Nice! I really liked the segment. Fantastic stuff. It's so cool to see this stuff be surfaced like this
UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn
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Nice! I really liked the segment. Fantastic stuff. It's so cool to see this stuff be surfaced like this
So I find this.
Right next door I find this.
Nothin on the scanners but an SRV wreck. Guess his budies left him here or he "walked" back to his boat.
But there is a lot more here to search and it's a system right on the big permit region around Cone Nebula, which is where I suspect we are being led since it is blocked off to access due to highway construction in the area.
Right next door I find this.
Nothin on the scanners but an SRV wreck. Guess his budies left him here or he "walked" back to his boat.
But there is a lot more here to search and it's a system right on the big permit region around Cone Nebula, which is where I suspect we are being led since it is blocked off to access due to highway construction in the area.
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Thanks for sharing!
Preface: There has been some delay in me posting this as I’m semi on vacation and have not had much time. As such it took me longer to compile the data and complete the tests than expected.
Entering into the tests I set out to check when wail/howl (I use the term wail and howl interchangable, apologies if I confuse) would be provoked.
Methodology: I dropped the UP by different celestial bodies and listened to it and scooped it up at 50%
Results
SPF-LF 1 planet 7 (Ice)
30ls- 3 wails
103ls- 0 wails
48ls- 0 wails
40.4ls- 0 wails
39.6ls- 3 wails
Note: There are multiple tests here as I was establishing the distance from the planet I had to be to make the wails stop or start. It appeared to only occur within the “Sphere of Influence”. For clarification the Sphere of Influence (SOI) is listed on the bottom left hand corner of the HUD. I use this term as I don’t have a better one but it includes not just celestial bodies but also shipping lanes and stations.
SPF 1-LF 1 (red dwarf)
10.9ls- 0 wails
Luyten’s star 2 (gas giant w/ water based life, 2 rings, no moons)
2.36ls- 3 wails
Luyten’s star 6
30ls- 3 wails
LHS 1951 B 1 (gas giant with ammonia based life, no rings, no moons)
11.4ls- 3 wails
LHS 1951 A 2 (Earth like w/ station: Hobaugh Orbital)
1.47ls- 3 wails
Hobaugh Orbital
540m- 0 wails
(Note: This sequence tests to see if distance or sphere of influence is the deciding factor. As such Hobaugh orbital recording (which was in the SOI of the station) was closer to A 2 than the A 2 test, however it did not provoke any wails despite being closer. Reaffirmed: Sphere of influence determines wailing behavior. It also appears that the SOI do not overlap, there is only one SOI and that is the one listed)
LHS 1951 A 1 (high metal, with station in orbit)
0.16ls- 3 wails
Wasat A1 (high metal, volcanism, rings)
3.58ls- 3 wails
Shiboleth Belt cluster 1
(in the instance)- 0 wails
Zach C (brown dwarf)
1.48ls- 0 wails
Uchaluroja a 1 (metal rich)
20.8Mm- 3 wails
Hip 17692 A 1
0.68ls- 3 wails
Pleione 3 A
643km- 3 howls
Pleione 11 A
5.93Mm- (Internet connection issues occurred, scooped early to avoid loss). 1 wail noted, but probe was scooped early.
Conclusions: Sphere of influence determines if the UP wails. Planets/moons all appear to cause wails. Stars, asteroid belts, and stations do not.
The follow portion are things that I noticed during experimenting that I was not directly testing. As such they are not concretely listed in the results and were not subjected to the same testing rigor.
My observations: The wails appear to happen at *relatively* set intervals. The for instance the first wails always seemed to be 87-89% UP degradation, the other wails occurred similarly within a 1-3% degradation range.
To M Vol
I was planning on testing your theory but cannot currently record. However, using the set intervals I can speak partially about what I found. When I honked with the ADS it appeared the UPs interval timer between wails was frozen. The wails did not appear in the interval expected, instead they were pushed back by the duration of the transmission. I plan to get a full recording at some point and more specifics, this was just a quick test out of my curiosity. I hope it serves to pique curiosity and fully have the sequence tested.
To Dreadpirate and Rizal (and others I may have missed who share this theorycraft)
Don’t write off your theory yet, but don’t try to force the puzzle pieces in. I believe Arguendo makes some excellent points that you should heed. Perhaps the signal instead of *just* listing what is in the system goes about it in a different way?
For instance.
Instead of listing one entry for *each* instance of a celestial body in a system maybe it lists by groups. For instance, instead of saying, Star, planet, moon, moon, moon, moon and not listing celestial bodies that are not present. It may say Stars 1, planets 1, moons 4, 0 asteroid belts. It would also make an over 6 minute message for systems with just 1 star as it lists what’s there as well as what isn’t.
Also of note: Don’t try to assume too much. Maybe part of the signal is a thumbs up or a thumbs down for what the probe is looking for? We have more symbols than possible interpretations, don’t force interpretations just so *something* can fit, leave it open to interpretation on some of the other symbols. When we can get more recordings this will help. Now that some of the basics of the UP mechanics are known we should be able to control for more variables with future research.
@Vent, if you have any good data to add tack it on
You are an hero Bungalo!
And I agree with what you said: I am open to every thing, believe me! And I read every post and listen to everyone
Your effort is very much appreciated CMDR!
I'm following your post closely.
But don't forget that simplicity is almost always the solution!
Simple and Elegant must be our thoughts, while trying to unveil this mystery.
Spencer!
That was simply AWESOME!
Thank you!
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Ahh OK!
I think my point still has some validity though...
You can almost see what you want to in "random noise". eg (my orange additions):-
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Well, at least that confirms to me that you are either a) trolling or b) a sandwich short of a picnic...space madness is alive and well and living in CMDR Zulus imagination.
Preface: There has been some delay in me posting this as I’m semi on vacation and have not had much time. As such it took me longer to compile the data and complete the tests than expected.
Entering into the tests I set out to check when wail/howl (I use the term wail and howl interchangable, apologies if I confuse) would be provoked.
Methodology: I dropped the UP by different celestial bodies and listened to it and scooped it up at 50%
Results
SPF-LF 1 planet 7 (Ice)
30ls- 3 wails
103ls- 0 wails
48ls- 0 wails
40.4ls- 0 wails
39.6ls- 3 wails
Note: There are multiple tests here as I was establishing the distance from the planet I had to be to make the wails stop or start. It appeared to only occur within the “Sphere of Influence”. For clarification the Sphere of Influence (SOI) is listed on the bottom left hand corner of the HUD. I use this term as I don’t have a better one but it includes not just celestial bodies but also shipping lanes and stations.
SPF 1-LF 1 (red dwarf)
10.9ls- 0 wails
Luyten’s star 2 (gas giant w/ water based life, 2 rings, no moons)
2.36ls- 3 wails
Luyten’s star 6
30ls- 3 wails
LHS 1951 B 1 (gas giant with ammonia based life, no rings, no moons)
11.4ls- 3 wails
LHS 1951 A 2 (Earth like w/ station: Hobaugh Orbital)
1.47ls- 3 wails
Hobaugh Orbital
540m- 0 wails
(Note: This sequence tests to see if distance or sphere of influence is the deciding factor. As such Hobaugh orbital recording (which was in the SOI of the station) was closer to A 2 than the A 2 test, however it did not provoke any wails despite being closer. Reaffirmed: Sphere of influence determines wailing behavior. It also appears that the SOI do not overlap, there is only one SOI and that is the one listed)
LHS 1951 A 1 (high metal, with station in orbit)
0.16ls- 3 wails
Wasat A1 (high metal, volcanism, rings)
3.58ls- 3 wails
Shiboleth Belt cluster 1
(in the instance)- 0 wails
Zach C (brown dwarf)
1.48ls- 0 wails
Uchaluroja a 1 (metal rich)
20.8Mm- 3 wails
Hip 17692 A 1
0.68ls- 3 wails
Pleione 3 A
643km- 3 howls
Pleione 11 A
5.93Mm- (Internet connection issues occurred, scooped early to avoid loss). 1 wail noted, but probe was scooped early.
Conclusions: Sphere of influence determines if the UP wails. Planets/moons all appear to cause wails. Stars, asteroid belts, and stations do not.
The follow portion are things that I noticed during experimenting that I was not directly testing. As such they are not concretely listed in the results and were not subjected to the same testing rigor.
My observations: The wails appear to happen at *relatively* set intervals. The for instance the first wails always seemed to be 87-89% UP degradation, the other wails occurred similarly within a 1-3% degradation range.
To M Vol
I was planning on testing your theory but cannot currently record. However, using the set intervals I can speak partially about what I found. When I honked with the ADS it appeared the UPs interval timer between wails was frozen. The wails did not appear in the interval expected, instead they were pushed back by the duration of the transmission. I plan to get a full recording at some point and more specifics, this was just a quick test out of my curiosity. I hope it serves to pique curiosity and fully have the sequence tested.
To Dreadpirate and Rizal (and others I may have missed who share this theorycraft)
Don’t write off your theory yet, but don’t try to force the puzzle pieces in. I believe Arguendo makes some excellent points that you should heed. Perhaps the signal instead of *just* listing what is in the system goes about it in a different way?
For instance.
Instead of listing one entry for *each* instance of a celestial body in a system maybe it lists by groups. For instance, instead of saying, Star, planet, moon, moon, moon, moon and not listing celestial bodies that are not present. It may say Stars 1, planets 1, moons 4, 0 asteroid belts. It would also make an over 6 minute message for systems with just 1 star as it lists what’s there as well as what isn’t.
Also of note: Don’t try to assume too much. Maybe part of the signal is a thumbs up or a thumbs down for what the probe is looking for? We have more symbols than possible interpretations, don’t force interpretations just so *something* can fit, leave it open to interpretation on some of the other symbols. When we can get more recordings this will help. Now that some of the basics of the UP mechanics are known we should be able to control for more variables with future research.
@Vent, if you have any good data to add tack it on
Alright CMDRs.
After some thoughts and theories I figured it might be some time for analysis again.
I thought about what helped us solving the UA riddle and if there were other hints, that could have led us in this direction.
So I watched different UA videos and noted the uptime of the UA lighting during its howl.
http://i.imgur.com/5D3qfbw.jpg
UA on ground
- Merope 2D (32.1019, -35.9477) 16 sec
- Pleiades Sector JC-U B3-2 1, 20.86 by 91.86 (next to Barnacle) 34 sec
UA in space
HYADES SECTOR HW-W C1-12 25 sec
Seega Port 14 sec
THFC-EST 1882 19 sec
With the solution already known, I guess the differences vary due to the scanned ship and body.
Now i was curious if there is something to be found watching the UP as well (having in mind MBs comment about different purposes of both).
Here is what I found
http://i.imgur.com/eYae6Du.jpg
UP on ground
Merope 5c 12 sec
(unfortunately there is only 1 usable video, as the other ground test was more focused on the EMP and Mhyres ground video had only sound)
UP in space
Ross 47 A8 23 sec
Ross 47 A8 with UA present 23 sec
Sol -Earth 23 sec
Ross 47 (Educating Ed) 20 sec
SPF-LF 1 1 (Educating Ed) 20 sec
Results:
The ground result is vague, due to missing sources but the duration is remarkebly shorter than in space.
The space results seemed to be consistent until yesterdays episode of Educating Ed.
(maybe because they were given from devs to Ed instead of being collected as the others?)
But again, the duration is definitely longer than on the ground.
As far as I can tell the distance from Merope is not a factor influencing the light duration (meaning no homeworld finder).
So why is the lighting duration on a planet nearly half as short as in space?
Is it a rangefinder once on the ground?
Does it light up shorter as we get nearer to its receiving station?
I need more data to prove or disprove this.
If it is not, why does the duration change then?
So I am asking a favor for more visual ground recordings, with varying distances from barnacles to begin with, as they are our best reference points so far.
Or I am asking for a high five. In the face. With a chair. when I made a mistake in my research
On a side note (and less less important):
Anyone noticed that only one portion of the UP lights up during the EMP startup sequence but not the other?
(The one facing away from Merope)
And that the scooping picture of the UP is showing an UA? ( lazy devs
Thank you for your attention CMDRs!
Nice work Bungalo.
If it doesn't pose too much work for you, would you mind to stop the time of the lighting next time when releasing an UP on a planet where it howls?
I'd appreciate that very much.
Thanks for stopping by and saying hello! I've always watched and liked Click, so to see 'us' featured on there is truly fantastic.
Cheers! o7
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Dear MB if you are reading this.
Does the UP IMAGE relate to an area of space or a planet.
I don't think it relates to a planet but everyone is convinced it is.
Does the UP IMAGE relate to an area of space or a planet.
I don't think it relates to a planet but everyone is convinced it is.
Don't worry. It is a planet, or more accurately, a moon. Most agree it is Merope 5C as the UP always points to Merope 5C in the Merope System (see the vid in the intro page to this thread.)
I agree with this assessment.
Cheers
Preface: There has been some delay in me posting this as I’m semi on vacation and have not had much time. As such it took me longer to compile the data and complete the tests than expected.
Entering into the tests I set out to check when wail/howl (I use the term wail and howl interchangable, apologies if I confuse) would be provoked.
Methodology: I dropped the UP by different celestial bodies and listened to it and scooped it up at 50%
Results
SPF-LF 1 planet 7 (Ice)
30ls- 3 wails
103ls- 0 wails
48ls- 0 wails
40.4ls- 0 wails
39.6ls- 3 wails
Note: There are multiple tests here as I was establishing the distance from the planet I had to be to make the wails stop or start. It appeared to only occur within the “Sphere of Influence”. For clarification the Sphere of Influence (SOI) is listed on the bottom left hand corner of the HUD. I use this term as I don’t have a better one but it includes not just celestial bodies but also shipping lanes and stations.
SPF 1-LF 1 (red dwarf)
10.9ls- 0 wails
Luyten’s star 2 (gas giant w/ water based life, 2 rings, no moons)
2.36ls- 3 wails
Luyten’s star 6
30ls- 3 wails
LHS 1951 B 1 (gas giant with ammonia based life, no rings, no moons)
11.4ls- 3 wails
LHS 1951 A 2 (Earth like w/ station: Hobaugh Orbital)
1.47ls- 3 wails
Hobaugh Orbital
540m- 0 wails
(Note: This sequence tests to see if distance or sphere of influence is the deciding factor. As such Hobaugh orbital recording (which was in the SOI of the station) was closer to A 2 than the A 2 test, however it did not provoke any wails despite being closer. Reaffirmed: Sphere of influence determines wailing behavior. It also appears that the SOI do not overlap, there is only one SOI and that is the one listed)
LHS 1951 A 1 (high metal, with station in orbit)
0.16ls- 3 wails
Wasat A1 (high metal, volcanism, rings)
3.58ls- 3 wails
Shiboleth Belt cluster 1
(in the instance)- 0 wails
Zach C (brown dwarf)
1.48ls- 0 wails
Uchaluroja a 1 (metal rich)
20.8Mm- 3 wails
Hip 17692 A 1
0.68ls- 3 wails
Pleione 3 A
643km- 3 howls
Pleione 11 A
5.93Mm- (Internet connection issues occurred, scooped early to avoid loss). 1 wail noted, but probe was scooped early.
Conclusions: Sphere of influence determines if the UP wails. Planets/moons all appear to cause wails. Stars, asteroid belts, and stations do not.
The follow portion are things that I noticed during experimenting that I was not directly testing. As such they are not concretely listed in the results and were not subjected to the same testing rigor.
My observations: The wails appear to happen at *relatively* set intervals. The for instance the first wails always seemed to be 87-89% UP degradation, the other wails occurred similarly within a 1-3% degradation range.
To M Vol
I was planning on testing your theory but cannot currently record. However, using the set intervals I can speak partially about what I found. When I honked with the ADS it appeared the UPs interval timer between wails was frozen. The wails did not appear in the interval expected, instead they were pushed back by the duration of the transmission. I plan to get a full recording at some point and more specifics, this was just a quick test out of my curiosity. I hope it serves to pique curiosity and fully have the sequence tested.
To Dreadpirate and Rizal (and others I may have missed who share this theorycraft)
Don’t write off your theory yet, but don’t try to force the puzzle pieces in. I believe Arguendo makes some excellent points that you should heed. Perhaps the signal instead of *just* listing what is in the system goes about it in a different way?
For instance.
Instead of listing one entry for *each* instance of a celestial body in a system maybe it lists by groups. For instance, instead of saying, Star, planet, moon, moon, moon, moon and not listing celestial bodies that are not present. It may say Stars 1, planets 1, moons 4, 0 asteroid belts. It would also make an over 6 minute message for systems with just 1 star as it lists what’s there as well as what isn’t.
Also of note: Don’t try to assume too much. Maybe part of the signal is a thumbs up or a thumbs down for what the probe is looking for? We have more symbols than possible interpretations, don’t force interpretations just so *something* can fit, leave it open to interpretation on some of the other symbols. When we can get more recordings this will help. Now that some of the basics of the UP mechanics are known we should be able to control for more variables with future research.
@Vent, if you have any good data to add tack it on
Good testing Bung.
Thanks!
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I posted this last night as a test. I wanted to see if anyone would 'get it'. I only left it up a few hours.
http://imgur.com/a/QP9ml
I just wanted to point out how much we ignore and how something unlabeled can be easy to ignore.
Also, I made this deliberately absurd to point out that because something looks absurd doesn't mean it isn't relevant and even packed full of accurate stuff.
If you zoom in on a lot of the imagery there I added symbols that clue in on other parts of the image. Inspiration for this? Children's' odd drawings.
The Merope c5 crater area where I got the hit was at:
19.5566
-43.1332
0.100
Dead center middle of the crater
at a -90 tilt, 305 centering
max altitude 7.45 km
min altitude 1.76 km
Method of finding this?
Clock arithmetic
base 60 math
some conversions like the 6.6d orbit of merope 5c around merope ...and sitting there for hours watching shadows cast by the mountain thing at the middle of the crater move around.
Honked the crater center - yes
Flashed lights at crater center - yes
attempted morse code at crater center - no
A few weeks ago i asked if anyone could take measurements of the creator, but I wasn't sure which one. There's been no one in open in Merope while I've been there for 3 days. Barely any NPC ships either.
Suggestions:
1. Get three friends.
2. Put one person on mountain center of crater
3. Put another friend at end of inner crater.
4. Measure distances
- Third friend used variously for elevation and spotting
From Center of Crater:
Merope 5 is 7.82 Ls
Merope is 5095 Ls
Utility in knowing all this?
If any theories about alignments and time are to be tested someone will have to use C = 2 pi r to begin with, then start testing alignments around the crater for landmarks... btw, the crater is a pretty big landmark. Everyone that has pointed that out (minus me) needs some rep, because it's damn uncanny Merope 5 and Merope are both viewable from the larger crater INSIDE the largest crater of Merope.
http://imgur.com/a/QP9ml
I just wanted to point out how much we ignore and how something unlabeled can be easy to ignore.
Also, I made this deliberately absurd to point out that because something looks absurd doesn't mean it isn't relevant and even packed full of accurate stuff.
If you zoom in on a lot of the imagery there I added symbols that clue in on other parts of the image. Inspiration for this? Children's' odd drawings.
The Merope c5 crater area where I got the hit was at:
19.5566
-43.1332
0.100
Dead center middle of the crater
at a -90 tilt, 305 centering
max altitude 7.45 km
min altitude 1.76 km
Method of finding this?
Clock arithmetic
base 60 math
some conversions like the 6.6d orbit of merope 5c around merope ...and sitting there for hours watching shadows cast by the mountain thing at the middle of the crater move around.
Honked the crater center - yes
Flashed lights at crater center - yes
attempted morse code at crater center - no
A few weeks ago i asked if anyone could take measurements of the creator, but I wasn't sure which one. There's been no one in open in Merope while I've been there for 3 days. Barely any NPC ships either.
Suggestions:
1. Get three friends.
2. Put one person on mountain center of crater
3. Put another friend at end of inner crater.
4. Measure distances
- Third friend used variously for elevation and spotting
From Center of Crater:
Merope 5 is 7.82 Ls
Merope is 5095 Ls
Utility in knowing all this?
If any theories about alignments and time are to be tested someone will have to use C = 2 pi r to begin with, then start testing alignments around the crater for landmarks... btw, the crater is a pretty big landmark. Everyone that has pointed that out (minus me) needs some rep, because it's damn uncanny Merope 5 and Merope are both viewable from the larger crater INSIDE the largest crater of Merope.
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I've been thinking about the "Section PR5 row 2, seats 5&6 - Dead center ice perfect viewing height" problem... and I think I have a solution to it
tinfoil hat on:
Google search "Seating plan PR5" gives the Staples Centre as the first hit. Now the Staples centre has a 3d viewer as well as the plan for the seating.
Measuring the 2d map zoomed in, we can use the proportion of the court size and the seat PR5 Row 2, seats 5 and 6, which matches the description "centre of the ice" (Ridiculously long URL but is the 2d plan which can be zoomed in)
A standard court is 15 m wide, so measuring the distance from Row 2 to the centre of the court, we find the seat is 28m away. The problem now is, what is the height.
Unfortunately this is where the tinfoil hat fits most snugly: I could not find height information, but there is a 3D viewing app here http://www.seats3d.com/mv/staples_center/premium_seat/#/pg_pr_east_sts_9/
Zooming in on the hoop, and measuring the height from the base to the hoop, and the PR5 Row2 on the opposite side, it is about 3.7 times the hoop (3m) = 11.1m
So the important ratio is 11.1 / 28 = 0.39
Now, I might be giving away too much of my own research, but this ratio does appear on the UP message:
http://imgur.com/a/ZCo3K
Any thoughts? Maybe my math is wrong :S .... I have been working on the UP message for several days now, and have not had much sleep. Do I need more tinfoil?
Cheers
Rixaeton (I can't afford a sig, let alone an Anaconda)
tinfoil hat on:
Google search "Seating plan PR5" gives the Staples Centre as the first hit. Now the Staples centre has a 3d viewer as well as the plan for the seating.
Measuring the 2d map zoomed in, we can use the proportion of the court size and the seat PR5 Row 2, seats 5 and 6, which matches the description "centre of the ice" (Ridiculously long URL but is the 2d plan which can be zoomed in)
A standard court is 15 m wide, so measuring the distance from Row 2 to the centre of the court, we find the seat is 28m away. The problem now is, what is the height.
Unfortunately this is where the tinfoil hat fits most snugly: I could not find height information, but there is a 3D viewing app here http://www.seats3d.com/mv/staples_center/premium_seat/#/pg_pr_east_sts_9/
Zooming in on the hoop, and measuring the height from the base to the hoop, and the PR5 Row2 on the opposite side, it is about 3.7 times the hoop (3m) = 11.1m
So the important ratio is 11.1 / 28 = 0.39
Now, I might be giving away too much of my own research, but this ratio does appear on the UP message:
http://imgur.com/a/ZCo3K
Any thoughts? Maybe my math is wrong :S .... I have been working on the UP message for several days now, and have not had much sleep. Do I need more tinfoil?
Cheers
Rixaeton (I can't afford a sig, let alone an Anaconda)
I'm pretty sure that message was confirmed a while back to be completly unrelated.....Even coming from a reddit post....And it was literally about a base ball game i think
However, this reinvigorates the question if the left image isn't a clipped portion of some other image... ala the right
Hey all,
There's a lot to read through here so i might be asking something that's already been asked...
I was checking out the barnacles for the first time and kinda on a whim decided to try scanning one with my rover. The resulting data I sold on afterwards but i got to thinking, could honking the UP with barnacle data make any difference to the data or the UP transmission? has anyone tried?
There's a lot to read through here so i might be asking something that's already been asked...
I was checking out the barnacles for the first time and kinda on a whim decided to try scanning one with my rover. The resulting data I sold on afterwards but i got to thinking, could honking the UP with barnacle data make any difference to the data or the UP transmission? has anyone tried?
it was confirmed and I also believe it was solved.
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