UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

[Seroto]

Something the glyphs around the circle could represent, assuming that they're in binary:

| - - = Hydrogen (1 proton)
- | - = Helium (2 protons)
- - | = Beryllium (4 protons)
- | | = Carbon (6 protons)

So it's the sequence of elements formed in a star.

Can anyone take this further? Maybe it's something like the type of stars barnacles prefer? Or it's just to show that they're aware of this (Voyager record-thing).

To add to this: the UP could be saying: "These are carbon-based lifeforms (the four glyphs), who originate on planets (the globe), who build structures on planets (two bottom left spikes), who also can also fly in the atmosphere (top left curve - yeah, I know), and who can travel off planet (top right double curve). Not sure what the line means!

Right: sorry for quoting myself, I'll shut up now, and apologies if anyone has already come up with this.

 

[GormDeGamle]

Thx.
I still dont get the VSFISFJ = BARNARD thing.
What cypher should that be? Or is it just a guess?

Fact is we don't know!
I assume he used this one: http://rumkin.com/tools/cipher/cryptogram-solver.php
It's working with dictionaries and obviously only tries to find words with the same letter placement.

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But I think it's a little suspicious (if you wrap it up with a little tinfoil)

 

[Edelgard von Rhein]

Having further considered my hunch about there being something to find between 210LY and 240LY from Merope, I think that is too large a region to search - and I don't see why the message would be so vague. I think it might instead be a clue to look for landable planets orbiting between 210Ls and 240Ls from their primary (single) star in the UA shell and to use the discovery scanner near them.
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My thinking is starting to move away from interpreting the image as a message to 'come find us' and instead to 'check out this location'. This may resemble the Voyager Golden Record in some respects but it feels less like an introductory first contact message and more like an alert of some kind.
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If the image is telling us to find something in the UA shell, then that tells us two things: that whoever made this message for us in the UP is less concerned about first contact protocol than showing us something that they themselves only recently discovered (the UA shell only recently expanded out to that distance, as of 1.4) and that they still wish to remain anonymous. This might also imply that first contact is not necessary - that they might already have known about us, either because they are the 'Missing' or through previous encounters (i.e. they are Thargoids).
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Since I also want to get involved in the Jaques CGs, I don't have much time to check the UA shell as I really need to make some adjustments to my Anaconda and do some mining but it is my plan for today. I can burn out easily by not finding anything whenever I go searching to check out my hunches and the Jaques trip is a monster: I don't want to damage my health with the 16-hour slog to get out there. I often feel it might be better to put the game aside for a short while (and whenever I do stay away for a day or two some progress is made) so I can only admire the devotion shown by those out in the Rift or scouring Merope for untold hours. o7!

 

[CrazyGambler]

Did anyone tried to use Data link scanner on UP?
Also where can I find UP, do I have to look for military transport or can I find one floating in space?

 

[Jack Dinn]

Fact is we don't know!
I assume he used this one: http://rumkin.com/tools/cipher/cryptogram-solver.php
It's working with dictionaries and obviously only tries to find words with the same letter placement.

Aye - the ideal would be a solve against a dictionary of named systems, rather than English words. The 1-26 range is compelling, though, especially given the previous UA coding of system names.

 

[Allant Doran]

Did anyone tried to use Data link scanner on UP?
Also where can I find UP, do I have to look for military transport or can I find one floating in space?

The Military Transports are currently the only known method of finding them.

They are believed to be free-floating in space somewhere but cannot yet confirm if they do, or where it might be.

 

[LordZoltan]

How do you get sound above 23k HZ? It's not possible, unless you've modified the files I think. Effects?
It must be artefacts in the way you use Sonic Visualizer. I've used it, but never seen artefacts like that.

Yep - said earlier on - the 'additional details' here are not in the source audio; they're caused by the oversampling.

There is no need for the sound to be sampled higher than 44.1 or, at the very most, 48khz. 48's only used to give a bit of headroom. And then that'll give a frequency range 22.05khz or 24khz because anything else is not needed.

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It depends on the max frequenz you set for makeing the spectogram grafic. I used Audacity and Sonic Visualiser and in both of them i can take a look at the frequenzes above 20kHz. The reason why i do that is. We should take a look at all what is send to us and not only at the things we can hear from the UP.
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But it doesn't mean anything unfortunately - nothing above 22khz or 24khz was there in the first place.

 

[Atebits]

maybe its the elements that form thier kind of life on thier planet. or thier own body.
for us its oxygen, carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen, Phosphorus etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple-alpha_process

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_nucleosynthesis

http://www.atnf.csiro.au/outreach/education/senior/astrophysics/stellarevolution_postmain.html

http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/ast122/lectures/lec16.html


Could be something to this... and possibly a hellishly complex star map.

 

[John Stoutbeard]

It depends on the max frequenz you set for makeing the spectogram grafic. I used Audacity and Sonic Visualiser and in both of them i can take a look at the frequenzes above 20kHz. The reason why i do that is. We should take a look at all what is send to us and not only at the things we can hear from the UP.
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It cannot send anything above the 24k hz anyway.
Might as well use photoshop or paint, flip & duplicate the image. Same effect.
Aka you're producing false data which isn't there in the first place.

 

[DeltaGundam]

Yep - said earlier on - the 'additional details' here are not in the source audio; they're caused by the oversampling.

There is no need for the sound to be sampled higher than 44.1 or, at the very most, 48khz. 48's only used to give a bit of headroom. And then that'll give a frequency range 22.05khz or 24khz because anything else is not needed.

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But it doesn't mean anything unfortunately - nothing above 22khz or 24khz was there in the first place.

In my mind you are wrong about that. Reason why i say that is, i made the spectrogram grafic by myself with the audio files on this site: http://canonn.crystia.com/sounds/up_emp/download.php

It was equal if i used Audacity or the Sonic program. There were always data in the frequenzrang from ~21kHz to 200kHz. Think about the normal radio transmission. No one of them is in the hear able frequenzrange.

At the moment i try to make a grafic/screenshot where i can show you all what i mean.

 

[Matt]

Thx.
I still dont get the VSFISFJ = BARNARD thing.
What cypher should that be? Or is it just a guess?

because V and S are not next to each other like B and A are.
And if the alphabet is completely mixed up we don't have enough information to say it's supposed to mean BARNARD.

Probably just a Caesar cipher which are easy tobrute force. Not sure I believe the rest of their post, but that is likelywhat they are going on.

 

[Rudolphus]

wat if the 45 grade angle is the 1333 Nebula

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

I had a similar experience happen not long ago, I only got 45 seconds of the incident recorded but i thought it odd behavior. Here is the clip if anyone is interested -

https://account.xbox.com/en-us/game...lve&scid=03a80100-9ff3-46ea-be76-e00e7fe465df

I was carrying 10 meta alloy, 2 UA (in palin cargo racks) and 182 structural regulators. Pirate smorgasbord. On my way out to Jaques station, roughly 250 Ly out from the bubble and I was interdicted by a DBX. Submitted and prepared to pop out a minefield when the viper dropped in. It scanned me and then waked out, and I still can't work out why. If it were pirate or security it should have done something right? The whole time the DBX was chipping away at my shields and telling me to drop my cargo, normal behavior. The viper mkIII was weird though.

Anyway, it doesn't really lead anywhere as far as the thread is concerned, maybe if I had a wake scanner I could of followed and discovered something or maybe not. Just thought I would share to show you that you are not going mad haha or at the least you are not the only one

I'm glad it isn't an isolated incident. I think I will re -equip and head back out into the shell to investigate again.

Problem is, there are too many different things I want to do in game atm. This, investigate the Orion nebula again, participate in the CGs at Jacques, and finally get around to my galactic circumnavigation trip (postponed this several times now due in game changes and Canonn breakthrough things).

 

[Layne Vakarian]

Here's a question for you to ponder. Looking at the 'glyph', the oddest thing to me is the two 'spikes' sticking out of the bottom left (assuming it IS the bottom left of course ).
I mean to say: on a 'first-glance' basis, the glyph looks like a radar image. the little icons in the four corners look like, well, four icons. The diagonal line from centre looks like the 'active scan' position of my rotating radar antenna, the 'horizon bar' in the top left I'm less sure of.
But the two 'spikes' are entirely incongruous.
Let's focus on them?
Discuss....

 

[DeltaGundam]

What can not send anything in that frequenzrange above 20kHz? Do you know the transmitting frequenz of you cellphone or of your w-lan? These are things that are sending above that Frequenz. So why you think that the UP is just sending in the frequenz range of that what a human can hear?

 

[Rudolphus]

just downloaded sonic and did put it on log instead of linear, and used the mouse scroll wheel because the circle was more a egg then I did get this, I used the file mhyre_col-192khz.wav

How do you get sound above 23k HZ? It's not possible, unless you've modified the files I think. Effects?
It must be artefacts in the way you use Sonic Visualizer. I've used it, but never seen artefacts like that.

 

[pocketmoon]

Took the liberty of reformatting.

Hey Cmdr Jlnx! This is VERY interesting. I'm not clear on how you get the two sets of messages from the audio. Could run through the steps ( ELI5 )

There is a repeating pair of "message" in the loud pulses. The Frequency diagram for the UP shows audio up to 15K and then a SHARP cutoff and a DISTINCT GAP. Then there is a separate signal between 16K and 17K

You can see the gap in the spectrum

If you apply a 15K high pass filter you get this - a clean, isolated train of pulses

The sequence is made up from two distinct and alternating pulses.

So I'm left pondering; why the clear gap in the frequencies, unless it's to purposefully isolate the "message" ?

check my original post here

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...nonn/page247?p=4292866&viewfull=1#post4292866


Rob / Cmdr Olias

 

[TiberiuS]

Probably just a Caesar cipher which are easy tobrute force. Not sure I believe the rest of their post, but that is likelywhat they are going on.

In the standard Caesar cipher the letters are equally shifted. That excludes Caesar cypher when S and V are supposed to be A and B.

 

[Sterlino]

guys...


...i'm coming home..

there is nothing in elephant nebula.

 

[rizal72]

It seems to me that nobody transcribed the HI LOW PURRS of the UP transmission correctly.
I have limited web connectivity here in this kind of paradise I am now.
Moreover I really think that an UP recording on a planet could not be the same as one made in space, with the 6 minutes time limit.
I'm not asking to let an UP die in the attempt, but I've been able many times to scoop the UP at 1% Because I've kept it close to my scoop while recording.
Decoding the purrs using the glyphs on the drawing, liberate us to give them any meaning apart from being placeholders for the four quadrants. And this is very reasonable in our Alien communicating to humans situation. No conventions used.

Mhyre could you please try to record the UP in space the most that you can? Thanks!

Then I'll try to transcribe the purrs by ear and earphones on my phone: no software is needed for that! And no spectrogram at all!
Just listen, then write | for a hi purr, and - for a low. Could be inverse but who cares. We'll decide later.