UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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o7 commanders. I haven't read all the latest posts, so I apologize if this has been mentioned already. The latest galnet article about Thargoids mentions that some believe that the electronic counter measure device is reverse engineered from alien tech. So, since its one of the least used modules in the game, why don't we try giving it some potential importance, by adding it to the UP or even UA testing equation. What I mean is, activating it near a probe, or honk a probe while the ECM is activated. Could mean nothing if, all we were meant to derive from UPs was the spectrogram key, but could be worth a try.
 
i wonder
if you deploy ua next to capital ship, honk, then jettison a couple hundreds of up and run - what would happen to capital ship? will it blow up?
if yes, maybe just maybe it can be done with station too? or small moon for that matter?
 
I previously thought that the image was a map with origination and step by step directions on where to go. I had envisioned the spehere cut unto 4 peices and the symbols on the other edge as "step 1, step 2, step3, step 4", and the drawing next to the "steps" as symbols for planetary descriptions "atmospere, star, rings). However given the MB hint that the UP image is the key that idea just isn't valid.

The UP image acquired when scanned it just like equipment we have today, but a certain button and a diagnostics/directions are sent. The image sent is an instruction manual or "key" to deciphering a data stream. The outer markings are the representation of a message chunk of a data stream, and next to that marking is it's definition. The UP image is the dictionary.

Why does it point back to Merope 5C? You need an example to show the proof, a reference.
-|- = Atmosheres
--| = Tidally locked
|-- = Barnacles
-|| = Ringed

Hello folks; I think I may have solved (a big part of) this UP image mystery: It's a system scanning probe.

While listening to Vent Aileron's recordings of the UP, I noted the high-low chirps, and the patterns therein. From the UP I noted the following purrs, and compared them to knowledge of Merope (where the recording was taken) to draw the following theories.

1 instance of 110. There is 1 main star in Merope.
7 instances of 010. 7 atmospheric worlds in Merope (top left quadrant of UP spectro)
6 instances of 011. The icon indicates ringed worlds; there are 6 in Merope.
3 instances of 001 The line drawn in bottom right indicates binary pairings, a line connecting them. There's 3 in Merope.
1 instance of 101. There is 1 asteroid belt in Merope.
2 instances of 100. There are 2 barnacle worlds in Merope, indicated by the bottom left "spikes" on the sphere.

It is my belief the probe scans systems. Of course, it was all in the name all along.
I believe Dreadp1r4te is correct in listening to the UP passively. Using the UP image as a 'key' to decode the data it is sending. The question is of the data stream, is the stream from a resting UP audio or another source? Logic says you include the dictionary with the data. Can we run the experiment that Dreadp1r4t3 ran below and check for consistency? I believe that part of the puzzle is encoded in a data stream, and we aren't making headway like with the UAs due to us finding the UPs in the wrong order, and thus the UP images having been altered from original state.

The convoys are pretty rare, they're not the best way to find the Unknown Probes though.
Michael
The UPs we found have been altered after/due to "orbital testing".
1. Yes.
2. Sort of - different would be more accurate.
Michael
 
Something tells me this metadrive corp will make a frameshift drive competitor that will end up in us getting dragged out of hyperspace by our new unkown freinds
 
Although it looks like they have finally got their act together:

http://www.drewwagar.com/announcements/elite-dangerous-premonition/


The dangerous thing about this.

"We all know that ‘Winter is coming’. Tensions are rising across the core worlds and the distant Pleiades star-cluster. Strange things are happening in the depths of space. This book will be a record of a most dramatic time in the history of Elite, that I can assure you!"

Which means, things will start happening quickly. The book releases early summer 2017.
 
i am sniffing the UP all around ....

i am searching it in a larger shell (300-500 yl) around merope

anyone has a better idea ?
 
The dangerous thing about this.

"We all know that ‘Winter is coming’. Tensions are rising across the core worlds and the distant Pleiades star-cluster. Strange things are happening in the depths of space. This book will be a record of a most dramatic time in the history of Elite, that I can assure you!"

Which means, things will start happening quickly. The book releases early summer 2017.
Strange things in the depths of space? where? what?

also, if the book releases summer 2017, that means the Pleides saga will be over by then (probably means that is when Season 3 will be released)??
 
"What Frontier have asked me to write is the ‘behind the scenes’ view of what is happening in-game and I’ll be writing it as it happens. All those disparate story-line threads you’ve seen: Halsey, Artefacts, Probes, Barnacles, Permit locks, The Rift, Imperial politics, Federal machinations, the secretiveness of the Alliance and those ‘Shadowy Figures’ – yes, they’re all connected and this will explain how – in a way that just can’t be done in depth in-game."

from http://www.drewwagar.com/announcements/elite-dangerous-premonition/
 
Strange things in the depths of space? where? what?

also, if the book releases summer 2017, that means the Pleides saga will be over by then (probably means that is when Season 3 will be released)??

I don't think the Pleiades saga will end, but the 'Unknown' mystery might be done. We've been told no matter what we do, things will happen. We better solve this UP thing fast.
 
Not sure if this has been discovered yet. Just found 2 barnacles sites in the system where the federation and empire has an ongoing war (community goal). They're just outside the federations base on the planet. You'll find both sites just a few kilometers apart from eachoter

Edit: Just found a 3rd barnacle site in "PLEIADES SECTOR IH-V C2-16" (D2) close to the federation headquarters

Edit: Found a 4th site now in the same system...seems to be crawling of them here
 
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also:

"All those disparate story-line threads you’ve seen: Halsey, Artefacts, Probes, Barnacles, PERMIT LOCKS, The Rift, Imperial politics, Federal machinations, the secretiveness of the Alliance and those ‘Shadowy Figures’ – yes, they’re all connected and this will explain how – in a way that just can’t be done in depth in-game."

permit systems confirmed as being important. now if only we had a key to open them...

The last part bothers me though. WHY can't it be done in-game? Why do we have to rely on forums and books and blogs to find out what the heck is happening in this game?
 
I've filed a bug report about the UP in hold doing its EMP when jettisoned after honking at an UA first.

I've received evasive replies:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...d-and-then-the-Probe-is-jettisoned-after-that

This gave me some thoughts......

Does the UP do it's thing after honking and releasing it from your cargohold even when there's no UA?
If that would be so then you would be able to charge a UP within your cargohold and let it do it's thing as soon as you remove it, like within a station or some other place where you're not able to honk but are able to remove the UP.

Probably nothing but just a thought that came up.

Cheers 07
 
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Thargoid reference found in mission board

Hello, all! I'm a somewhat new player and a Fuel Rat on Xbox. DerryBear told me I should stop by and share what I found about a month ago (as of my initially writing this; my internet's been extremely uncooperative and there's been a family emergency since then, so there's been a significant delay in posting), shortly after I'd started playing the game (for reference purposes, I started playing the day before Horizons released for the Xbox).

I've read on the wiki about how FDev has said that there are hints in the game about Thargoids, UAs, and the like, but that they're so obvious, that they refuse to give us any hints as to their location. I seem to have stumbled across one of those hints, and perhaps more importantly, what one of those hint locations is. Knowing where to look means finding even more hints!

When you're in the mission board, you have a list of contacts from various factions. You select a contact, and it lists the missions that faction has available. Above that list of missions, though, is a quote from your contact with that faction. It usually consists of some disparaging remark about having to work with you or if you're lucky, something about how they're happy to see you, and then it goes on to explain what's going on in the system right now for that faction.

I spotted something very peculiar in that quote about a month ago, shortly before I got off the game for a while to allow bugged fines (and their associated bounties) from failing bugged missions to expire (I'm actually slightly irked about that, because all the mission failures really hurt my rep, and my Federal Navy rank reset from Midshipman to 100% Recruit while I was idle; I've heard from some people that it's a bug, and from others, a feature), and I've been wondering just who to tell about it.

I was in either my old A-rated Sidewinder (yes, I actually put myself through the torture of A-rating it and grinding my first two million in that thing) or more likely my fancy new Cobra Mk IV. Still farming data delivery and short-haul cargo missions, as I had been. As always, and like most players, I skipped right past reading that quote, and selected a mission. It's of little consequence, or so I thought. Well... When I used the galaxy map button at the bottom of a mission description, it kicked me back out to the list of missions from that contact while it loaded the map. It's slightly odd, but it's normal behavior. On Xbox, it takes anywhere from ten to forty seconds to load the galaxy map, during which your game is effectively frozen, with all controls locked out. While I was waiting, I busied myself with reading the quote from the faction contact. As I skimmed over it, It was clear that they were preparing for something. Then I reached the end. The last two words stuck out. "Thargoid invasion." I started scouring the surrounding text for some context. The galaxy map loaded before I could read much more, but the word immediately preceding the aforementioned phrase appeared to be "incoming." Now, all I knew about Thargoids at that particular point was that they're a hostile alien race from the series' lore. At most I think I'd been playing for a week. I knew it was somewhat significant, and I hooted and hollered a bit to a friend in my Xbox Live party, but was brushed aside (I think it happened to be that moment when he discovered he had a Viper Mk IV waiting for him at a station as a pre-order bonus or something), and then I returned to plotting my route for the mission, yet another in an endless string of data deliveries and cargo deliveries. By the time I left the galaxy map, the conversation had shifted to how wonderful it is to it actually have internal space in a ship, and what I'd seen had slipped my mind, so I didn't get a screenshot.

I am one-hundred percent certain, and give you all my word as an Eagle Scout (I know this is major and likely to spark some controversy over my trustworthiness, so I'm hoping that gives me a little credibility), that the last two words were indeed "Thargoid invasion." As for the word "incoming," I can only really say that with ninety percent certainty, as it disappeared while I was still processing everything, wrapping my head around what I was seeing.

I think at that point, the farthest I'd travelled from my starting point in LHS 3447 by that point was 44 LY. I remember 44 LY well, because my statistics said 44, but the listing for Elvira Martuuk on the engineers page said 43 (it also later said exactly 300 LY in statistics, as well as 300 LY but with the distance requirement still not met on her page; there seems to be a weird discrepancy there). I was mostly doing missions in the vicinity of Eravate, Kremainn, Uzumeru, Apoyota, Ngaliba, and the like. There had been a few outliers off in the direction of Kini, Obambivas and Sun Takush (such as a pair of missions that I picked up immediately after I bought my Cobra Mk IV somewhere out in that direction, each worth 250,000 credits, with a shared destination further out in that direction), but I'm pretty sure I saw this off in my own personal tiny bubble around Kremainn, Eravate, Apoyota, Ngaliba, and such. It was most likely at an orbital station, as I'd only made one or two surface landings at that point. As for Uzumeru, I don't think I actually ever stopped at any stations there, because the one mission I went to turn in there was at a surface port, and the game bugged out, refusing to let me land.

Whether or not it's possible to track down exactly where I was when I saw that in the mission board is one thing (especially after this long), but I think it's safe to say that we've now found the hinted-at glaringly-obvious place where they've been hiding hints from us. Who among us actually bothers to read the quotes from mission board contacts on a regular basis? Think about it. Pretty much only new players, looking to learn about the game, who typically know nothing about Thargoids, will actually read it. Everyone else typically just ignores it, making it the perfect place to hide things.

I did stumble across something odd in Uzumeru, though. A day (or two, at most, I think: 6/8/2016) after seeing the Thargoid invasion mentioned on the mission board, I'd finally been talked into abandoning my constant mission grinding in favor of Imperial slave trading, well outside the tiny personal bubble that was my comfort zone. A friend of mine came up in his Federal Corvette, to provide an escort as I turned in my twenty missions and made the trip out to the trade route. I went to deliver cargo to a surface port on a moon in Uzumeru, only to get an error message saying that I needed Horizons to land there, even though I had Horizons, and had done surface landings before (just a side note for PC players, there is no launching the game with or without Horizons on Xbox, there is only installing it or uninstalling it). The transaction panel also listed possession of a "planetary landing suite" as a requirement that wasn't met (I don't recall anything in the game by that exact name, actually, which made it very puzzling; it's as though it was a term from the alpha or beta version of Horizons that had been carried over by some accident). The moon didn't even show up on my friend's system map, but he could see it, and his game crashed when he approached it. I aborted the mission and jettisoned my now-stolen cargo above its intended destination. I went to jump to my next destination and my game crashed. I reloaded, now able to land at my previous destination, of course (I now know that such bugs are pretty typical from FDev, but I just accept them and move on, because I absolutely love this game and its community).

Meanwhile, my friend in the Corvette had gotten bored, and started flying in a random direction (generally a vector within about a ten-degree radius of headed toward Kremainn, as I recall; someone in the party later asked me for a vector, and I used a few stars and some of the system's planets for reference, but that's the only one I can remember), to see what there was to see, while I turned in other missions in other systems. When he was about 550,000 Ls out, well past the planets and far into deep space, he found an unknown signal source, much to his surprise. He dropped in, and claimed to have found wreckage of a capital ship (I've known him for years, and have no reason not to trust him).

I started heading there, as he described large pieces of floating debris, and largely-intact Condors that, unlike the other debris, were fixed in place (no bumping them around and sending them flying), were covered in glowing and animated battle scars (worth noting that I've briefly seen similar scarring on a damaged capital ship in a video on YouTube, so it may just be scarring from standard human-built energy weaponry; here's that video: http://youtu.be/gP2uGJRnFfM), and lit up and made strange noises when he got close. Their canopies were broken, their cockpits empty. He was certain that Thargoids were responsible, at which point I told him about what I'd found on the mission board. He then started explaining just what Thargoids were, and how important what I'd seen actually was (thus began my search for where to post all this). He brought a few friends into the party to look at his captures of the wreckage, and they all freaked out.

I finally made it out there, and dropped into his instance. I couldn't see any wreckage other than the Condors, though apparently I was crashing right through the free-floating wreckage, sending it flying all over the place. He was terrified by the sheer creepiness of everything, even in a combat-fitted Corvette with so much hull reinforcement and other equipment that he only had sixteen tons of cargo space, as I recall. He bumped into me, and my small multi-cannon turret (read: quite possibly the weakest weapon in the game) started lighting him up, sending him into a total panic. After investigating there for a while, I got an idea, and entered supercruise. Sure enough, I had my own USS right next to his. It seems to be something that spawns at a fixed distance from the star. Degraded emissions, threat 0.

I dropped out of SC, to find a few materials, and a massive amount of free-floating wreckage. Pretty much every small ship (Sidewinders, Haulers with working lights, etc., also maybe a Fer-de-Lance) plus a lot of stuff I couldn't recognize (definitely human, though). Nothing I could definitively say came from a capital ship, but it's hard to say, as I've never seen one myself. Additionally, there were fixed-position Condors again. Shooting them did nothing, ramming them did nothing (other than the usual triggering of lights and sound by proximity)... Still, without a capital ship, I don't know how Condors would have gotten out that far, since they lack FSDs, as I've been told. One of these days, I need to check a Condor's sub-target list. Considering that Condors and Imperial Fighters can show up in combat zones without a capital ship, I'm thinking they might have compact FSDs capable of supercruise, but not hyperspace jumps.

I've got plenty of video clips and screenshots of the wreckage. I'll likely be posting more later.

Additionally, before taking a break from gaming for a while, one of my (former) friends told me that he'd been pulled from hyperspace. Interdicted, as he put it. He wound up perhaps 500 light years or more off course, going from one nebula to another. He started at Bleae Aewsy AA-A H22 and ended up at Blaa Hypai AA-A H68 (those are nebula names, not system names, but they are still searchable in the galaxy map). It's tempting to think he was pulling my leg, and considering how the game uses hyperspace as a loading screen, I have a difficult time believing it, but he may have been telling the truth, it's hard to say. I personally don't trust him much anymore, since he's recently turned into a griefer who spouts things like "Death to the Fuel Rats" (don't bother asking me for his name; even though we dislike griefers just as much as everyone else, I still care about him as a person, and we still believe it's wrong to dox people; he'll probably dig his own grave with the majority of the ED community soon enough, anyway), but there's still a possibility that he was telling the truth about that... It might be worth looking into, if someone feels like wandering out that direction. Heh, it makes me nervous about the concept of using a T9 for one-jump trading without a high-rated fuel scoop... Oh well. It'll be a while before I get my hands on a T9, anyway.

Videos and screenshots
I've included YouTube and Imgur links in addition to the OneDrive links, as OneDrive tends to crash mobile browsers, and the OneDrive links will likely become dead eventually as I juggle the files. Using YouTube and Imgur also allows me to ask those communities if they've ever seen anything like this. I might post more later, but this is what I have for now, and I told DerryBear I'd finally get this posted a week or two ago. Much sooner than that, actually, but again, my internet service kept cutting out, and then we had a family emergency just as it came back that caused me to forget about finishing this for a while, so this is what I've got for now. I'm using a spoiler tag to keep the size of this post at least somewhat reasonable.

Screenshots:
Elite: Dangerous - USS Investigation - Uzumeru, 6/28/2016 (Imgur album)
http://imgur.com/a/eWJai


Screenshot 1, Condor
Ref: 7-11-2016_4-12-54_AM.png
http://imgur.com/FAjq5MP
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AqrdAGZVJJRkgxTBNF1STvgQqqhr

Screenshot 2, Condor
Ref: 7-11-2016_4-14-02_AM.png
http://imgur.com/nG0FaP3
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AqrdAGZVJJRkgxbL4QsenTFPRQwC

Screenshot 3, Condor
Ref: 7-11-2016_4-20-55_AM.png
http://imgur.com/x1cJoJc
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AqrdAGZVJJRkgxlheXMbVeb6jdGY

Screenshot 4, Hauler
Ref: 7-11-2016_4-21-31_AM.png
http://imgur.com/trQj39M
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AqrdAGZVJJRkgxoDi387t7ejknVc


Videos:
Elite: Dangerous - Unknown Signal Source Investigation - Uzumeru system, 6/8/2016 (YouTube playlist)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLksZdzCsyHD3w6DPkAR6n7If0HW99MsYn


Sound recording and good view of animated battle damage
Cap: 6/8/2016 8:41 AM
Ref: 7-5-2016_6-54-43_AM.mp4:
https://youtu.be/kmBZiF_wbW0
https://1drv.ms/v/s!AqrdAGZVJJRkgw17obveeFBEY543

Orbital view of F69 Condor
Cap: 6/8/2016 8:42 AM
Ref: 7-11-2016_4-16-35_AM.mp4:
https://youtu.be/0MKfx9tWRSo
https://1drv.ms/v/s!AqrdAGZVJJRkgxgTjYtwbJVv-QME

Approach, examine, listen, retreat
Cap: 6/8/2016 8:49 AM
Ref: 7-11-2016_4-14-55_AM.mp4:
https://youtu.be/U6_GwOZy8tA
https://1drv.ms/v/s!AqrdAGZVJJRkgxe1RZ4PmG1iU65q

Experiment with guns and ramming
Cap: 6/8/2016 8:51 AM
Ref: 7-11-2016_4-13-48_AM.mp4:
https://youtu.be/eaZkoqVw_KQ
https://1drv.ms/v/s!AqrdAGZVJJRkgxVVkjhHp1kzbjVN
 

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The last part bothers me though. WHY can't it be done in-game? Why do we have to rely on forums and books and blogs to find out what the heck is happening in this game?

Player groups get attached to stations, why not petition there to be station communication? Limited forum but in game. Be nice to send updates of science and exploration as in game notes. Immersive. Mini canonn galnet.
 
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