UAs, Barnacles and other mysteries Thread 8 - The Canonn

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Correct me if I'm wrong, somebody, but I believe MB has also stated that the UA is solved. That drawing an image of our ship and pointing to Merope was ''Its purpose''.
Which leads me to believe we should focus on the UP and the UP image solely.


Nearly right. He did say that the transmission was it's purpose, but that does not mean it's solved. To whom, why, where etc still need to be answered. As far as the pointing is concerned he said it was deliberate.
 
Nearly right. He did say that the transmission was it's purpose, but that does not mean it's solved. To whom, why, where etc still need to be answered. As far as the pointing is concerned he said it was deliberate.

That's true. I suppose I made an assumption that the following questions; To whom, why, where etc are what the Probe will help us answer.
We have questions about the UA but I don't think the UA as an in-game item can help us solve those at the moment. Maybe it will come back into play later. I still feel strongly that a UP focus is important at this moment.
 
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I have just read through the UP tests spreadsheet. There is lots of good science being done with the UP, but recently we seem to be getting speculation in the requested tests with no obvious theory behind the request other than it hasn't been done yet, presumably in response to the lack of significant progress. Can I reiterate that theory exists to guide experiment, and experiment exists to support/advance/disprove theory.

So I was surprised to see that one test has not yet been done, as to me it is the most obvious: test29, honk the UP in the large crater on Merope 5C. I requested this in my Simples mk2 theory. To me the sonogram is a simple sequence diagram of instructions; that all UPs to date point to the centre of Merope5C gives the clearest hint possible that is the planetary body where the instructions should be followed. The small circle slightly offset from the centre of the sonogram circle represents the largest crater on 5C, the clearest landmark on that planet. I think the glyphs surrounding the circle serve two purposes, firstly representing PI as an instruction to use a logarithmic vertical scale so that the diagram is displayed as a circle, secondly representing the order of the actions to be take at 5C. To recap:
1) approach the large crater on 5C (i.e. along the radial line)
2) land inside the crater but offset South East from the centre, since the radial line clearly shows that offset ***
3) honk the UP
4) something hidden should become visible due to the EMP

*** I remember one sonogram (probably from thread 7) that clearly showed this small circle (which I interpret as representing the large crater) & the radial line leading to it with the offset . However I didn't store a copy of that diagram. I have been looking at the few sonograms I have kept & to me the offset looks to be about (0 to 1, -2) from the crater centre, but my confidence in that value is on the low side & I would really like to see that better diagram again if anyone remembers it!

I have found post #8436 by Cmdr Eugen Bold from thread7, & he reports the centre of the large crater at (19 -41), so my rough guess is that the UP should be honked at around (19 to 20, -43). Interestingly Cmdr Bold also reports in that post an unusual crater within the larger with a central peak at (19.4908, -43.0012). Hence I think the area around that peak should be heavily honked with a UP, PLEASE!!

Note: I think from the videos that the EMP effect is limited to around 250 metres so testing this hypothesis could require quite a lot of repetition in different locations around that area before the theory could be discounted.

Note2: I have no real confidence in any theory that says why the UP provides us with these instructions or who/what species its originators are, so I disclaim all responsibility if following this sequence releases a horde of angry Thargoids!!


has MB confirmed that the UP mystery solvable inspace or on a planet or one or the other. That alone would rule about 50% of the theories floating around one way or the other.

As a side note are there any ammonia terristrials in the paldies nebula ( not landables) but ammonia terristrial worlds i have my own theroy i wish to test out but if it doesnt work outthen it might be worth keeping it silent for now
 
I like this definition of 'Wyrd', it's so Elite:

"The web of cause-and-effect that permeates the universe. The Germanic/North European equivalent of karma. Not to be understood as an externally-controlling fate but rather as the natural consequences of one's own actions; each person shapes their own wyrd. There are also family wyrd and national wyrd, which are shaped by the actions of the group as a whole. Wyrd, therefore, does not control our lives, it just responds to our own actions according to orlog, the fundamental law that governs the workings of our world."

I want a Wyrding Module on my ship!
mind knowing my luck in combat I'd lose my voice just as the Thargoids turned up
 
Refitting my Anaconda before heading out to Jacques. I have this week off work so I'm hoping to get there reasonably soon. A couple days maybe. Would be nice to help build stations and bases out there.
 
Refitting my Anaconda before heading out to Jacques. I have this week off work so I'm hoping to get there reasonably soon. A couple days maybe. Would be nice to help build stations and bases out there.


remember to search the planets of the nebula for barnacles (just dont expect to find anything as a starting point)
 
someone has a peregrina permit ?

p.s. a free floating UP in the peregrina system would make me become angry. :mad:

I'll be hanging around peregrina today probably, but I haven't seen anything sondontnhold your breath. why do you think I'm in this area? :D
 
o7 CMDRs!

It struck me today...our UA friends liked drawing ships.
What about the UP is their answer?
Assuming every quadrant presents a quarter of it and the symbols outside (--I, -I- etc.) indicate how to properly align them and also which lines to draw I fiddled around a little with photoshop:

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Make of it what you will :D
 
Just looking through the spreadsheet : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11-flqh1BfhRg8tPEVy4UaWiXyRQL8VBz42LYmUsHNVY/edit#gid=0

This :

Get the UA to scan a UP and produce an image the way it does for ships. This should be possible as the UA scans the closest object.

Is that right? I mean if say a UA is next to some cargo it images the cargo?

Also doesn't the UA scan immediately meaning it'd always catch your ship?

I mean can do the expermint using a UP and record it if the experiment makes sense, but would need help seeing what it draws.
 
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When I went to collect fragments for Palin from the UA shell I noticed that the UA scan would go off at a distance of 1km. That being said most of time I would be scanned instantly as I was dropped into the instance close enough to the UA to get the instant scan. But occasionally I would start out around 1.5km from the UA.

To perform this test you'd need to push the UP with the nose of your ship so it gets there first. Sounds dangerous when we think of the rarity of UP's. I've been looking for a while and I'm not even getting convoy pops.

This is in response to a requested test on UP/UA interaction. I believe the idea is to get the UA to scan a UP.
 
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thank you for this reply.
I highly doubt free floaters will spawn in Peragrina, the convoy was only found near by it and they seem to be slight random in spawns(They probably have area they can spawn) if anything it might spawn a Probe convoy due to how RNG works
Though it would be ironic if it did spawn(Due to the permit)
 
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When I went to collect fragments for Palin from the UA shell I noticed that the UA scan would go off at a distance of 1km. That being said most of time I would be scanned instantly as I was dropped into the instance close enough to the UA to get the instant scan. But occasionally I would start out around 1.5km from the UA.

To perform this test you'd need to push the UP with the nose of your ship so it gets there first. Sounds dangerous when we think of the rarity of UP's. I've been looking for a while and I'm not even getting convoy pops.

This is in response to a requested test on UP/UA interaction. I believe the idea is to get the UA to scan a UP.

It's correct that the UA scans at 1 km. Before the scann, it Morses nearest local body. After the scan it Morses your ship drawing.

The message is directed at the ship. If two commanders in different ships are in the same instance with the UA, they will recieve different Morse messages. Distance to the UA, within 1km is irelevant.
 
Here's a solid 20 minutes of UP audio if anyone's interested in this side of it.

It's how a free-floater would sound I think. It was gathered by dropping a UP on Merope 5c, where it won't degrade.


Original: https://soundcloud.com/bitstorm-1/unknown-probe-20-minutes
5x speed: https://soundcloud.com/bitstorm-1/unknown-probe-20-minutes-x5-speed
10x speed: https://soundcloud.com/bitstorm-1/unknown-probe-20-minutes-x10-speed

But I listen to this and hear the same lack of triple as the UA so can't help thinking it will be just as fruitless.

Also it looks like the UP has two light sources.

The main external one but another ambient one, it's kinda odd. Like when the UP is on the surface you can see a red light flashing independently to the main head light. Maybe it's just there to create the lit dustcloud effect or something.

Here is bitstorm's recording transcribed. x's are the wails I couldn't pick out. In the 2nd one the x's were "patched" assuming the "no three in a row" is a rule. Still left three I couldn't separate the pulse from the wail.

Whole Recording
.-x-..-x.-..-..-.--.--.-.--x--.-x..-.x-..-..-..--..--.--..--.--.-..--.-x..-.x-.--x.-.-..-.-.-..-.--..-.-.--..-..-

Whole Recording with no repeat fix for wails
.-.-..-x.-..-..-.--.--.-.--.--.--..-.x-..-..-..--..--.--..--.--.-..--.--..-.x-.--..-.-..-.-.-..-.--..-.-.--..-..-

I also took the other two 6 min transcriptions from merope 5c (space) and tried to align them but no luck. It doesn't look like there is an obvious repeating pattern.

I listened to the chirps some, some are 3 symbols, some are 5. They don't seem to be syncronized with the tuba.

With this recording you have 4 things going on, ambient, tuba, chrips, and wails and none of it is synchronized. It all just seem pseudo-random.

If the image is the key to the probes audio signal we still don't know what to do with it.

The body-counting/system-description idea is nice but without a repeat where do you stop/start?

There is a telephone transmission code called Alternate Mark Inversion (AMI) that does a +1/0/-1 encryption/substitution for repeating 1's in a data stream but with only two tuba symbols I don't see how that would fit either.

Listening to probes doesn't seem to be leading us anywhere unless we are just missing something really obvious.

I just don't know what to make of that comment in the patch notes about the 6 min duration fix. How could that be a thing if it's pseudo-random?
 
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