UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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Sorry I'm interrupt the UP tinfolery with an UA/Barnacle related thing :)

In this thread Commander Artigan99 found a ship wreckage and there were "spooky" sounds. He also put a video footage and as you can check it sounds like the UA. He was in Omega 1 Aquarii 3 coords 86.72 / -165.15 . You will identify immediately the spooky sounds as UA sounds (~0:25 and ~1:05 for example).

I've checked the spreadsheet but there is only one Barnacle + Anaconda (in Pleiades Sector JC-U b3 2 1). Can be another one? I can't check it by myself right now (I'm on Jaques Station)

Thanks :)
 
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Since I can't plat at the moment, I'll upload some of the other images I've captured. These pattern sometimes follow terrain and other times ignore it entirely. Hopefully someone can clear this up. I'll include the first image I took from ground level, if you look hard enough you'll see the outline of the center of the big laser beam like picture.

This one has something strange looking on top.
http://i.imgur.com/IGsHzud.png

This one is ground lvl of the center of the laser like image
http://i.imgur.com/0H3b9Bk.png

A Square object in a flat area with a small line shooting off
http://i.imgur.com/ryaFfMW.png

Something smaller detailed undernear the crater at top left
http://i.imgur.com/SqLKcJ1.png

No clue but it's distinct
http://i.imgur.com/joXd7Ex.png

That's all I got for now, I'll head back out later when I get a chance. If anyone wants to clean these up id say the first one is the most important, if it has what I think it has shown in it. Thanks for humoring me guys. I really think this is something big. The terrain/contour line theory doesn't stick in my mind with these shapes.

Here are the filtered images



0H3b9Bk.jpg


IGsHzud.jpg


joXd7Ex.jpg


SqLKcJ1.jpg


Catch you later.
 
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I'm still skeptical about the 5-bit sub-division of the purrs. If we ignore the howls, all the purrs seem equally spaced. All sub-divisions should be considered possible. My listening skills are poor (not better after the local punk rock festival this weekend), so I can't really back up this claim. :)

I'm still skeptical too. I am wondering if it's more like a protocol, where there are certain patterns for "start/stop" and "end of word" etc. I am thinking that the chirp word --- might be such. If so we could have a set of galactic coordinates here.
 
There is such a deep lesson in that phrase alone!

And despite it being said so many times in so many different ways, there are square pegs still being successfully stuffed into round holes!

Genius.


I was a bit lucky with the 135° angle.



Or wasn't I?..................
 
Yes, sort of. Those frequency ranges are in the human speech range so any modulated signal in those ranges will encourage interpretation as 'voice' since our brains are wired to convert signals in those ranges to interpreted message. Some more than others.

I say 'sort of' because of course any actual voice recording would be in those ranges so the presence of signal there could obviously be real voice. But it's very unlikely since it's so vague as to be open to interpretation, it's not really possible to clean it up and the resulting 'messages' don't convey any meaning. Now if 60% of the people heard "map is centered on Merope5c" that would be different.



It's not a lack of interest, it's a lack of signal. I've personally spent a lot of time trying to clean that section up. In terms of audio content it's noise and in terms of pictographic content it's the equivalent of seeing a cheeto in the shape of Jim Morrison's head. That's not to say there's nothing there but if the only posts we have are 'is there something there' I'll come down on the side of 'no'. If somebody posts an actual something then great.

That's all very well, but you cant deny that there are some very compact areas in there that have nothing to do with the image above. The "Voice" if you want to call it that comes from those dark bits.
 
I'm still skeptical too. I am wondering if it's more like a protocol, where there are certain patterns for "start/stop" and "end of word" etc. I am thinking that the chirp word --- might be such. If so we could have a set of galactic coordinates here.

You read my mind. :)
 
Sorry I'm interrupt the UP tinfolery with an UA/Barnacle related thing :)

In this thread Commander Artigan99 found a ship wreckage and there were "spooky" sounds. He also put a video footage and as you can check it sounds like the UA. He was in Omega 1 Aquarii 3 coords 86.72 / -165.15 . You will identify immediately the spooky sounds as UA sounds (~0:25 and ~1:05 for example).

I've checked the spreadsheet but there is only one Barnacle + Anaconda (in Pleiades Sector JC-U b3 2 1). Can be another one? I can't check it by myself right now (I'm on Jaques Station)

Thanks :)

Thanks for observing it.
Please see here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ing-we-cannot-stop-them-and-we-need-your-help!
It's a well known wreck with a UA.
Spooky sounds and all - not leading us further for now.
 
I spent a bit of my lunch hour thinking about the UP spectrographic analysis image. I haven't been keeping up with this thread but I figured it wouldn't harm to bung my ideas here on the off chance that they trigger a light-bulb moment for someone with more knowledge.

So, treating the -|-, -||, |--, --| markers in the 4 corners as binary 001 (1), 010 (2), 011 (3), 100 (4) then each of the four corners of the image can be given a number (the order in which to utilise their clues perhaps?). Taken individually each corner could then be some kind of icon/infographic as to how to go about finding a location on the planet (Merope 5C?).

(3) Parp the discovery scanner?
ta4OD7T.png


(2) Get an echo from the planet?
957Fqb9.png


(1) Follow a bearing?
SwxSpKO.png


(4) Narrow your search? (reminds me of the way the progress of a wake scan is shown on the HUD as the bars move inwards)
9aBa40g.png


Sorry, that's all I've got so far but like I say ... it might inspire someone.
 
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I was a bit lucky with the 135° angle.



Or wasn't I?..................

Nope, not luck. 135 is practically guaranteed to make a regular shape when combined with 90 and mirrored. There's the minor problem that 135 falls outside the range of measuring precision for the image (should be about 139 +/- 1 degree, 2 at most).
 
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Regardless of whether or not the answer is on the surface or in space, do we know if the UP is required for the next step (ie key)? Or is it just pointing us in the correct direction (ie Map)?

It would be nice to know that all my time (probless) isn't in vain

Fly Safe
 
Hello CMDRs. I have performed a 6 minute recording of an Unknown Probe floating in deep space in Merope. This is not a free floater.

Video: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByjRgR8QCf9YX3BwZUl2NTZSc0U/view?usp=sharing
Audio Only: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByjRgR8QCf9YdEhzbnZnOHV0MHM/view?usp=sharing

Greetings from the Children of Raxxla.

I suspect many of you missed this HUGE gift CMDR Vent made us!
Time to transcribe the purrs! I cannot from my phone!
Was the UP HONKED before the recording CMDR?

I found out that the UP message
is a secret engineer blueprint:eek:

As an engineer, I of course had to try to follow the instructions.

I started by drawing a 135° angle, like on the Blueprint.

Then according to point two, I made a 90° rotated copy.

Point three seemingly described a smaller(or bigger?) copy of my current drawing, inside it. I made this:

Finally, I mirrored the drawing and added the connecting lines for each quadrant like it's described in point four.


The problem is that I have no idea what this is. A slightly odd biscuit is most likely, but it could also be some kind of focusing crystal?

Please help. :D

I love you Han, your is the best interpretation so far. And it could be the right one! According to the previous UA mystery at least, where a simple drawing was the result of the instructions.

Actually, stanza 8 is - - - _ _ . So yeah, you do have 000/111 (depending on if you think high is 0 or 1).

Also, chirp-set #7 (first one in stanza 3) is three high chirps in a row.

What I am noticing is that the chirp-sets in the first seven stanzas are only comprised of a limited set of words:
(a) _--
(b) --_
(c) -_- (annoyed gamer trying to solve this puzzle)
(d) --_-- (very annoyed gamer trying to solve this puzzle)
(e) ---

Most, but not all, of these chirp-words are accompanied by either a high or low purr that happens just before, during, or after the word.

So for example in the first stanza we have the following sequence:
- high purr
- (a) + low purr
- (b) + high purr
- high purr
- (c)
- low purr

It seems pretty clear that the purrs somehow modify the chirp-words to expand their meaning somehow. If these are binary numbers, perhaps it's just another digit, or perhaps it's a negative or positive sign. If they are complex numbers, perhaps it's whether or not i is involved. Who knows.

I've mapped out all the chirps and purrs through #8, and I'm halfway through mapping the chords that accompany each section. It could be the chord changes indicate the beginning or ending of a given number.

But what is troubling to me is that the symbols from our main diagram do not all match the chirp-words. For example if the higher tone is equal to | in the diagram, then -|| matches (a), but, |-- has no match, -|- has no match, and --| has no match! Meanwhile if the lower tone is equal to | in the diagram, then |-- matches (a), -|- matches (c), --| matches (b), and only -|| has no match. Based on that it seems likely that at least when it comes to the chirps, the lower tone should be interpreted as | in the diagram. (That kind of makes sense, since the lower tone has longer wavelengths, and | is a longer symbol than -).

So then, to what can we match -|| (high-low-low)? If we use the purrs for that, then we'll have no problem, because the high-low-low pattern appears four times (if we ignore the barrier between stanzas) and three times if we don't. Even if we take purrs and nearby chirps together as words, we still have the high-low-low purr pattern occurring twice without interruption from chirps (if we ignore the barrier between stanzas) and once if we don't (at the beginning of stanza 5). This would make -|| the odd man out, but that might also explain why it has the two arcs symbol next to it: that could mean, "map this symbol to the purr words instead of the chirp words", if the double arc represents the purrs. And why not, since they are longer wavelength sounds?

The real oddities are stanzas 7 and 8.

Stanza 7 has only one chirp-word, (e), which means ZERO if this is binary. That could be an "end of message" marker.

Then stanza 8 has a weird chirp-word of _--- followed by ---- which are non-standard words according to the first seven.

Kloopy performed a similar analysis on a space recording of the UP. But I think he did not include the purrs or the chords into the equation, and he over-analyzed certain anomalies in the chirps, I think, misinterpreting as signal what was really noise in a few places (like his "L" symbols, which you can tell are a product of noise because the L bit only shows up on one of the two stereo channels).

Vitamin, you are awesome and I love your research. But it is far too complicate! That's why some of us are taking just the purrs, they can be easily spotted by ear. Anyway I love your science.

It seems to me that the real science is done in late evening/night here... While in the morning people are still hearing voices and seeing images.
Are the Americans better then us then? :D I do my science 24 hr a day, however :)
 
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Yes, sort of. Those frequency ranges are in the human speech range so any modulated signal in those ranges will encourage interpretation as 'voice' since our brains are wired to convert signals in those ranges to interpreted message. Some more than others.

I say 'sort of' because of course any actual voice recording would be in those ranges so the presence of signal there could obviously be real voice. But it's very unlikely since it's so vague as to be open to interpretation, it's not really possible to clean it up and the resulting 'messages' don't convey any meaning. Now if 60% of the people heard "map is centered on Merope5c" that would be different.
Spot on, there's nothing there.

The multiple UP signals overlaid animation is quite interesting as it's then very clear what is message (stationary) and what is game noise (moves).

If I had one question to ask Mr Brookes at this point it would be are you satisfied with the imagery we've gotten out of the signal? I think it's a yes, don't think there's more to see or hear in the transmission.
 
There is a high chance that han is right.
I do have mixed feelings on it however.

If it is just that : a picture of a thargoid ship.
That is both something that builds up hype in my eyes , but is a bit of a let down at the same time.

If FD said the UP is a key , does that mean its the key to finding the picture thats inside , or that there is something more to do with it yet?

Lore wise , it seems that it scaned us , has all sorts of data on us.
I think the ex federal president might be a fake human (because she seems to preach from the 3rd person perspective)
Or just had her life changed by what she saw.

I think what ever they are , maybe they are not going to be hostile to everyone , only those who have done one of the things the ex president said was bad
 
I found out that the UP message
is a secret engineer blueprint:eek:

As an engineer, I of course had to try to follow the instructions.

I started by drawing a 135° angle, like on the Blueprint.

Then according to point two, I made a 90° rotated copy.

Point three seemingly described a smaller(or bigger?) copy of my current drawing, inside it. I made this:

Finally, I mirrored the drawing and added the connecting lines for each quadrant like it's described in point four.


The problem is that I have no idea what this is. A slightly odd biscuit is most likely, but it could also be some kind of focusing crystal?

Please help. :D

I have to voice some serious concerns over all this.

1) I'm not even 100% sure that Han is being serious (but this is for anyone that thinks he is).

2) To someone who didn't already know what they were trying to create, the instructions: draw a line at 135°, rotate it 90°, make a smaller/bigger copy, add some connecting lines, could end up with sooo many different shapes that it just seems like a terribly vague way to communicate.

3) If they can encode drawings in their sound, why encode easily misinterpretable instructions on how to draw another shape, when they could just encode the shape itself?

If this turns out to be THE SOLUTION (and, with all due respect to Han, I really hope it's not) then FD are buffoons of the highest order (sorry).
 
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Hi guys. Loving the thread :)

May I present my antidote for all those scientists tired of driving around and around on Merope 5c....... The Orbital Aliens Theory

I'll start with a picture to build the excitement a little:


(Note, the audio-image isn't mine, I just shamelessly pilfered it from the first page to scribble on)

Proposal in brief:
Panel 3 - appears to show a system-map showing a planet/star with three planets/moons orbiting it, with a UP/UA/spaceship above. Somewhat similar to the Voyager system map which shows the Sun as a large square with smaller squares for the planets. (Merope 5 or Merope 3 ?).

Panel 4 - calculates a number, starting from an existing, and observable, orbital radius (Merope to M5 or M3 ?), and indicates two fixed reference points that will be needed to orient ourselves. (The two galactic clouds would be good reference points as they are fixed relative to the Merope star, and highly visible)

Panel 5 - appears to show a 'polar' orbit using a radius calculated from Panel 4, at 90 degrees to a plane marked by the two reference points.

Panel 1 & 6 - A little vague, but could be two views looking inwards across the Galactic disc, from slightly different angles, possibly to identify the location of Merope? Each set of curved grid-lines appears to be centred on a point away to the top right of the view.

Panel 2 - Who knows? Could contain data in that block of 'noise'.

If we throw some numbers at panels 4, we could get something like:

Step 1 - Radius from Merope to Merope 5 = 5090ls (ish)
Step 2 - Quarter circumference = 2 x 5090 x 3.142 /4 = 7996
Step 3 - Half circumference (2x quarters) = 2 x 7996 = 15992
Step 4 - Use the two galactic clouds (Magellanic Clouds?) as references

Moving to Panel 5, starting from a plane centred on Merope and orientated with the two Magellanic Clouds positioned horizontally at 90 degrees to our left, we have a 'polar' orbit at radius 15992ls at 90 degrees to the clouds.

Testing: Pick suitable system objects for A, B, and 2x References, calculate orbit and fly round it to see what you find.
EDIT - I think it only makes sense to choose the Merope star as the centre of the orbit and two objects outside the system as reference points, everything else in-system will move over time, relative to each other.

Possible Result: Discover alien spaceship/base/probe/something orbiting [alien]

Discuss :)

I can tell you all that in the part that is market as Panel 2 are data contained and that are lots of them. We need to find the Key for this data region in the message. In my mind i think about like it was done by the arecibo message. Prime numbers 23 and 41 as i think. But it will take this week or maybe the next week till i can make a better scan on this data files.
 
I found out that the UP message
is a secret engineer blueprint:eek:

As an engineer, I of course had to try to follow the instructions.

I started by drawing a 135° angle, like on the Blueprint.

Then according to point two, I made a 90° rotated copy.

Point three seemingly described a smaller(or bigger?) copy of my current drawing, inside it. I made this:

Finally, I mirrored the drawing and added the connecting lines for each quadrant like it's described in point four.


The problem is that I have no idea what this is. A slightly odd biscuit is most likely, but it could also be some kind of focusing crystal?

Please help. :D

Nice job. Looks just like the old ED thargoid ships:

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/elite-dangerous/images/d/d6/Thargoid_ship.gif/revision/latest?cb=20130112101421

Potentially an easter egg.
 
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