UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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marx

marx
Edelgard von Rhein said:
Finding Free-floating UPs: I now suspect that these might be found in Anomaly SS close to life-bearing planets in the UA shell (close enough for the name of the planet to be seen in the lower-left part of the HUD). The UPs seem intended to find life, so perhaps they will be attracted to these worlds - this is my hypothesis, although I have no idea how long it might take for the right Anomaly SS to appear. Reaching the next stage of the puzzle clearly seems to require having the UP (unless you are incredibly lucky, see below) so I would hope that it would be a wait of minutes to half an hour, rather than hours.
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I don't find it likely that UP-s would be within the UA shell: with folks harvesting UA-s from there for Prof. Palin, they would have been found already, unless the spawn rate is astronomically low. In which case they might as well not exist. I do find it more likely that they'll be somewhere between Merope and the shell: that would be the prime candidate to go looking, what with them also pointing towards Merope. However, looking for them close to planets is a pretty good idea. Personally, I've almost exclusively looked in deep space or in orbit of stars, but checking near bodies would be a good idea. After all, where would you send probes first?
Especially if the system map/barnacle finder theory turns out to be correct.

One more thing to add to your theory though: terraforming candidates are designated as such for humans. For other species, habitable worlds could well be different, and they might send probes to search for those instead. For example, from earlier lore it has been pretty well established that Thargoids live on ammonia worlds.
I've yet to come across any ammonia worlds either inside the UA shell or between it and Merope. However, from the Earth-like list, there are five ELW-s in four systems (one system has two, in a rare configuration of the two Earth-likes orbiting two different stars) and if I'm eyeballing this right, all of them are within 100 ly of Merope. So, some places to check:
Pleiades Sector IR-W d1-36 and d1-42
HIP 16671 and 19637

Also worth noting that an Alliance listening station was built a while ago orbiting an Earth-like world in HIP 19072. It's also "in range" of Merope.
 

crushdepth

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marx said:
I don't find it likely that UP-s would be within the UA shell: with folks harvesting UA-s from there for Prof. Palin, they would have been found already, unless the spawn rate is astronomically low. In which case they might as well not exist. I do find it more likely that they'll be somewhere between Merope and the shell: that would be the prime candidate to go looking, what with them also pointing towards Merope. However, looking for them close to planets is a pretty good idea. Personally, I've almost exclusively looked in deep space or in orbit of stars, but checking near bodies would be a good idea. After all, where would you send probes first?
Especially if the system map/barnacle finder theory turns out to be correct.

One more thing to add to your theory though: terraforming candidates are designated as such for humans. For other species, habitable worlds could well be different, and they might send probes to search for those instead. For example, from earlier lore it has been pretty well established that Thargoids live on ammonia worlds.
I've yet to come across any ammonia worlds either inside the UA shell or between it and Merope. However, from the Earth-like list, there are five ELW-s in four systems (one system has two, in a rare configuration of the two Earth-likes orbiting two different stars) and if I'm eyeballing this right, all of them are within 100 ly of Merope. So, some places to check:
Pleiades Sector IR-W d1-36 and d1-42
HIP 16671 and 19637

Also worth noting that an Alliance listening station was built a while ago orbiting an Earth-like world in HIP 19072. It's also "in range" of Merope.
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  • Pleiades sector RO-Q B5-0 10
  • 2 water worlds, an ammonia world, 2 gas giants with life (ammonia/water) and some high metal planets
 

Atebits

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Dark_Helmet said:
Sooo. I'm a 'Scientist' (capital S) because I demand scientific reasoning behind your claim? I'm not demanding anything from that last image you posted, because there's almost nothing to demand it FROM. If you're suggesting I'd be a scientist if I highlight a random shape thinking it's unusual, with no basis in fact or logic, and no means to derive anything from it...and a Scientist if I merely point out that something is to my mind a nothing shape...well, you'd be wrong on both counts :)
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Rixaeton said:
I've been thinking about the "Section PR5 row 2, seats 5&6 - Dead center ice perfect viewing height" problem... and I think I have a solution to it

tinfoil hat on:

Google search "Seating plan PR5" gives the Staples Centre as the first hit. Now the Staples centre has a 3d viewer as well as the plan for the seating.
Measuring the 2d map zoomed in, we can use the proportion of the court size and the seat PR5 Row 2, seats 5 and 6, which matches the description "centre of the ice" (Ridiculously long URL but is the 2d plan which can be zoomed in)

A standard court is 15 m wide, so measuring the distance from Row 2 to the centre of the court, we find the seat is 28m away. The problem now is, what is the height.
Unfortunately this is where the tinfoil hat fits most snugly: I could not find height information, but there is a 3D viewing app here http://www.seats3d.com/mv/staples_center/premium_seat/#/pg_pr_east_sts_9/

Zooming in on the hoop, and measuring the height from the base to the hoop, and the PR5 Row2 on the opposite side, it is about 3.7 times the hoop (3m) = 11.1m

So the important ratio is 11.1 / 28 = 0.39

Now, I might be giving away too much of my own research, but this ratio does appear on the UP message:
http://imgur.com/a/ZCo3K

Any thoughts? Maybe my math is wrong :S .... I have been working on the UP message for several days now, and have not had much sleep. Do I need more tinfoil?

Cheers
Rixaeton (I can't afford a sig, let alone an Anaconda)
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Atebits said:
However, this reinvigorates the question if the left image isn't a clipped portion of some other image... ala the right
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Atebits said:
I hate myself for posting this, but...


http://imgur.com/a/3Ikjk
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Did back up my statements. The image has been debated as being clipped multiple times. It's a continuation of the same question and an attempt at taking the apparent slices of imagery and saying, "Huh, what if it was this?"

But sure, I'll shut up. Goodbye.
 
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SystematicChaos

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Jmanis said:
Ungh..... this is just "God said X, so it must be true" all over again.

OK. A ship got taken to Tionisla. Great. And it emitted a signal basically hinting to the EAFOTS sector, correlated by the "Heart and Soul" reference on the ship. Cool, all related and hey, y'know what? It's worth going and having a look for something, who knows what.

But for the love of all that's holy, the first person to conflate these two things together until they find something that actually proves a connection gets a paddling.

This is what noise is. Don't make assumptions "because Drew said so".
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Err.. that's not what I'm saying at all.
If people are going to come on and make assertions, then could we have citations to back them up?

I would hazard a guess that Mr Wagar knows a bit more than you though.
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
SystematicChaos said:
Err.. that's not what I'm saying at all.
If people are going to come on and make assertions, then could we have citations to back them up?

I would hazard a guess that Mr Wagar knows a bit more than you though.
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Only referred to your quote, wasn't directing my statement directly at you.

But honestly, I couldn't care how much Drew, or Kerrash, or even MB himself knows about this stuff compared to me. The one thing that incessantly grinds my gears is this casual vague hint-dropping rubbish. It frankly poisons this whole thing.

I hope everyone remembers the great waste of time that was the "Eclipsing Binary" hunt...
 
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Edelgard von Rhein

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crushdepth said:
  • Pleiades sector RO-Q B5-0 10
  • 2 water worlds, an ammonia world, 2 gas giants with life (ammonia/water) and some high metal planets
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Good call - an interesting system to check!
Doesn't Pleione have an Ammonia World? I'll have to check my scans of the Pleiades and surrounding systems next time I'm in-game.
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I can appreciate that there are other places than the UA shell that might be worth looking for free-floating UPs. When people scan planets, however, it is often from a distance and they are not getting close to the world, unless they want screenshots. If free-floating UPs are found next to life-bearing planets, I agree with @marx that there is a good chance they would (should) have been found already. If no one finds anything after consciously looking near the different types of life-bearing worlds, then the criteria is proved incorrect.
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The habitable zone for Ammonia Worlds is quite a bit larger than for Earth-likes, probably even larger than Water Worlds. There is such a wide range of temperatures and pressures, especially on the high-mass worlds, that it's a hard thing to define. For the most 'Earth-like' Ammonia Worlds, their favoured locations seem to be interior to the region where Icy worlds are found, not far from the region where you get Rocky Ice worlds. That would imply that many moons of some gas giants are within a suitable temperature range for Ammonia-based life forms, although they would not have enough gravity to hold on to an atmosphere and thus not be terraformable for Ammonia-based life. At least we have a definitive label on the system map telling us 'this world is a candidate for terraforming' for humans. We do not know what the equivalent criteria might be for any alien species, whether based on water or ammonia, it is only a place to start.
 
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Matt

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Stenbraek said:
Hi!
I don't know if this is a known fact, I haven't found any mention of it on the first page.
Sorry to add to the noise if it is!
There are 2 permanent SS "convoy beacons" near Pleione 11A:
http://imgur.com/paRVyC3
Its a cutter carrying meta alloys and an escort of Vultures and imperial fighters:
http://imgur.com/ICuGxNn
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Confirmed capital ships in Pleione.

Pleione was the Thargoid home system in Frontier First Encounters. I think the planet was 4B in FFE, but in ED that does not exist :)
 

CMDR Random

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Stenbraek said:
Hi!
I don't know if this is a known fact, I haven't found any mention of it on the first page.
Sorry to add to the noise if it is!
There are 2 permanent SS "convoy beacons" near Pleione 11A:
http://imgur.com/paRVyC3
Its a cutter carrying meta alloys and an escort of Vultures and imperial fighters:
http://imgur.com/ICuGxNn
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Its not just convoys the Imperials have a Capital Ship the INV Halls Memory by the Star, probaby worth checking 11a for barnacles

edit just seen it has 3 known barnacles on the known barnacles sheet
 
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LordZoltan

LordZoltan
Jmanis said:
Ungh..... this is just "God said X, so it must be true" all over again.

OK. A ship got taken to Tionisla. Great. And it emitted a signal basically hinting to the EAFOTS sector, correlated by the "Heart and Soul" reference on the ship. Cool, all related and hey, y'know what? It's worth going and having a look for something, who knows what.

But for the love of all that's holy, the first person to conflate these two things together until they find something that actually proves a connection gets a paddling.

This is what noise is. Don't make assumptions "because Drew said so".
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Seconded.
 

Han_Zen

Han_Zen
Matt said:
Confirmed capital ships in Pleione.

Pleione was the Thargoid home system in Frontier First Encounters. I think the planet was 4B in FFE, but in ED that does not exist :)
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A single destroyed Thargoid ship was found near Pleione 4B.

The home system was Miackce.
 
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