism and debate are part of hashing those things out with each other. Being a supportive community doesn't mean agreeing with every theory, and having your idea criticized is not the same as being dismissed. Take the criticism, respond to it, or use it to modify your ideas.

Man, that got longer than I meant. I hope any of that was coherent.
 
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