UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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They seem to spawn at random, I've found some just seconds after I drop out of wytchspace, orbiting the star.

In systems like ADR GW-W D1-52 that has no planets, it's always easy to find UA's. Mostly within 1000ls of the star. I usually get about 6 UA/hour there.

In systems with plenty of planets, you can search hours without seeing one.
 
In systems like ADR GW-W D1-52 that has no planets, it's always easy to find UA's. Mostly within 1000ls of the star. I usually get about 6 UA/hour there.

In systems with plenty of planets, you can search hours without seeing one.

Don't have the system names at hand, but that was not my case: found all the time with and without bodies, but I can't tell now as in my case I was getting them after and before the drop rate in spawning.
 
In systems like ADR GW-W D1-52 that has no planets, it's always easy to find UA's. Mostly within 1000ls of the star. I usually get about 6 UA/hour there.

In systems with plenty of planets, you can search hours without seeing one.

Ah sorry, I misunderstood. Well, like MB said, that's a testable theory lol. I'm parked in obsidian, so I can go have a look at the shell once I'm done with work.
 
I think it just happened that you hit the RNG in that area.. however, you made me think, what if your theory isbvalid for UPs?? what if the "wild" ones only spawn close to planets??

It's UPs I'm searching for.

The point is that UAs are designed/evolved for scanning local bodies. It's what it does.

We don't know what the UP does, but I find it a bit suspicious that 'Double Barnacles' shows up at the same time as the double headed UP.
This could be a small sign that the UA/UP have a seeding purpose.

The problem is that Barnacles only grow in nebula regions. As far as I know, there aren't any nebula in the UA shell.
 
so..... the question is: there is a free UP floating in space with this 2.1 ?
or we should wait the next update ?

second question is: if there is a free UP in 2.1, where is it ?

the possibility are :

1 - is within the shell we already know - as someone has just said, maybe is in the inner area of the shell.

2 - is into another nebula : i visited the elephant trunk (as someone claimed to have found one in there) without success,
ngc 7822 without success, california nebula w/s.

3 - is not into a nebula, is somewhere else (but where ? 'sigh').
 
This has probably been answered hundreds of times already, but... the probe points to Merope 5C, right? Does it point to the centre of that planet?

Yes.

Also, what time is it in Merope? Do we have a universal clock to work with? How about for the individual planets?

The universal clock we 'humans' use is the server time, which can be seen at the top right panel in your ship. Or if you dock at a station, it is in the station menu too. There is no such thing as 'time of individual planets'. Time is simply a measure invented by humans to measure the continuous changes in the universe. You could express the 'time' of a planet according to its orbital period and such, just like humans have.
 
It's UPs I'm searching for.

The point is that UAs are designed/evolved for scanning local bodies. It's what it does.

We don't know what the UP does, but I find it a bit suspicious that 'Double Barnacles' shows up at the same time as the double headed UP.
This could be a small sign that the UA/UP have a seeding purpose.

The problem is that Barnacles only grow in nebula regions. As far as I know, there aren't any nebula in the UA shell.

I think you are right.
It seems like a mix of technology and biology - barnacles too.
What if it is the actual seed for barnacles?

what if probe is male and artefact is female ?
artefact does look like a seed to be honest


If i am correct it does not degrade on surface, right?

so like in diagram.

1 plunge them both into a hole in a ground
2 cover em up ...hmm with what? (or dont)
3 let em get some light (give it time perhaps hours)
4 you will get pair of barnacles

Intelligent flowers :eek: :D
 
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so..... the question is: there is a free UP floating in space with this 2.1 ?
or we should wait the next update ?

second question is: if there is a free UP in 2.1, where is it ?

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My thoughts on this are that the UAs are like an early warning system. They site in a shell around Merope and when they detect a ship they scan it and transmit its image back to Merope (hence, why they point at Merope).
The UPs however, wait for a ship to scan them first and then send it a message. My guess would be that they have been sent out from Merope (why they also align with it) in the direction that ships have been detected by the UAs, i.e. towards the bubble. If they are to be found free-floating I would assume they'd be somewhere on the Merope-facing side of the bubble.

All assuming of course that they are available in-game yet. Did the UA shell exist in the early days, while people were still hunting for them in convoys, or was it added after a while?
 
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All assuming of course that they are available in-game yet. Did the UA shell exist in the early days, while people were still hunting for them in convoys, or was it added after a while?

The "shell" didn't, or at least, we didn't discover it.

However, there were a small amount (half a dozen or less) UA free-floating within a (very roughly) 50LY radius.

There's a theory that the shell used to be a bubble, centered on Merope, and it expanded out. Reason for this is that a 50LY bubble is roughly the same volume as a 135-150LY "shell". Unfortunately these free-floating UAs were discovered just days before the patch landed which introduced the shell, so it's a theory that can never be proven.
 
So I'm home sick full of mucus and bacteria, so I've taken a moment to write the idiot's guide to UA/UP/Meta-Alloys etc.

I get it. Everyone should read the front page first. But has anyone who says that actually *read* the front page recently? Not dissing Rizal's work maintaining it, but that thing is massive, so I can understand why people skip it.

Things to note about this guide:
- The FAQ is especially written in my usual cynical tongue. If you take nothing out of it, take this: You need a thick skin. If you can't handle the FAQ of my idiots guide, you definitely won't handle the main thread. Nobody is out to get you, but speaking from experience, there's only so many times I can tell the full story of how the morse was discovered before I throw kittens off balconies.
- This contains almost no speculation, no matter how much potential it has. The one exception is a comment about the Barnacle symbol looking like Barnard's Loop. Everything else is proven fact.
- I don't reference anything. Again, this is the idiot's guide, I've tried to keep it to only solid fact in order to cut this down to a minimum of things you can safely assume to be true.
- The FAQ focuses mostly on bringing suggestions here. It might be a bit cutting, but is only my opinion. If you vehemently disagree with what I've said, fill your boots and post away here. Again, thick skin. But reading 8 threads worth of this stuff has shown all the comments to be true at some point, but I'm not here to tell anyone what to do, just gently suggest.
- I don't categorically list things that have been disproven/proven to only be speculation. That's what the front thread is for.

Just my 40c while I cough up a lung to try and lessen noise.

It could deserve the Huge front page...;)

With the UA yes, but it's bugged with the UP

It is bugged only if other CMDRs are in the instance. I've personally scooped the UP with limpets many times without issues.
 
My thoughts on this are that the UAs are like an early warning system. They site in a shell around Merope and when they detect a ship they scan it and transmit its image back to Merope (hence, why they point at Merope).

Then my question would be: To whom do they send the data back in Merope? Who is the reciever?
 
It could deserve the Huge front page...;)



It is bugged only if other CMDRs are in the instance. I've personally scooped the UP with limpets many times without issues.

Ah, I stand corrected then :)
Personally I haven't found any UPs, so I had to go from other people's reports.
 
Yes.



The universal clock we 'humans' use is the server time, which can be seen at the top right panel in your ship. Or if you dock at a station, it is in the station menu too. There is no such thing as 'time of individual planets'. Time is simply a measure invented by humans to measure the continuous changes in the universe. You could express the 'time' of a planet according to its orbital period and such, just like humans have.


a. "The universal clock we 'humans' use is the server time,"
- Darn

b. "... which can be seen at the top right panel in your ship."
- ...aye... darn

c. "Or if you dock at a station, it is in the station menu too."
- Not the local system time then... so much for cheating

d. "There is no such thing as 'time of individual planets'. "
- ...True. However, the thought is a beautiful rabbit hole.

e. " Time is simply a measure invented by humans to measure the continuous changes in the universe."
- Mhmm

f. " You could express the 'time' of a planet according to its orbital period and such"
- Right?
- So how many clocks does Merope have?

g. " just like humans have. "
- Definitely hoping so
 
Then my question would be: To whom do they send the data back in Merope? Who is the reciever?

Something on or close to 5c? The UAs are transmitting from a long distance and only need to align with the system to transmit back to it, but the UPs align with (away from?) 5c which suggests they came from there. (???)

EDIT - An added thought, even if the UPs did come from 5c (which does imply there's something 'alien' there), the image/map/instructions they're transmitting to us isn't necessarily of they place they came from. They could be steering us towards another location.
 
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Then my question would be: To whom do they send the data back in Merope? Who is the reciever?

If it points at 5c it does not mean it is transmitting at 5c. When you point a telscope at something the business end points at a target but any "information" come out of the other end.
 
Ok, i have to say that. Cannons.. What you did in low orbit near Earth was.. incompetently, rashly, foolish, blindly and it was not science. What you did is big mistake.

I am calling Doctor, so he can call Shepard. To save us all, if it is not late yet..

The UP is OBVIOUSLY SCANNING sistems for some purpose and then transmitting all data to Merope. The UA was scanning our SHIPS for some purpose and then sending it to Merope. You just let UP scan the Cradle of Mankind and transmited all data to Merope.

So you call yourself scientists?
 
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I think you are right.
It seems like a mix of technology and biology - barnacles too.
What if it is the actual seed for barnacles?

what if probe is male and artefact is female ?
artefact does look like a seed to be honest


If i am correct it does not degrade on surface, right?

so like in diagram.

1 plunge them both into a hole in a ground
2 cover em up ...hmm with what? (or dont)
3 let em get some light (give it time perhaps hours)
4 you will get pair of barnacles

Intelligent flowers :eek: :D

Hmm but they have to be manufactured.
It does not seem like a good idea from evolutionary point of view, to evolve morse code knowledge.
So it was specifically designed for human interaction.

You know what if some civilisation sent em to help us.
I heard this thesis about the human colonized space being attacked in a near future. And Jaques station might be kind of a new place to start for humans... Arc if you will.
This makes sense from Frontier point of view. People were complaining, that space is empty and they rarely meet each other. This would bring em closer and present whole lot of new opportunities for game development.

So perhaps they are meant for teraforming.... they do emit some particles, dont they ?
What if its breathable for us?

I could go on and on, but it will be buried anyway...
 
Ok, i have to say that. Cannons.. What you did in low orbit near Earth was.. incompetently, rashly, foolish, blindly and it was not science. What you did is big mistake.

I am calling Doctor, so he can call Shepard. To save us all, if it is not late yet..

The UP is OBVIOUSLY SCANNING sistems for some purpose. The UA was scanning our SHIPS for some purpose. You just let UP scan the Cradle of Mankind.

So you call yourself scientists?



I've been saying... Some great drinks over at Jaques'...
 
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I'm with FrogsFriend on this - I don't think they're transmitting to 5c, they're just pointing perhaps to try and give away what the UA's are transmitting this info about our ships to.

This is a purposeful message to *us* not us intercepting and translating a signal like with the UA's, but someone trying to tell us something.

i don't think the symbols are even numbers - it's a UP ( -|- ) a UA transmitting away ( (( -|| ) - the lines on/around the planet surface say it's this planet the UA is transmitting to, the thing is in orbit - if you take it's radius and then a third of that it's that far out - take me here and honk me and i'll zap it so you can see

Ah imagination.
 
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