UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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Toxophilist.

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Is anyone open to the idea of a planetarium thingy not based on the ED galaxy view point?





Maybe. I'm still living at work so can't go exploring. Home (RL) in a few more days.
 
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Toxophilist.

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Bluedeer said:
If anyone's been paying attention to Galnet, there's the new Galactic News post as of Aug 5 regarding burying a commander in his Cobra Mk III at Tionisla Graveyard. The Hull Registry is 'Cor Meum et animam', which translates to 'In my Heart Forever'. There was a message of "OTSEAFOTSEAF" that hasn't yet been decoded according to Galnet yet.

Curious to the possibility of this being related, could it be referring to the Heart & Soul Nebula.
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Cor Meum in aeternum is My heart forever. The "soul" is "anima". Most posts refer to the phrase "Cor meum et animam" as My heart and soul.
There have been suggestions that OTSEAFOTSEAF is Feast of Aesto in reverse. Possibly pointing to archaic terms for Easter. Easter, after all, is a european Pagan festival and predates christianity by some time. Would our aliens prefer the elder gods or the new?
Off topic. There is a lovely Cathedral in the UK, Winchester I think, that has all manner of Pagan gods carved into the woodwork and masonry. It was used to bring pagans and non-christians into the church by suggesting a support of their deities. At least that's what the tour guide said.
 

Vitamin Arrr

Vitamin Arrr
Rixaeton said:
For finding things (any thing) this is a good question to ask.

As we all know, finding a precise location on a rotating sphere requires a fixed point in space at the same time each day. For us on Earth Time 0 is when an arbitrary point (Greenwich) is directly below the sun.

In this case, personally I use the rings of Merope 5 in relation to Merope 5C's orbital plane. When you position yourself so you are in the same plane as the orbit in supercruise, and target Merope 5c, move so the ellipse becomes a line. The follow the line until the Merope 5 rings also make a line. I call this Time 0 as it will always be constant regardless of the season. If you then fly around to the opposite side, that point in latitude and longitude will always be directly below Merope 5 at that time of day.

To illustrate (Edit: updated with a gallery that includes the reverse view):

[imgur]DozaJ[/imgur]

We need to do this as, even though Merope 5c is tidally locked we still need to know the time. If Merope 5c had an axial tilt of 0 degrees, we would not need to know the time; the same position (lat,long) would always be below Merope 5. But Merope 5c has an axial tilt of -15.78 degrees, which means the point will oscillate above and below the centre line (ie if you draw a line from the centre of gravity between Merope 5 and Merope 5c's centre, a point would move 15.78 degrees above and below this line in a 6.6 day cycle). I tried measuring the rate of change, and at the time I was there, it was 0.6 degrees north/south per hour, and 0.1 degrees east/west per hour... but that would only be at that time. It could be calculated more accurately as the ratio between the visible long and short axis of the rings, and use trig... but my Maths capability is about 40 years rusty :)

So when you go to that point(s) where they line up, they will always be constant reference point(s) (there are two, one facing toward Merope 5, and the other away) For my Time 0 I land on the facing away side as it is easier to line up, and with the axial plane pointing upper right to lower left, and the Merope 5 rings pointing from Upper left to lower right.

You know, just like the UP map does. :D
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If I understand you correctly, your hypothesis is that this is a map to two points on Merope 5C's surface. Is that right? And which point it is, will alternate each cycle. But what are the latitude and longitude of these points (as you would see in your SRV HUD) so that the community can verify your claim? And in layman's terms, when exactly can we see the rings of Merope 5 tilted at that angle? (Like, an exact date and time, in GMT, please.)

If my understanding is correct then what is the significance of those two points? Should the UP be taken there to see what it does? How does this relate to MB stating that it is a space-based puzzle if indeed, one must land to verify the solution is correct, or at least, to find the significance of it?

Also, how could this possibly relate to the UP's message that it emits normally (the wails, chirps, trills, and purrs which have so far befuddled all takers, despite at least three very thorough analyses)?
 

Toxophilist.

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This looks interesting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algol
Some quotes from the article.
Thus, Algol's magnitude is usually near-constant at 2.1, but regularly dips to 3.4 (1,2,3,4)
From the point of view of the Earth, Algol Aa1 and Algol Aa2 form an eclipsing binary because their orbital plane contains the line of sight to the Earth.
Historically, the star has received a strong association with bloody violence across a wide variety of cultures.


It doesn't take a massive leap of faith to see the spectrogram image as a reference to a pointer to Taurus (Aldebaran. Radial line) with the two lines in the bottom left quadrant pointing to Perseus. All from an Earth (top left) view point(top right). ( our origin as is the center of a circle also an origin). 2,1,3 and 4 appear in its magnitude.
If I get an hour before bed this morning, I might head over for a peek. Nightshifts allow a little research time but no game time.
It is as daft an idea as any but looking through the mythology is its own reward.
 
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simulacrae

simulacrae
Well I like the idea that the UP is responding to our scanners and sending something back that makes me think it is describing a celestial body
So I went with the assumption that it is trying to give us some orbital mechanics.

gerrr as it was pointed out - made a silly number switch - will fix and repost later
 
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CMDR CAHN

CMDR CAHN
Does anyone need any help stealing Unknown Probes from the armored convoys? If anyone wants help robbing those damned fed convoys and needs some muscle, please add Cmdr Cahn [WT] in game and let me know or point me in the right direction. I have a fully G5 modded and combat capable FDL, quite fast and well shielded to lead those escorts on a merry chase. Alternatively I guess we can take them out with a little help from fellow sciencers.
 

Allant Doran

Allant Doran
Morning Commanders.

So last night I dreamt I had solved this piece of the puzzle. I dreamt that the UP lead to a unique USS in the atmosphere of a planet that included a unique, gigantic alien ship. It was being salvaged/defended by a federal fleet, but down on the planet it orbited was a new kind of barnacle.

Then I woke up and now I'm mad at myself hahaha
 

Sealento

Sealento
quick question...what do we do for theories that have been tested an yield no result?

post them here for the record or is there some other place they can go to die?
 

Rixaeton

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Vitamin Arrr said:
If I understand you correctly, your hypothesis is that this is a map to two points on Merope 5C's surface. Is that right?
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Thank you for your questions, and interest. I will try to answer to the best of my ability.

First off, Yes... and no. My hypothesis more specifically is the 45 degree line and the 30/60 degree lines correspond to the rings (side on) and orbital plane respectively. They are included in the message as it is normal to have an agreed fixed start time and/or location as a reference location. I consider it to be a small probability that this is not the case, as the use of the rings and orbital intersection is an obvious, and I think the only, way to fix a consistent location. This is a mathematical property of the system, regardless of the message. However it is very unlikely that, by chance, the reference lines in the message correspond to the rings and orbit exactly, at both time periods (0 and 3.3), and is NOT to be used as a reference time/location mark.

And which point it is, will alternate each cycle. But what are the latitude and longitude of these points (as you would see in your SRV HUD) so that the community can verify your claim? And in layman's terms, when exactly can we see the rings of Merope 5 tilted at that angle? (Like, an exact date and time, in GMT, please.)
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When using the lines as reference points, they will always be the same point on the surface at that time, relative to Merope 5. The points do not alternate, as Merope 5c is tidally locked, so the point that is closest to Merope 5 at Time 0 will also be the closest at Time 3.3. They do oscillate due to the axis inclination, so over time the point on the surface will not be directly below Merope 5 relative to the rings.

Note that this initial reference points are not on either of the sub-solar points (ie: Tropic of Cancer/Tropic of Capricorn). If they were they would be at +/-15.78 degrees north/south, and the longitude would not change (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsolar_point for some more details)

As for the next conjunction.... I think it is tomorrow sometime. I will leave it as an exercise for the reader to work it out.
If my understanding is correct then what is the significance of those two points? Should the UP be taken there to see what it does? How does this relate to MB stating that it is a space-based puzzle if indeed, one must land to verify the solution is correct, or at least, to find the significance of it?
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What significance, apart from telling me important navigation details relative to an Alien Map? I don't know.

Should the UP be taken there to see what it does? That is certainly something someone can do - let us know how it goes. ;)

What MB says does not prevent me from doing Science! :eek: I research and identify phenomena, and draw conclusions based on evidence and probablity. (Science! is how science is done in ED) Besides, knowing the orbital plane, rate of rotation, the concept of tidal locking sounds very space-based to me. [big grin]

Also, how could this possibly relate to the UP's message that it emits normally (the wails, chirps, trills, and purrs which have so far befuddled all takers, despite at least three very thorough analyses)?
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Beats me. ;) What other researchers do will always be valuable, but I suspect the need to further antagonise UPs in order to decode the message is redundant, as the UP already gave us a message, and I don't believe it would go to all this trouble to give us a message that was incomplete, or we needed other information to understand it. Unless it is a real tease. [alien] "Here Human: Have this message from the stars, but I am leaving something out so you can torture me in order to read it." Highly unlikely.

My personal speculation: The message is complete for its purpose, and also contains the absolute minimum of information in order to resolve it to a (possibly) unique solution. I think it is highly unlikely the objective of the message is going to be found by blind luck or brute force.

I hope these answer your questions, and if you have any more, please feel free to ask, but please understand that my time is limited... Stand Back, I'm about to do Science!

Cheers.
Rixaeton - ED Science! (you know - Shoot first! and analyse the debris cloud later...)
 

Xenia_K

Xenia_K
First off all, hello to everybody, new in the english section as based on German-Forum.
As I have some idea I´d like to try out, two short questions:
- all analysis done from same sound-sample? If not
- would Cdrs. which actually did record samples, send me those by PN? THX a lot in advance,

Cdr RandolfK
 

domaq

domaq
Crafting a Broad View of the "Mystery" and its Next Direction

As everyone is determining the details of the UP and searching through the Rift, I was contemplating where this story is going next.

We have Drew's book and stories, Galnet, local Galnet, FD driven interactions and all the rest.
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Now what if (Tin foil hat on):
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The story of our great "Mystery" has similarities to the original Star Trek movies. Here's my logic:
- 6 original movies plus ST: Generations = 7
- ST 1: Voyager Probe found by alien race (President's ship goes missing)
- ST 2: Modified humans return (President returns having experienced the mind-probe-slug-type treatment. Talk of the Missing kicks up. Strange ships start appearing)
- ST 3: Search for Spock (clues from Drew's books bring us to looking for Solome who appears as a player character)
- ST 4: Whale song required to save planet (UP's sonic signature changes based on what is on each planet / in each system)
- ST 5: Search for God at the edge of the universe uncovers powerful entity (searching Formadine Rift for just such entity)
- ST 6: Klingon homeworld devastated by "environmental catastrophe". Plot to end peace between major powers in the galaxy (Mahon positioning himself as the mediator, increased tension between Imps and Feds, possible catastrophe caused by/in the name of this new entity?)
- ST 7: Kirk stuck in extra-dimensional space. Bad guy trying to destroy solar systems to get there. (With the discovery of the entity, Solome tries to go beyond the rift by some sort of massive expelling of energy)
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What does this mean for us? It may mean nothing but it also may give you really smart people out there another clue to solving what the decoder ring says, where to use it, or where to look out in the Rift.
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Think I'll keep my hat on for a while...
 

slartybartfast

slartybartfast
domaq said:
As everyone is determining the details of the UP and searching through the Rift, I was contemplating where this story is going next.

We have Drew's book and stories, Galnet, local Galnet, FD driven interactions and all the rest.
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Now what if (Tin foil hat on):
.
The story of our great "Mystery" has similarities to the original Star Trek movies. Here's my logic:
- 6 original movies plus ST: Generations = 7
- ST 1: Voyager Probe found by alien race (President's ship goes missing)
- ST 2: Modified humans return (President returns having experienced the mind-probe-slug-type treatment. Talk of the Missing kicks up. Strange ships start appearing)
- ST 3: Search for Spock (clues from Drew's books bring us to looking for Solome who appears as a player character)
- ST 4: Whale song required to save planet (UP's sonic signature changes based on what is on each planet / in each system)
- ST 5: Search for God at the edge of the universe uncovers powerful entity (searching Formadine Rift for just such entity)
- ST 6: Klingon homeworld devastated by "environmental catastrophe". Plot to end peace between major powers in the galaxy (Mahon positioning himself as the mediator, increased tension between Imps and Feds, possible catastrophe caused by/in the name of this new entity?)
- ST 7: Kirk stuck in extra-dimensional space. Bad guy trying to destroy solar systems to get there. (With the discovery of the entity, Solome tries to go beyond the rift by some sort of massive expelling of energy)
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What does this mean for us? It may mean nothing but it also may give you really smart people out there another clue to solving what the decoder ring says, where to use it, or where to look out in the Rift.
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Think I'll keep my hat on for a while...
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what that means is none of us should wear red tops :d
 
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