UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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Arguendo

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Kerrec Snowmane said:
Yes, but this theory assumes this information is being SENT somewhere. Whoever or whatever receives it has to be able to know that:
System A has only 1 star. The same 3 bit sequence repeats itself forever.

System B has 2 stars. The same 3 bit sequence repeats itself forever.

OOPS, see how the two above are the same thing?

Example in english:

UP transmits: STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR (for 6 minutes or however long it goes on for) This is a 1 star system.

UP transmits: STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR (for 6 minutes or however long it goes on for) This is a 2 star system.
For the theory to work, it needs to be:

UP transmits: STAR, STOP, STAR, STOP, STAR, STOP, STAR, STOP. This is a 1 star system.

UP transmits: STAR, STAR, STOP, STAR, STAR, STOP, STAR, STAR, STOP. This is a 2 star system.
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Can't rep you again :(
Good example.
 

CFF

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Kerrec Snowmane said:
Yes, but this theory assumes this information is being SENT somewhere. Whoever or whatever receives it has to be able to know that:

System A has only 1 star. The same 3 bit sequence repeats itself forever.

System B has 2 stars. The same 3 bit sequence repeats itself forever.

OOPS, see how the two above are the same thing?

Example in english:

UP transmits: STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR (for 6 minutes or however long it goes on for) This is a 1 star system.

UP transmits: STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR (for 6 minutes or however long it goes on for) This is a 2 star system.

For the theory to work, it needs to be:

UP transmits: STAR, STOP, STAR, STOP, STAR, STOP, STAR, STOP. This is a 1 star system.

UP transmits: STAR, STAR, STOP, STAR, STAR, STOP, STAR, STAR, STOP. This is a 2 star system.
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Yes, I understand the argument, but it's based on the assumption no other information from the UP, such as its galactic location, is getting sent. We can't necessarily make that assumption. We don't even know where the UP information is getting sent, or even if it's just a 'bug' created when we honk it.
 

CMDR Boozeman

CMDR Boozeman
Ironhide Wrex said:
I don't know if it is a bug. They've been gone since the last update as far as I could tell. I think they are supposed to have moved to HIP 17225 to where the Federation is trying to build an outpost. But I didn't notice an obvious "Capital Ship" target when I was there either, so I don't really know what they are up to.
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We shall see some Farragut wrecks in Merope Soon(tm) Wrecks with some data beacons with those "Unknown ship signature detected / What are they? / Incoming! / All ships ready to ..." messages

Hrrrrrrr! <evil grin> :D
 

Kerrec Snowmane

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CFF said:
Yes, I understand the argument, but it's based on the assumption no other information from the UP, such as its galactic location, is getting sent. We can't necessarily make that assumption. We don't even know where the UP information is getting sent, or even if it's just a 'bug' created when we honk it.
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I am just pointing out what needs to be true for DP's theory to work. I am not claiming DP's theory is correct. I do think it is very plausible and the best theory I've seen so far.
 

Matt

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Kerrec Snowmane said:
For the theory to work, it needs to be:

UP transmits: STAR, STOP, STAR, STOP, STAR, STOP, STAR, STOP. This is a 1 star system.

UP transmits: STAR, STAR, STOP, STAR, STAR, STOP, STAR, STAR, STOP. This is a 2 star system.
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Not necessarily. There could simply be another code/grouping/pattern/whatever you want to call it for a binary star.

We need more UPs to do any proper testing so.u until then we're stuffed.
 

Han_Zen

Han_Zen
Kerrec Snowmane said:
Yes, but this theory assumes this information is being SENT somewhere. Whoever or whatever receives it has to be able to know that:

System A has only 1 star. The same 3 bit sequence repeats itself forever.

System B has 2 stars. The same 3 bit sequence repeats itself forever.

OOPS, see how the two above are the same thing?

Example in english:

UP transmits: STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR (for 6 minutes or however long it goes on for) This is a 1 star system.

UP transmits: STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR, STAR (for 6 minutes or however long it goes on for) This is a 2 star system.


For the theory to work, it needs to be:

UP transmits: STAR, STOP, STAR, STOP, STAR, STOP, STAR, STOP. This is a 1 star system.

UP transmits: STAR, STAR, STOP, STAR, STAR, STOP, STAR, STAR, STOP. This is a 2 star system.
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Unless it goes:
UP transmits: STAR........................................................................6min. This is a 1 star system.
UP transmits: STAR, STAR...............................................................6min. This is a 2 star system.

Which is most probable, if we are dealing with a fixed transmission lenght as described in the patch notes.

Eiter way. Pri 1 is to get a recording from a single star system. Then go on to other simple systems.
 

SpaceWalkerEx

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Kerrec Snowmane said:
I'm starting to agree that there has to be a beginning and end marker to the message for DP's theory to be possible.

Case in point:

System has 1 star, nothing else.
System has 2 stars, nothing else.
System has many many stars, planets, asteroids, moons, etc... I've personally honked systems with 90+ bodies in it. I've read of others finding systems with 120+ bodies.

Questions:

1) How to differentiate between a system with 1 star or 2 stars or n stars (with nothing else) when your signal just repeats without a beginning or end marker?
2) Is 6 minutes long enough to transmit the complete system information for a system with 90+ bodies in it?
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I'm actually quite a fan of this theory, but Kerrec Snowmane is definitely right...
this doesnt fit...
 

Kerrec Snowmane

K
Han_Zen said:
Unless it goes:
UP transmits: STAR........................................................................6min. This is a 1 star system.
UP transmits: STAR, STAR...............................................................6min. This is a 2 star system.

Which is most probable, if we are dealing with a fixed transmission lenght as described in the patch notes.

Eiter way. Pri 1 is to get a recording from a single star system. Then go on to other simple systems.
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If this was true, then every recording in the same system would always start the same way. I'm pretty sure this has been proven to not be the case.

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Matt said:
Not necessarily. There could simply be another code/grouping/pattern/whatever you want to call it for a binary star.

We need more UPs to do any proper testing so.u until then we're stuffed.
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That is a possibility. But then there would need to be a code for 3 star systems. And a code for 4 star systems. And a code for 5 star systems. And so on.
 

Han_Zen

Han_Zen
Kerrec Snowmane said:
If this was true, then every recording in the same system would always start the same way. I'm pretty sure this has been proven to not be the case.
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Does it? Couldn't it be:

UP transmits: STAR,RINGED........................................................................6min.
UP transmits: RINGED, STAR...............................................................6min. Same system, second time.

We need recordings in simple systems to work this out.
 

Kerrec Snowmane

K
Han_Zen said:
Does it? Couldn't it be:

UP transmits: STAR,RINGED........................................................................6min.
UP transmits: RINGED, STAR...............................................................6min. Same system, second time.

We need recordings in simple systems to work this out.
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I believe I recall Riz@l saying he has a recording from a single star system. And he spent time decoding the sounds... I think 5.5 minutes of silence would have been noticed right then and there.
 

CMDR Zulu

CMDR Zulu
Menenhetet said:
I need some help to verify a recent phenomena that I've experienced at Merope 5c in the giant crater. I scoured the crater in a grid pattern at a distance of 2.5 kilometers. I've found a single POI within the whole crater, but I am unable to see anything when I perform closer inspection. When I head back to 2.5km, the POI appears again. It is within a deep crater inside the megacrater. I believe I have video from last night that I'm going to upload. A funny thing to note is that the space around the POI was murky dark and seemed to be affected by gravitational lensintg. I thought it a trick of the eyes, so I had to look at other dark areas to rule out simple illusion. I make no definite statements, so I'm needing someone to go and verify the invisible POI. I don't believe it's a bug, as I have searched a very wide area and haven't seen but the ONE POI. I won't make any assumptions as to what this could mean. (Perhaps it's nothing). I can provide approximate coordinates inside the crater, provided that someone wants to go check it out.
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I won't be able to check anytime soon but I'll do my best to check sometime today.
 

Arguendo

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Han_Zen said:
Does it? Couldn't it be:

UP transmits: STAR,RINGED........................................................................6min.
UP transmits: RINGED, STAR...............................................................6min. Same system, second time.

We need recordings in simple systems to work this out.
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Actually, without a start/stop signal, it can't be arbitrary. Like I explained earlier; by just shifting one purr to the right or left, the message is not the same if the Purr isn't replaced by the exact same Purr. So the order has to be the same, always. If it isn't, then you can't just pick a starting point and add 6 minutes.
 

CMDR Zulu

CMDR Zulu
Menenhetet said:
I need some help to verify a recent phenomena that I've experienced at Merope 5c in the giant crater. I scoured the crater in a grid pattern at a distance of 2.5 kilometers. I've found a single POI within the whole crater, but I am unable to see anything when I perform closer inspection. When I head back to 2.5km, the POI appears again. It is within a deep crater inside the megacrater. I believe I have video from last night that I'm going to upload. A funny thing to note is that the space around the POI was murky dark and seemed to be affected by gravitational lensintg. I thought it a trick of the eyes, so I had to look at other dark areas to rule out simple illusion. I make no definite statements, so I'm needing someone to go and verify the invisible POI. I don't believe it's a bug, as I have searched a very wide area and haven't seen but the ONE POI. I won't make any assumptions as to what this could mean. (Perhaps it's nothing). I can provide approximate coordinates inside the crater, provided that someone wants to go check it out.
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I won't be able to check anytime soon but I'll do my best to check sometime today. Please post the coordinates and also perhaps take a screen shot and try to edit the color by the key provided in the news letter. Maybe you can see whatever's there with that.
 

Arguendo

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Arguendo
UP recording from Single Star System can be found here.
Video file here.
Image of system here.

Courtesy of Vent! Thanks a lot!

EDIT:
Quick transcript of sounds. - = High, l = LOW. First Purr at around 30 seconds. Only about 4 minutes in Classified Camera, but that should be enough.

l l - - l l - - l - - l - - l l - - l - l l - - l - - l - l l - - l l - l - - l l - - l l - l - - l - l - l l

Opposite: - = LOW, l = HIGH
- - l l - - l l - l l - l l - - l l - l - - l l - l l - l - - l l - - l - l l - - l l - - l - l l - l - l - -
 
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Zambrick

Zambrick
Has anyone been able to check on the experiment that I suggested? I know you are tackling the purpose of the UP right now but we still have not determined if the visual data has any impact on what the key unlocks. Even if the UP is used to find out the content and make up of a given system, then finding out its true purpose or tracking back to its source would be almost impossible. So far only 3 UP have been found and how many billions of systems would we need to check to find the correct one.

We need to be working on both portions of the problem in order to see how they correlate. I am trying this from a practical approach so we know that the images in the soundclip are a representation of something that exists in our spacetime. I have re linked my latest experiment. I have very limited time during the week and have not been able to test myself.

If anyone has the time, can they fly out to 2A and see if this idea is plausible/useful?
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https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/276077-UAs-Barnacles-and-other-mysteries-Thread-8-The-Canonn?p=4308916&viewfull=1#post4308916
 

Vent

Vent
So yeah, I got my UP back. I did a single star system recording. Full information (including video and a system map with info on the lonely star) in the post linked in my signature as usual.
 
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