UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn
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I came here excitedly asking for help with the research. I don't believe for one second that I could solve this mystery myself. I just wanted to draw attention to something I thought could help the cause. I don't think it's a far stretch for a "probe" to be sent somewhere to scan a planets surface for clues. That's what we use probes for more or less. Glassing planets is a thing in Elite lore, perhaps they also etched a message on the surface. Doesn't seem too far fetched to me.
Everyone is approaching this from different angles (some code, some music, "take pictures of their ships shadows") who am I to say their approach is wrong when I myself don't even know the answer. I'm just saying that instead of making a laughing stock out of someone trying to help, perhaps we'd get further actually trying to exhaust their theory rather than dismissing it.
Lastly, Ive seen plenty of graphics glitches and these are too subtle imo. I still believe something is there although I won't be posting anymore pictures. I'm just suggesting that some one actually go to the coords I posted previously and look. Maybe take a screen shot and up the contrast. Pictures here don't show how apparent these things are. That's why most can't see anything. Sorry if I offended anyone that was not my intention.
Everyone is approaching this from different angles (some code, some music, "take pictures of their ships shadows") who am I to say their approach is wrong when I myself don't even know the answer. I'm just saying that instead of making a laughing stock out of someone trying to help, perhaps we'd get further actually trying to exhaust their theory rather than dismissing it.
Lastly, Ive seen plenty of graphics glitches and these are too subtle imo. I still believe something is there although I won't be posting anymore pictures. I'm just suggesting that some one actually go to the coords I posted previously and look. Maybe take a screen shot and up the contrast. Pictures here don't show how apparent these things are. That's why most can't see anything. Sorry if I offended anyone that was not my intention.
Dude you're fine. It's just my opinion it's prolly a graphics artifact because I saw a similar thing at the south pole which looks like a perfect square. Also, MB said the diagram is a space puzzle, so I doubt ground anomalies would be relevant.
But I will check out this region you are talking about to see if the same effect happens on XBOX. Either you are on to something, or, we should make a bug report. Either way it's worth investigating
What are the coordinates?Thank you kind sir. -28.1990 -157.4042 0.136Dude you're fine. It's just my opinion it's prolly a graphics artifact because I saw a similar thing at the south pole which looks like a perfect square. Also, MB said the diagram is a space puzzle, so I doubt ground anomalies would be relevant.
But I will check out this region you are talking about to see if the same effect happens on XBOX. Either you are on to something, or, we should make a bug report. Either way it's worth investigating
Generally speaking they're most visible at 2-3km above while inverted. You'll see thin lines connecting images over the span of miles. They may follow terrain or completely ignore it. I just appreciate getting another set of eyes out there.
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Oh and just to caveat. I know some will say that it's supposed to be space related not surface related. I understand completely. I think if these are images that the probe will have to be dropped above them from space to read it.
I wouldn't sweat it much. Nobody has posted a theory since right after the first recording that wasn't half baked. Some have a veneer of structured argument but all of them either are missing a key ingredient (like a fixed reference) or willfully ignore all the counter arguments.
To be clear, I'm skeptical of your findings, but it doesn't matter, most everyone will be skeptical of any thought not their own because to date we have exactly 0 real findings. It would be semi-irrational to *not* be skeptical.
So what I would suggest, which would strengthen your argument, is to fly to some other random coordinate and very carefully reproduce what you did. Be brutally honest with yourself while doing it, if you see the same thing, it's a graphical anomaly, come back and report it as such (and maybe file a bug report) and move on. If on the other hand you don't see the same pattern then that's evidence (but not proof). Repeat 2 or 3 times and if you continue to not see anything then go back to the original coordinates and repeat.
If you then see something again (and be honest with yourself, it's easy to bias your own opinion) then report that as a confirmation of sorts. The somebody will very likely go check themselves (I would for instance out of curiosity).
Lots of folks parrot words about 'science' here but for the most part that's not what they do. It's mostly a function of who posts the most and promotes their theories, not who's the most rigorous and actually tries to disprove their *own* theories. Promotion only plays a role in science during grant writing, don't do grant writing.
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Just another theory to add (sorry i know there are heaps) but i am also trying to keep things simple.
I believe its fairly well accepted that the markets below equal 1, 2, 3 and 4 (correct me if i am wrong)
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From my knowledge and research is that the Thargoids are known to exist in witch space, which require us to charge our frame shift drive and await a countdown that counts down from 4 seconds. I am wondering if there is a link to the countdown and the numbers given by the probe, maybe indicating we need to make a very specific jump. The reason I give this theory and make the link is it appears the probe is examining our navigation systems and using that to send a message so to me it seems logical that if you wanted to tell us "hey you need to make a hyperspace jump" it could use the count down timer to indicate that.
This theory like all comes with need of testing and 1 thing i havent seen done yet (it may have been though) is it possible to scan it with a Wake Scanner. In addition this theory isn't complete, I haven't address what the other items within the message could mean, i am still working on this. But its a theory i haven't seen yet, so feel free to blow it out the water.
I believe its fairly well accepted that the markets below equal 1, 2, 3 and 4 (correct me if i am wrong)
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From my knowledge and research is that the Thargoids are known to exist in witch space, which require us to charge our frame shift drive and await a countdown that counts down from 4 seconds. I am wondering if there is a link to the countdown and the numbers given by the probe, maybe indicating we need to make a very specific jump. The reason I give this theory and make the link is it appears the probe is examining our navigation systems and using that to send a message so to me it seems logical that if you wanted to tell us "hey you need to make a hyperspace jump" it could use the count down timer to indicate that.
This theory like all comes with need of testing and 1 thing i havent seen done yet (it may have been though) is it possible to scan it with a Wake Scanner. In addition this theory isn't complete, I haven't address what the other items within the message could mean, i am still working on this. But its a theory i haven't seen yet, so feel free to blow it out the water.
Dont stress mate, there tends to be a bit of frustration going around in this thread when we hit a bit of a wall. We all go there, we all get cranky and sometimes come across a tad harsh, but it is nothing personal. Just look at me, crazy wannabe triffid farmer, I just want to grow a damn barnacle
I'm regards to your images, I can clearly see what you are referring to, one has a sort of diamond shape at the top, actually looks a bit like the symbol on the meta alloy pods. However I just find it hard to sign up to the theory that they are relevant. I could very well be wrong (wouldn't be the first time and wouldn't be the last).
One thing that got me thinking about what you did with the filter to get those images, the UA gives off a greeny distortion cloud (real scientific term I know haha). I wonder if looking through the cloud at the same part of the planet would reveal the same image without using external tools? Or even something else? It wasn't something I had considered before now but it may be something worth looking into? Maybe having the light of the star shining through the distortion field of a UA would reveal something amazing, like the discovery of how light splits when shone through a prism?
Is Merope 5c tidally locked to Merope 5, or some other celestial body?
Yeah, to the star
Hmmm had missed this nifty tidbit of historical back-filling: The Origin of the Pilots Federation
Interesting that Galnet is controlled by them .... and the Pilots Federation answers to NOOOO ONEEEE
What if they are secret Thargoid Collaborators ??!! (cue dramatic hamster)
The Pilots Federation, Thargoid Collaborators you say ? Aren't we all members ... Don't we all have their equipment in our ships ?
Thats the beauty of it ...
Interesting that Galnet is controlled by them .... and the Pilots Federation answers to NOOOO ONEEEE
What if they are secret Thargoid Collaborators ??!! (cue dramatic hamster)
The Pilots Federation, Thargoid Collaborators you say ? Aren't we all members ... Don't we all have their equipment in our ships ?
Thats the beauty of it ...
Nobody Expects the Pilots Federation! (cue guys in red) Muahahahahaha!
Thank you, Keybuk, I was confused.
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I tend to think the sphere shape is a closest match to the in ship direction finder (problems with the meridians make it hard to believe its a planet)
If this is the case the radial line in bottom right quadrant may indicate direction (rotation)
The line above the circle in the top left quadrant could indicate - rotation anticlockwise
The markers in the bottom left quadrant seem to be a range. Since the circle takes 5 seconds to rotate (0.2 Hz) the range would indicate 4/12 to 5/12 of this rotation.
(14 secs for a rotation)
The |.. and ..| are similar to the onscreen indication of engaging fsd, ( 4 dots in the countdown)
Now, in old versions of elite you entered witch space by rotating anticlockwise as you jumped
Jacques station rotates anticlockwise at 14 sec per rotation - and misjumped when full of UA or UPs etc....
I tried rotating anticlockwise in jumps in and out of merope and nothing.
So - Testable Hypothesis
scoop up UP
rotate anticlockwise at 1 rotation per 14 seconds and jump
and i hypothesize you will end up in witch space.
Can someone with a UP give it a go?
If this is the case the radial line in bottom right quadrant may indicate direction (rotation)
The line above the circle in the top left quadrant could indicate - rotation anticlockwise
The markers in the bottom left quadrant seem to be a range. Since the circle takes 5 seconds to rotate (0.2 Hz) the range would indicate 4/12 to 5/12 of this rotation.
(14 secs for a rotation)
The |.. and ..| are similar to the onscreen indication of engaging fsd, ( 4 dots in the countdown)
Now, in old versions of elite you entered witch space by rotating anticlockwise as you jumped
Jacques station rotates anticlockwise at 14 sec per rotation - and misjumped when full of UA or UPs etc....
I tried rotating anticlockwise in jumps in and out of merope and nothing.
So - Testable Hypothesis
scoop up UP
rotate anticlockwise at 1 rotation per 14 seconds and jump
and i hypothesize you will end up in witch space.
Can someone with a UP give it a go?
I really like this wake scan idea! I havent seen anyone post this test yet.. (good chance iv missed it) But this could potentially give us a point of origin or at least a point of reference.
yeah those numbers, maybe not in that order though. I kept thinking about the 4 3 2 1 jump thing, partially because of people saying the direction indicator compass thing looks like the probe picture, mostly because of reading the threadnaught while exploring and hearing the countdown over and over. Problem is there's nothing solid past that to land on.
Also you cannot scan UP with wake scanner.
Someone oughta do this cause it's easy to cross off the list and unless you do all your testing in the convoy signal area, you're gonna jump somewhere, right. Just roll left the next time you jump.
Good catch that Jaques was turning when it misjumped lol.
And the best part- you put the key in and turn it
Hi guys. Loving the thread
May I present my antidote for all those scientists tired of driving around and around on Merope 5c....... The Orbital Aliens Theory
I'll start with a picture to build the excitement a little:
(Note, the audio-image isn't mine, I just shamelessly pilfered it from the first page to scribble on)
Proposal in brief:
Panel 3 - appears to show a system-map showing a planet/star with three planets/moons orbiting it, with a UP/UA/spaceship above. Somewhat similar to the Voyager system map which shows the Sun as a large square with smaller squares for the planets. (Merope 5 or Merope 3 ?).
Panel 4 - calculates a number, starting from an existing, and observable, orbital radius (Merope to M5 or M3 ?), and indicates two fixed reference points that will be needed to orient ourselves. (The two galactic clouds would be good reference points as they are fixed relative to the Merope star, and highly visible)
Panel 5 - appears to show a 'polar' orbit using a radius calculated from Panel 4, at 90 degrees to a plane marked by the two reference points.
Panel 1 & 6 - A little vague, but could be two views looking inwards across the Galactic disc, from slightly different angles, possibly to identify the location of Merope? Each set of curved grid-lines appears to be centred on a point away to the top right of the view.
Panel 2 - Who knows? Could contain data in that block of 'noise'.
If we throw some numbers at panels 4, we could get something like:
Step 1 - Radius from Merope to Merope 5 = 5090ls (ish)
Step 2 - Quarter circumference = 2 x 5090 x 3.142 /4 = 7996
Step 3 - Half circumference (2x quarters) = 2 x 7996 = 15992
Step 4 - Use the two galactic clouds (Magellanic Clouds?) as references
Moving to Panel 5, starting from a plane centred on Merope and orientated with the two Magellanic Clouds positioned horizontally at 90 degrees to our left, we have a 'polar' orbit at radius 15992ls at 90 degrees to the clouds.
Testing: Pick suitable system objects for A, B, and 2x References, calculate orbit and fly round it to see what you find.
EDIT - I think it only makes sense to choose the Merope star as the centre of the orbit and two objects outside the system as reference points, everything else in-system will move over time, relative to each other.
Possible Result: Discover alien spaceship/base/probe/something orbiting [alien]
Discuss
I was thinking the exact same thing earlier today. Perhaps the UP ambient message provides some finer-grained instructions along these lines. After all, real life space probes operate on a set of instructions that get executed in a particular sequence. These instructions might be things like, "Turn 90 degrees. Thrust for 5 seconds. Turn 45 degrees. Scan object." Etc.
Now that I think about it, the lower-left symbol could mean "thrust" as it looks like stuff spraying out of your engine. Meh. I like it lining up with the clouds better
Perhaps the chirp words and purrs are instructions that correlate with positions along a flight path. They are the instructions that the UP ran to get to where it is now. So if we reverse engineer these instructions we'd know where it came from.
But I think your interpretation is very plausible. We should certainly investigate this.
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I like this... it's a fresh idea. We should try it.
Cool good to know its been tried.
I shall get back to being quiet and watching what the smart people do/say/find
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Cool good to know its been tried.
I shall get back to being quiet and watching what the smart people do/say/find
Hi B3N5OR - I saw you in merope the other night - i reckon our next job is to find a UP for ourselves and do some tests!
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