UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

[Gimi]

Hello! My new hypothesis:

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[url]http://i.imgur.com/8GHHcFd.jpg[/url]

Interesting. What happens if you do the same but with Merope or Sag A or other "relevant" locations in the galaxy as the centre point.
I somehow get the feeling that using Sol as the centre point is not the way to go.
Equally, for a system of interest (Merope maybe), if someone flew of at a 90 degree angle to the ecliptic for a while and got a shot from above of the whole system with orbit lines and then transposed the image on top of that. Would something line up. Would have to take orbital periods into account on this one though.

 

[Privata]

Hello! My new hypothesis:
http://i.imgur.com/8GHHcFd.jpg

Thats possible , but I dont think the rift has anything to do with this plot

 

[Vent]

Was the UP HONKED before the recording CMDR?

No it was not. Let's see what we get from this one first.

Honking it and then recording for just over 6 minutes will be really cutting it close.

 

[lord_welsh]

Hello! My new hypothesis:
http://i.imgur.com/8GHHcFd.jpg

i think flipping and rotating the image to fit your theory jus doesnt stand for the image should be as is,if you can zoom in on the galaxy
more and get merope inbetween the 2 lower left lines on the sphere and maybe use sol as a centre point i think the direction line will show us the way
im on xbox so cant do it myself

 

[CMDR Davanix]

Hello! My new hypothesis:
http://i.imgur.com/8GHHcFd.jpg

If this where true that would make cygni-x-3 your second line

 

[Brawrz]

Hello! My new hypothesis:
[url]http://i.imgur.com/8GHHcFd.jpg[/url]

Why specifically do you think sag a * and the sol system?

Are there links with the storys you have fit into the picture that we have missed?

 

[marx]

Is there anyone else currently searching for an UP shell around Merope since 2.1.05 hit? I've recently started doing so, although all I found so far were a bunch of encoded SS-es, and two convoys of explorer ships. ("Heading off into the mostly unknown", heh.) I know that people looked for one before, but I'm asking specifically about after the latest patch's release.
In case there isn't a coordinated effort yet, would anyone like to join me?

 

[xcyber]

I found out that the UP message

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http://i.imgur.com/mqZN4pu.jpg

is a secret engineer blueprint

As an engineer, I of course had to try to follow the instructions.

I started by drawing a 135° angle, like on the Blueprint.

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http://i.imgur.com/9yaxnkv.png

Then according to point two, I made a 90° rotated copy.

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http://i.imgur.com/pbGwxln.png

Point three seemingly described a smaller(or bigger?) copy of my current drawing, inside it. I made this:

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http://i.imgur.com/enrpJgb.png

Finally, I mirrored the drawing and added the connecting lines for each quadrant like it's described in point four.

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http://i.imgur.com/GehZtFr.png

The problem is that I have no idea what this is. A slightly odd biscuit is most likely, but it could also be some kind of focusing crystal?

Please help.

Oh what if this is key to all mystery?

 

[rizal72]

No it was not. Let's see what we get from this one first.

Honking it and then recording for just over 6 minutes will be really cutting it close.

I agree. I cannot rep you from the phone, so have my respect.

 

[DialBforBiscuit]

If this was done and I missed it, sorry in advance.

Assumption: The UP image is made of different layers of information. The circle graph, the 'Golden Disk' Binary numbering, and quadrant symbols.

Hypothesis: The symbols and corresponding/label binary numbering have meaning separate from the graph. In other words, moving them around will make sense in some way.

Test: I did some terrible looking chicken scratch placing the individual symbols in different orders with two different rules. I copied and cropped from a single image so all the symbols are proportional. Rule one (Left side of image), the symbols orientation is how we look at it in the image. Rule two (right side of image), the symbols orientation needs to be rotated as if all occupied the same quadrant at the same time.

My chicken scratch:

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Findings: No idea. Besides shoving them all together to make pretty pictures, can't tell if it means anything. Combining them does show a line (1) hitting the horizion (2), and you can make a cylinder with the two lines (4) and two arcs(3). The smaller of the double arcs (3) fits on the little end of the two lines (4). The larger of the two arcs (3) fits on the wider ends of the two lines (4).

If a more artistic person wants to redo this to make it less of an eye sore, I won't mind.

 

[adrinker]

Why specifically do you think sag a * and the sol system?

Are there links with the storys you have fit into the picture that we have missed?

This is the type of clue you can expect from FD: "Here is where the aliens are, somewhere amongst these hundred million stars - right on commanderrrrrrrrrrrrr"

 

[Belthize]

There's been a variety of theories floating around that use the first quadrant line as an angle. This really came to a head for me with Han Zen's drawing (which was admittedly cool) where it was set to 135 and a number of people clued into it.

I'd like to propose an actual experiment in crowd sourcing to determine if there is an angle there. I see 3 probable interpretations for that line.

1. It's supposed to represent 'radius', the angle is completely meaningless and the line was put in that quadrant to move it away from the other marks
2. It's supposed to artistically represent '45' degrees or 135 depending on where you start.
3. It's supposed to represent a precise angle.

The latter interpretation is what's at issue here. I'm not convinced we can reliably measure that angle to much better than 1 degree resolution but crowd sourcing studies have shown that a sufficiently large group of people can increase precision in noisy signals. If that line does represent an actual angle we need the precision to sub 1 degree accuracy or we'll just end up with a hopelessly large search volume (see Raiders of the Lost Ark and sticks that are too long). So what I propose is at least 10 and preferably 30, 50 or even 100 people measure that angle and send me the result via the following mechanism.

1. Grab an audio file, it doesn't really matter which one, that part of the pictograph is stable across all recordings that we've seen, in fact it would be best if we didn't all use the same one.
2. Grab a protractor image (google image search protractor, there are tons)
3. Grab some free audio software like audacity, load the audio, set the frequency range to something like 0 to 20KHz (doesn't matter all that much), set the scale to Log or Mel (you pick but use the one you think provides the most circular result) and zoom in and stretch till you have a fairly circular image
4. Do a screen grab, overlay the protractor and measure the angle. Do Not bias your results, if you think it should be X because it fits your theory and you measure X.Y then report X.Y not X.
5. Don't bother recording to sub 10ths of a degree, if you post X.YZ I'll round to the nearest 10th to ensure we get reasonable binning, if we go to 100ths we'd need hundreds of tests.
6. PM me your result and whether you used Log or Mel scaling. The Log/Mel results will help inform which one is probably the more correct.
7. Do not post your result to avoid biasing others. Do not post whether folks should use log or Mel.
   

After a week or so or once I get a statistically significant sample I'll report the findings. It may be there will be a clear 'favorite' at some 10th of a degree precision. We can then look to see if that angle is scientifically interesting (there are some angles in the 139 +/- 1 degree range that are interesting).

Note this is not proof that option 3 is the right interpretation, it's just evidence of what option 3 should be perceived as in terms of an angle if it is the right interpretation. It won't even be fact, it will just be a 'preferred' measure at some level.

Since this post is likely to be buried in the next hour, if you're interested in taking part try to get others in your group, whether it's the Canonn, CoR, My Pretty Pony Flying Death Dealers, Reddit or whatever to also report findings, the more the better.

 

[CMDR Phylax]

If this was done and I missed it, sorry in advance.

Assumption: The UP image is made of different layers of information. The circle graph, the 'Golden Disk' Binary numbering, and quadrant symbols.

Hypothesis: The symbols and corresponding/label binary numbering have meaning separate from the graph. In other words, moving them around will make sense in some way.

Test: I did some terrible looking chicken scratch placing the individual symbols in different orders with two different rules. I copied and cropped from a single image so all the symbols are proportional. Rule one (Left side of image), the symbols orientation is how we look at it in the image. Rule two (right side of image), the symbols orientation needs to be rotated as if all occupied the same quadrant at the same time.

My chicken scratch:

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http://i.imgur.com/OLCyLOK.png

Findings: No idea. Besides shoving them all together to make pretty pictures, can't tell if it means anything. Combining them does show a line (1) hitting the horizion (2), and you can make a cylinder with the two lines (4) and two arcs(3). The smaller of the double arcs (3) fits on the little end of the two lines (4). The larger of the two arcs (3) fits on the wider ends of the two lines (4).

If a more artistic person wants to redo this to make it less of an eye sore, I won't mind.

These seem to look like the infected station spectro signals.

 

[Arguendo]

Hello CMDRs. I have performed a 6 minute recording of an Unknown Probe floating in deep space in Merope. This is not a free floater.

Video: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByjRgR8QCf9YX3BwZUl2NTZSc0U/view?usp=sharing
Audio Only: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByjRgR8QCf9YdEhzbnZnOHV0MHM/view?usp=sharing

Greetings from the Children of Raxxla.

Thanks for the upload. For some reason I can't use the .wav file. It tells me it's corrupted when trying to download it, so I used the sound from the video.
The first noticable purr is at 23 seconds as far as I can tell, and the classified enhanced sound doesn't start until almost a minute into the recording. If anyone can hear anything let me know. Here are two different transcripts with different symbolics.
1. - = High, l = Low. (I believe RiZ@L usually does the opposite, that follows below)
l l - l - - l l - l l - l l - - l - l l - - l - - l l - l - - l - l - l - l l - - l l - l l - - l l - - l l - l - l l - - l - l l -

2. l = high, - = Low
- - l - l l - - l - - l - - l l - l - - l l - l l - - l - l l - l - l - l - - l l - - l - - l l - - l l - - l - l - - l l - l - - l

So there are 66 purrs in the sequence and NO HONKS! The latter is definetely interesting, to me atleast. That means there is another way to differentiate between sequences. Below I have tried to note the times between each purr. It fluctuates a bit, but maybe this can be used for a pattern. Remember, this is spacing between the purrs, so there will only be 64 of them, and they are approximated to nearest 1/2 second.

8.0 9.5 6.5 6.0 4.0 4.5 6.5 5.0 4.5 3.5 3.0 5.0 6.0 5.0 6.5 5.5 6.0 6.5 8.0 7.0 4.0 6.5 4.0 4.0 5.0 6.0 5.5 5.5 6.0 4.0 6.0 6.5 6.0 6.5 6.5 6.0 4.5 5.0 3.5 5.0 6.5 7.0 6.0 4.0 6.5 4.5 4.0 4.0 5.0 6.0 6.0 6.5 4.5 6.0 4.0 5.5 7.0 6.0 6.5 4.0 4.0 5.5 6.5 6.0

I really can't see a pattern here, as the times fluctuate between 3.0 and 8.0 seconds. I also can't spot a repeating pattern in the purrs either.
Be advised though, we are missing about 17 seconds of audio from release until first clear purr is heard (I believe there is a LOW at around 14 seconds, but I can't be sure whether there is something in between due to the thrusters). As the first clear purr is at 0:23 seconds and it is scooped at 6:28 we should have a full set of 6 minutes. The UP also had 6% life left when scooped as far as I could tell. We do however not have any real proof of the signal repeating itself, as the closest we can get is that the last three are the first three, which would fit if the LOW at 14 seconds is the only one before that.

I do believe we need a longer recording of a Free Floater, to make sure there is a repeating pattern here. Another option would be to set up a second commander 150m(?) below the one with the UP and be ready in Classified Cam Mode to record. This will take some trial and error though.

I have purposefully ignored the chirps. Someone else can transcribe those

EDIT: Missed a page of intervals between purrs. Added

EDIT 2: Graph showing intervals between Purrs

Spoiler

 

[CMDR GTR2014]

Thanks for the upload. For some reason I can't use the .wav file. It tells me it's corrupted when trying to download it, so I used the sound from the video.
The first noticable purr is at 23 seconds as far as I can tell, and the classified enhanced sound doesn't start until almost a minute into the recording. If anyone can hear anything let me know. Here are two different transcripts with different symbolics.
1. - = High, l = Low. (I believe RiZ@L usually does the opposite, that follows below)
l l - l - - l l - l l - l l - - l - l l - - l - - l l - l - - l - l - l - l l - - l l - l l - - l l - - l l - l - l l - - l - l l -

2. l = high, - = Low
- - l - l l - - l - - l - - l l - l - - l l - l l - - l - l l - l - l - l - - l l - - l - - l l - - l l - - l - l - - l l - l - - l

So there are 66 purrs in the sequence and NO HONKS! The latter is definetely interesting, to me atleast. That means there is another way to differentiate between sequences. Below I have tried to note the times between each purr. It fluxuates a bit, but maybe this can be used for a pattern. Remember, this is spacing between the purrs, so there will only be 65 of them, and they are approximated to nearest 1/2 second.

8.0 9.5 6.5 6.0 4.0 4.5 6.5 5.0 4.5 3.5 3.0 5.0 6.0 5.0 6.5 5.5 6.0 6.5 8.0 7.0 4.0 6.5 4.0 4.0 5.0 6.0 5.5 5.5 6.0 4.0 6.0 6.5 6.0 6.5 6.5 6.0 4.0

I really can't see a pattern here, as the times fluxuate between 3.0 and 8.0 seconds. I also can't spot a repeating pattern in the purrs either.
Be advised though, we are missing about 17 seconds of audio from release until first clear purr is heard (I believe there is a LOW at around 14 seconds, but I can't be sure whether there is something in between due to the thrusters). As the first clear purr is at 0:23 seconds and it is scooped at 6:28 we should have a full set of 6 minutes. The UP also had 6% life left when scooped as far as I could tell. We do however not have any real proof of the signal repeating itself, as the closest we can get is that the last three are the first three, which would fit if the LOW at 14 seconds is the only one before that.

I do believe we need a longer recording of a Free Floater, to make sure there is a repeating pattern here. Another option would be to set up a second commander 150m(?) below the one with the UP and be ready in Classified Cam Mode to record. This will take some trial and error though.

I have purposefully ignored the chirps. Someone else can transcribe those

also, would be good to have a diferent ship record the same audio lenghts, and the same ship record it again(ex. 2 ASP recording , 2 DBS Recordings) so we can see if the ships produce an diference between the sounds , and we can use the second recording as a prove that it does indeed have the same audio all the time (for the same ship , or for any ship)

 

[CookieJarviz]

So apparently. the BBC wanted to use my video of the probe EMP recording... so i said they could.

 

[Darrell]

So apparently. the BBC wanted to use my video of the probe EMP recording... so i said they could.

Nice one CMDR o7

 

[Vent]

I agree. I cannot rep you from the phone, so have my respect.

Thank you. To be honest I don't think I deserve that much credit. I was simply incredibly lucky with finding my probe. The time I spend preparing and performing these experiments are small compared to the amount of work others do in analyzing these data.

Thanks for the upload. For some reason I can't use the .wav file. It tells me it's corrupted when trying to download it, so I used the sound from the video.

Someone else notified me about that just now too. It should be fixed now. I edited my original post with a new link to the audio only file, or you can click here.

EDIT: To comment on the missing classified camera audio at the start of the recording. I have thought about how to solve that and have come to the conclusion that I can't do any better than this even with another CMDR helping me. This is because that the UP floats away after jettissoning and its speed will gradually decrease over time. So even if you had a second CMDR waiting below the ship jettisoning the UP, it will still have to chase down the UP and deaccelerate with it. As this maneuvre is impossible to do in classified camera mode even with FA-Off, I don't think we can do any better than this. It might be possible to reset the transmission of the UP by honking it and then recording. But then again, at the moment we don't even know whether the idle transmission is random or not.

EDIT2: Now that I think about it again. It may be possible to position another ship directly below the ship jettisoning the UP and let the UP crash into the other ship. I am not sure how much damage the UP will take from that, but it will likely not be a 6 minute recording anymore.

 

[Mr_Zeno]

http://imgur.com/a/PAnqS

Spooky... It even has an alien head in the cloud to show it's real

 

[Arguendo]

Thank you. To be honest I don't think I deserve that much credit. I was simply incredibly lucky with finding my probe. The time I spend preparing and performing these experiments are small compared to the amount of work others do in analyzing these data.

Can you add some more information about where you found it? The UP Locator Spreadsheet hasn't been updated in a while, but I know there are a couple of UPs that have been recovered since the last one that was reported here. If it's in one of the "known spots" and everything else is the same for the system, then all we really need is Date of recovery, # of CMDRs in Wing when found, highest ranking CMDR in Wing, and any additional info that is relevant.
Thanks!

Someone else notified me about that just now too. It should be fixed now. I edited my original post with a new link to the audio only file, or you can click here.

Downloading. Thanks again