UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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TFW Primus

TFW Primus
DorianBlade said:
So I keep seeing people referencing the UAs as being in a "shell" around Merope. The assumption is that it's because of the barnacles correct? If that were the case, then wouldn't the UAs appear in a shell around other systems where barnacles have been found? If not, then can we not logically assume it has nothing to do with the barnacles? And if so, wouldn't we also expect to find UPs?
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If people are making the assumption that the shell is because of the barnacles, they are making an incorrect assumption.

Per MB:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ad-5-The-Canonn/page185?p=3409375#post3409375
 

TheDeathsHead

TheDeathsHead
So i had a thought after reading Mb's comments today, what if the probe is deployed to convey a greeting message?

What if they were sent to the capital planets of the Empire, Federation, and the Alliance? It is logical (if the probes are a greeting).

So im off to the Alliance homeworld to check for USS's, if anyone is near to the others, worth a shot to check it out.
 
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Siranui

S
Colonel Kenney said:
No I get that, but any other race could place arbitrary relationships to them. They could place the 1 first before the 0 and the numbers may not line up with a base 10 system. We've assumed it is a 1234 set of numbers.
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They could all wear hats to donate numbers and count in base 17.4 amongst themselves, but when attempting to communicate to an alien race, base 2 - established by way of Pi - is a really good thing to use.
 
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Keybuk

Keybuk
Working backwards, trying to find the mashed potato in the shapes I made on my plate...

Draw lines from the Merope system towards other nebulae, search the shell along those lines?

This would probably be easier with a UA, since you could use it as a compass with its tail end pointing towards the other nebula.
 

Phil^

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What about lagrange points in the system, and around 5C? They'd be fairly stable positions from which to scan bodies/systems over periods of time
 

rizal72

rizal72
Mr_beeps said:
Hello All,

I posted a probable solution for the UP mystery over on Reddit yesterday. I have made some tweaks to it since then (I made the graphic without access to the galaxy map and therefore had inaccurate distances) and I think the argument is pretty compelling. Please pick it apart or improve as you see fit. I've drawn two conclusions:

1) The image is a map with a "scale" based upon the radius of the sphere (identified by the binary "1")
2) The map locates and defines the dimensions of the UA shell, and possibly shows us where a "second" shell may be containing free floating UP

You can read my reddit post, but I will summarize here to make it a bit simpler:

The binary numbers in the image represent distances relative to the radius of the UA shell

"1" - this identifies the radius and sets it to equal 1 unit of distance (UAs have been found as close to Merope as 134.2 LY, though I think they could be found as close as 126.6 LY)
- Originally i used 135 as my radius value as I thought I had heard that was the closest UA. I'm adjusting to 126.6 LY (rounding to 127) as the radius, you'll see why

"2" - the arc is at a distance of twice the radius outside of the shell (2x), or 2 times 127 LY which is 254 LY. I'll come back to this

"3" - three times the radius, or 381 LY. Sol is 381 LY away from Merope. The (( I believe indicates a signal being received from Sol. Earth has been broadcasting radio signals into space for about 1400 years (in game) and therefore it would make sense to use this radio signal as a reference point.

"4" - four times the radius, or 508 LY. Note that the \ / symbols start OUTSIDE the shell, therefore the reference points are 4x the radius away from the beginning of the shell, or 5x the radius away from Merope, bringing the total distance to 635 LY from Merope. Now here is where things get interesting:

- The two lines point to two reference points 635 LY away from Merope
- California nebula and witch head nebula are equidistant from Merope (depending on where you measure them from). Using the following stars you get:
 California nebula: 632.61 LY away (DL-y d25 chosen as it is in gases)
Witch head nebula 633.57 LY away(gw-w c1-3 chosen as it is in the gases)

So why did I use 127 LY instead of 135 (or 134.2)? Well, I reverse engineered that radius based upon Merope's distance to sol (381 divided by 3). To make this theory work, we need commanders to look in systems 127 LY away from Merope to see if we can find a UA.

Additionally, the "2" arc is the real question. I think it shows us one of two things:

1) Where the UA shell ends, 2x radial distance from Merope (boring)
2) Where a second shell is, where we may find "free floating" UP (less boring)

So the 2x radial distance is likely 2x the radius outside the shell, or 254 LY out from Merope.

Testable aspects of this theory:

1) Search systems 127 LY away from Merope for UA
2) Search systems 254 LY away from Merope for UP (or slightly less than that for UA)

Please critique, complain, argue, spit on, or approve of this theory. Reddit link below. Note that the graphic contained within the link uses my old inaccurate numbers.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/4wr2ot/up_image_describes_ua_shell_and_possibly_shows/
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This is a fairly good theory, that got lost because of latest MB comments.
I suggest to give a little credit to it. ;)

Anyway, latest MB comments are already on the frontpage as usual.

Fly safe CMDRs.
 

JosephStalin

JosephStalin
what if the Probes are found not light years, but light seconds away from the Merope system. Could be Hutton distance, then youd start seeing Probe signal sources.
 
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ZioYuri78

ZioYuri78
Hey commanders,

could be nothing important but is the first time happen to me, today i was in EOL PROU RS-T D3-94 4 A Ring to mine some Osmium for Jaques and from the asteroid started a strange repetitive sound (is more clear at the end of the video)

[video=youtube;3YZakIV7Ra0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YZakIV7Ra0[/video]

never happen to me something like this, unfortunately i was without scanner because miner outfitting and i don't know if it was some probe or other, sincerely could be nothing, any idea?
 
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Cynaqq

Cynaqq
DorianBlade said:
So I keep seeing people referencing the UAs as being in a "shell" around Merope. The assumption is that it's because of the barnacles correct? If that were the case, then wouldn't the UAs appear in a shell around other systems where barnacles have been found? If not, then can we not logically assume it has nothing to do with the barnacles? And if so, wouldn't we also expect to find UPs?
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This is pretty solid reasoning. If the UA shell was where it is because of the barnies, then there should have been UA shells around other nebulae as well. By this logic and MB's confirmations, UAs have everything to do with Merope and for a very specific reason. He also once said it was pretty obvious but apparently it's not so obvious to us here.
 

iFred

I
Well. I tried a lot of things today. I was looking for an UP-Shell, following mostly the theories I found in this thread.

Distance:

276,00 ly -> Nothing (calculation: doubled the shell-distance)
138,00 ly -> UA found (known shell radius)
206,75 ly -> Nothing (calculation: 10 pound sterling converted to Swaziland Lilangeni)
41,67 ly -> Nothing (calculation: 500 ounces to british pounds)

Actually I am lost :)
 

Cmdr. Cyrano Buckminster

Cmdr. Cyrano Buckminster
iFred said:
Well. I tried a lot of things today. I was looking for an UP-Shell, following mostly the theories I found in this thread.

Distance:

276,00 ly -> Nothing (calculation: doubled the shell-distance)
138,00 ly -> UA found (known shell radius)
206,75 ly -> Nothing (calculation: 10 pound sterling converted to Swaziland Lilangeni)
41,67 ly -> Nothing (calculation: 500 ounces to british pounds)

Actually I am lost :)
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You should've taken that left turn at Albuquerque.
 

budstud

budstud
I've not seen a UA or UP in game, so I can only go on what I have read on this thread. So this question goes out to those who have seen both in game -- what is the size comparison between a UA and a UP? Any chance the UA "gives birth" to the UP?
 

Syax

Syax
Think Mr Beeps theory is a fairly good one.
I do wonder how the end game will play out. I mean, from a game companie's point of view, if you want to release a new major in-game event, ideally you would want as many players as possible being able to actually see the event unfold, rather than one or two hardcore gamers finding it at 4am and posting the video: "Appearance of the Thargoids!".
One could cut off a few corners of some theorised outcomes using that way of thinking. that's a big maybe though.
 

ilo

ilo
budstud said:
I've not seen a UA or UP in game, so I can only go on what I have read on this thread. So this question goes out to those who have seen both in game -- what is the size comparison between a UA and a UP? Any chance the UA "gives birth" to the UP?
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While on this topic, can someone confirm 9 UAs could give an UP 9x faster?
 

Kanoshi

Kanoshi
This has probably already been suggested... but just throwing something out there.

If the UAs point to Merope and are found in a shell around Merope (135-150 ly), perhaps the UPs can be found in a shell around Merope 5C. The distance could be 135-150 ls, or somehow related to the diagram since Thargoids probably don't use ly and ls for measurements.
 

Ozric

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Ozric
ZioYuri78 said:
Hey commanders,

could be nothing important but is the first time happen to me, today i was in EOL PROU RS-T D3-94 4 A Ring to mine some Osmium for Jaques and from the asteroid started a strange repetitive sound

never happen to me something like this, unfortunately i was without scanner because miner outfitting and i don't know if it was some probe or other, sincerely could be nothing, any idea?
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I have no idea what mining sounds like now with all the gizmos, so I'm not sure what I should be listening out for. It sounds like something mechanical.

budstud said:
I've not seen a UA or UP in game, so I can only go on what I have read on this thread. So this question goes out to those who have seen both in game -- what is the size comparison between a UA and a UP? Any chance the UA "gives birth" to the UP?
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I would say the UP is slightly smaller than the UA. It's possible and has been suggested before, but I doubt it personally. I'm sticking with my suggestion ;)
 

TFW Primus

TFW Primus
Cmdr. Cyrano Buckminster said:
You should've taken that left turn at Albuquerque.
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Ecthelion

Ecthelion
Colonel Kenney said:
Or you haven't dropped it closer to another major hub.. and the Pleiades is just the closest place to point?

Makes sense to me .. everything seems focused in one direction. Try taking it to the opposite side of the bubble and see what happens.

I'm curious to see how it reacts near the pipe/bowl area.
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Depends on what you mean by "major hub", but from Ross 47 (364 ly from Merope) it points to Merope (or at least the Pleiades). That's why we went there.

I'm not sure if anyone have dropped a UP further away from the Pleiades in the opposite direction or any direction at all.
 
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