Top work well done for getting the mystery out to a wider audience. Might even be a immigrant thargoid sitting at home watching bbc that might jump on the forum and help us out.
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UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn
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Top work well done for getting the mystery out to a wider audience. Might even be a immigrant thargoid sitting at home watching bbc that might jump on the forum and help us out.
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ha Thanks I remember when it first popped up like 3 threads? ago? and wasnt exactly sure, But I knew it was just thing thrown in by FD
The recent Educating Ed (which I have now watched on VoD) seems to have cleared a few things up for me: I'm thinking that, with the discovery that the UP 'wails' near life-bearing planets, we now have the pieces of the puzzle to progress to the next stage, even with only a partial understanding of the UP image in the spectrograph of its transmission.
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Finding Free-floating UPs: I now suspect that these might be found in Anomaly SS close to life-bearing planets in the UA shell (close enough for the name of the planet to be seen in the lower-left part of the HUD). The UPs seem intended to find life, so perhaps they will be attracted to these worlds - this is my hypothesis, although I have no idea how long it might take for the right Anomaly SS to appear. Reaching the next stage of the puzzle clearly seems to require having the UP (unless you are incredibly lucky, see below) so I would hope that it would be a wait of minutes to half an hour, rather than hours.
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What to do with the UP and understanding the UP image: I think the UP image is representing a set of instructions, although the meaning of one at least (the last one) seems vague. They are:
1) Take the UP out to the UA shell.
2) Fly close to a landable planet.
3) Drop the UP and listen to it.
4) Less clear - I think it might be to land on or investigate any landable planet where the UP wails.
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Perhaps one explanation for the UP not giving you a location to go to straight-up is that it is transmitting to you its own programmed objectives. The UP does not know the exact location of what it is searching for (though this would imply that they are reporting their findings to Merope 5c, so something might still be there we have not found), it only knows that it has been sent to the UA shell to scan for signs of life.
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Where to look with a UP: this is pure speculation: I think the planet(s) we need to find using the UP will be broadly within Barnacle-friendly parameters and I would give highest priority to candidates for terraforming. This is because there are a huge number of landable worlds in the UA shell region so one would have to be incredibly lucky to find the correct world(s) by chance alone but also because it is looking for life - and these worlds have the most hospitable environments. The left-hand side of the UP image also, to my eye, looks like it could be part of a system map, highlighting the second planet in the system.
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I'm out at Jaques right now so I am unable to test my hypotheses. If I'm right about where to look it should not take long to find a free-floating UP though. Good luck to anyone and everyone trying!
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Finding Free-floating UPs: I now suspect that these might be found in Anomaly SS close to life-bearing planets in the UA shell (close enough for the name of the planet to be seen in the lower-left part of the HUD). The UPs seem intended to find life, so perhaps they will be attracted to these worlds - this is my hypothesis, although I have no idea how long it might take for the right Anomaly SS to appear. Reaching the next stage of the puzzle clearly seems to require having the UP (unless you are incredibly lucky, see below) so I would hope that it would be a wait of minutes to half an hour, rather than hours.
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What to do with the UP and understanding the UP image: I think the UP image is representing a set of instructions, although the meaning of one at least (the last one) seems vague. They are:
1) Take the UP out to the UA shell.
2) Fly close to a landable planet.
3) Drop the UP and listen to it.
4) Less clear - I think it might be to land on or investigate any landable planet where the UP wails.
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Perhaps one explanation for the UP not giving you a location to go to straight-up is that it is transmitting to you its own programmed objectives. The UP does not know the exact location of what it is searching for (though this would imply that they are reporting their findings to Merope 5c, so something might still be there we have not found), it only knows that it has been sent to the UA shell to scan for signs of life.
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Where to look with a UP: this is pure speculation: I think the planet(s) we need to find using the UP will be broadly within Barnacle-friendly parameters and I would give highest priority to candidates for terraforming. This is because there are a huge number of landable worlds in the UA shell region so one would have to be incredibly lucky to find the correct world(s) by chance alone but also because it is looking for life - and these worlds have the most hospitable environments. The left-hand side of the UP image also, to my eye, looks like it could be part of a system map, highlighting the second planet in the system.
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I'm out at Jaques right now so I am unable to test my hypotheses. If I'm right about where to look it should not take long to find a free-floating UP though. Good luck to anyone and everyone trying!
Are we now resorting to posting the spectrogram with any random squiggle highlighted as a possible lead? People complain about all of the random noise on this thread, and then we have stuff like this to contend with too...smh.
In the little time I've had recently, I'd been trying to make rhyme or reason of the 'chirps' from the UP with no success (listening and viewing the audio, I'm not even convinced that they're all 'triplets' as some seem to have 4 or 5 parts to the chirp in the recording I was analyzing) but I was just watching a video (rather than just listening to the sound) of an idle UP and noticed that it lights up during (and just after) the wails. The chirps happen all the time regardless of whether it's lit up or not. Wouldn't this imply that the wails are the 'transmission' ? (I know others have been focusing on the wails lately already, which is what prompted me to go watch the video again.)
Forgot to mention that purrs fall into the same category as chirps as they happen all the time regardless of whether it's lit up or not. This is all separate from the 'response' transmission (the 'key') that you get if you honk it.
Forgot to mention that purrs fall into the same category as chirps as they happen all the time regardless of whether it's lit up or not. This is all separate from the 'response' transmission (the 'key') that you get if you honk it.
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Sorry I've got patchy coverage at the moment (RL camping in the 'great' outdoors) - so apologies if someone already posted this, but Dr Arc has issued a plea for UPs on Galnet -https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/57a1c0689657ba796dd90200
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This isn't directed at you Dark_Helmet... you're just pointing it out... but I'm going to put up a small disclaimer:
Sciencism vs science
Those who can't get the difference between testing something and saying something are not capable of making the distinction between between Scientists and Skeptics.
Evidence? NASA - EM Drive. Who said something was not a thing? NASA? Who tested it? Everyone else.
You know why I capitalized Scientism and not science? One is a religion.
The skeptic is to the psychologist... a thing that produces words in the same way that a dog barks to bark.
A scientist tries something towards an unknown outcome whose function by hypothesis can lead to unexpected and ultimately unknown results. Such results, even failures, produce the elimination of unproductive modes of thought and activity. In turn this furthers the advance of humanity.
By extension the conservatism of Scientism functions to it.
I hate Scientism with a burning patience.
If someone jumps on me about this prepare for a fight and I will win it viciously because to me there are just two Sciences: Chemistry and Engineering.
Everything else is mental: literally.
I hate Scientism with a burning passion.
Another way to distinguish Science from Scientism?
Scientism and those who advocate it cannot distinction between what is Known and how to identify those things Unknown. Functionally they are algebraically challenged. Rationally, they are everything but.
Scientism is people who want numbers or some sort of completed thing. They want something testED: as to the past tense. A thing already done so that their troubled insecure souls can go back to ing themselves over the state of their entirely demure lives.
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Sooo. I'm a 'Scientist' (capital S) because I demand scientific reasoning behind your claim? I'm not demanding anything from that last image you posted, because there's almost nothing to demand it FROM. If you're suggesting I'd be a scientist if I highlight a random shape thinking it's unusual, with no basis in fact or logic, and no means to derive anything from it...and a Scientist if I merely point out that something is to my mind a nothing shape...well, you'd be wrong on both counts
I agree that stuff should be posted in the correct thread but:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...t-what-is-it?p=3685695&viewfull=1#post3685695
Another random thought...
This seems to be some kind of alien life searching scheme. Just curious that prof. Palin sells two-tons cargo racks. Just for equipping one, pick an UA and an UP when available, and go along the galaxy searching for lifeforms. Drop both of them in orbit and they will scan the planet and send the results to his masters in Merope. And we will learn to listen to them too.
This seems to be some kind of alien life searching scheme. Just curious that prof. Palin sells two-tons cargo racks. Just for equipping one, pick an UA and an UP when available, and go along the galaxy searching for lifeforms. Drop both of them in orbit and they will scan the planet and send the results to his masters in Merope. And we will learn to listen to them too.
I..er..what? i must still be half asleep
I think someone just invited us to a handbag fight. En garde!!
I'd argue that everything can be broken down into numbers / mathematics, so science is maths...
Mathemagical black holes.
It's a thing: http://www.pleacher.com/handley/puzzles/blackhol.html
Math is good, but it can only get you so far.
Determine how we got a chicken purely from math and what was the stuff before the universe that started the stuff which lead to the stuff that made the chicken.
Numbers are good, but we have to have something to begin to apply them to or it's a college calc class. Pointless long strands of unintelligible torture.
Or you can have the 3D E8:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Gk_Ddhr0M
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4_21_polytope
The polygon itself was discovered some hundred or so years ago. We're only just now realizing, "Oh hey, this has application besides being a paper weight." https://www.bathsheba.com/crystal/e8/
Or the discovery of Parallax:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallax
That only took a few thousand years...
Aristarchus of Samos
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristarchus_of_Samos
" Since stellar parallax is only detectable with telescopes, his accurate speculation was unprovable at the time. "
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_parallax
How about analemmas?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qzeq4e_jky8/maxresdefault.jpg
This nut makes a castle for his true love out of coral and no one has a clue how he did it. He says how he did and it still makes no sense. Neither do most people believe him though his measurements were spot on.
- But an analemma applies perfectly well for the ( and )) of the right most image of the spectogram if the image has been clipped in some way or we're just not appreciating some aspect of viewing something off Merope 5c's sky.
Mathematics is great, but it is usually secondary to the the root conjecture that begins the process towards speculation and application.
NASA can get that much right anyway:
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/images/content/84501main_speculat.gif
Ungh..... this is just "God said X, so it must be true" all over again.
OK. A ship got taken to Tionisla. Great. And it emitted a signal basically hinting to the EAFOTS sector, correlated by the "Heart and Soul" reference on the ship. Cool, all related and hey, y'know what? It's worth going and having a look for something, who knows what.
But for the love of all that's holy, the first person to conflate these two things together until they find something that actually proves a connection gets a paddling.
This is what noise is. Don't make assumptions "because Drew said so".
A barely intelligible waffle that somehow also manages to insult a huge swath of actual scientists without seemingly having any point whatsoever. Maybe take that kind of thing elsewhere
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