2.2 Reveal confirmed for gamescom

[Moonax IRL]

Yeah I can't see why the npc pilot should not give the option to auto dock but we don`t know where FD is going with the NPC crew development so they may have something planned on that front.

 

[Winterwalker]

Yeah I can't see why the npc pilot should not give the option to auto dock but we don`t know where FD is going with the NPC crew development so they may have something planned on that front.

Co-pilot auto dock would be a hoot .. especially if "proficiency" scales with Elite Rank ..

Would you put the controls of your Corvette .. in the hands of a Novice???

 

[Jex =TE=]

But you are more than willing to discuss, sorry dismiss everything post 1.6 that you have not tried and everything in 2.2 that nobody has tried?

No I've been very clear on what I've had to say. Refer to my previous posts for that and if you have a point at all, come back to me and we can discuss it.

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Your previous outlined statement is a fanboy comment if there ever was, such unquestioning belief is not healthy given the 100`s of millions poured into SC and it been in "alpha" for years plus missing deadline after deadline. Not to mention its pay to win system.

Edit- had to re-post as original deleted for some reason.

What universe do you live in. I only just addressed it with a fairly long post and all you can do is point your finger and say "haha!" - I just explained it to you and you've replied back with the same "you're a fanboy"

Considering I don't own it and I take a look at it every 3 months, how would I be considered a fanboy?

 

[Jex =TE=]

.. and yet Elite is in a permanent state of development, and that can be discussed, particularly sections you're not even using?

I'm sorry, you really need to stop now, you're dominating this thread with arguments that should relate to a season update for a season you've not invested for. Common sense and ettiquette. Two cents is fine, but every other post being perpetuated surely seems a little rude now. Let people talk about 2.2, not your opinions on a season you've yet to participate in. Good lord, I'd be a little alarmed if I was dominating this thread and I was in the 2.0 season...

On topic: Still not happy about the NPC crew lol. Just read the keynotes. Too few ships with fighter capacity to enjoy using a crew or fighters. In itself it's great, but I was really hoping that NPCs would give all players something to look forward to! Oh well. The minor stuff still looks positive. Planets and navigation.

Then quit talking to me. If you actually made some points that weren't attacks, I'd happily leave them at that but no, you have to go further.

What's so hard to get - SC is unfinished alpha state - ED is a finished product that they're adding to. All of the expansions have been failures according to the data we have access to and we've just seen "passengers" which look like cargo missions. The reason I can talk about ED is because I know about it - I don't talk about SC because I don't know much about it - when there's a game there I'd take a look. I'd be surprised if there's any depth to this update and if they keep adding shallow gameplay, more people will leave the game. How about you start asking for more detail so people have something of substance to play with - why are you so opposed to deeper and more negaging gameplay mechanics?

So according to you, everyone should shut up about 2.2 since nobody has it, we can't all talk about it so why are you posting in this thread?

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You can't be taken seriously in any form if you think you can properly assess something w/o personally playing it yourself, that's what is utterly ridiculous about your post.

So because I haven't played "passengers" I could possibly know what the gameplay is like? That's seriusly what you're saying? Can you now see how I can know what the game play with be like in that regard or does flying places also need to be done because I've done that along with buy and filling a passenger, i mean, cargo hold.

 

[Theodrid]

No I've been very clear on what I've had to say. Refer to my previous posts for that and if you have a point at all, come back to me and we can discuss it

Okay Jex, so when you say :-

LMAO - that's a fanboy statement (put's on Mac's vocie from worthabuy....)

Guys?...guys????.......

I'm not prepared to even discuss a game that isn't finished yet - nobody in their right mind would do that. I don't keep up with SC that much, I'll dip in every now and then to take a look but considering the stuff they're putting in to work on day one how long do you think game development must take?

So go on then, why should we be discussing an unfinished game with bigger goals than either ED or NMS? Where is that going to get us when we're talking about Elite Dangerous? How is it relevent to a completely different game?

When Goat Simulator 2 comes out, are you going to be referencing Star Citizen? "Well I don't like the way this GS is going...", "OMGZ don't you dare talk about GS like that when Star Citizen is pay to win and isn't finished yet!!!"

Who cares about how much money people have paid into it if at the end of it all, they produce a great game? How does me saying the game is in alpha make me a fanboy?

I can't take you seriously if that's your arguemnt, sorry

- You sate that you cannot take people seriously, and you would never discussed an unfinished game, what is the difference then regarding unfinished updates/expansions that you have not even tried, see your below quotes :-

We're not talking about you though - we're talking about the 16 people that play CQC and the 25 that play PP and how many people quit ED over the Engineers? You can pull the wool over your eyes if you want but the "expansions" were massive failures.

Now look at Engineers - in an attempt to stop the massive haemorrhaging of players due to RNG on top of RNG on top of massive grind, they reduced the time needed to get the upgrades right? Making them something everyone will have in a few weeks and now all they've done is leveled everyone up. Once everyone has the upgrades, how does that make the gameplay better? If everyone has increased shields and firepower you're exactly in the same place you started and have acheived nothing - so why did they spend all that time making it then? So everyone could go 30% larger on their jump distances?

..or...:-

We need to stop making excuses for FD because of staff or money. They have money, they have staff. NMS can make a game with 15 people. Same can be said for The Forest.

As for SC, people need to stop talking about that. The game is in alpha - if people can't except that it shows they know nothing and aren't entitled to any opinion. SC is going for a much larger goal than either NMS or ED so no wonder it's taking that much longer to make. That still doesn't mean it'll be any good - it could suck massively.

FD wasted their dev time on CQC, PP and Eng which is factual given the first 2 hardly anybody plays and the last one...well, we all saw the massive fallout from that! With missions still bugged and shallow repetitive game mechanics all on top of that, what is everybody playing that's IN the game and not something they had to make up BECAUSE of the game?

What was that you were saying again about not discussing unfinished products? - oh yeah :-

LMAO - that's a fanboy statement (put's on Mac's vocie from worthabuy....)

Guys?...guys????.......

I'm not prepared to even discuss a game that isn't finished yet - nobody in their right mind would do that. I don't keep up with SC that much, I'll dip in every now and then to take a look but considering the stuff they're putting in to work on day one how long do you think game development must take?

So go on then, why should we be discussing an unfinished game with bigger goals than either ED or NMS? Where is that going to get us when we're talking about Elite Dangerous? How is it relevent to a completely different game?

When Goat Simulator 2 comes out, are you going to be referencing Star Citizen? "Well I don't like the way this GS is going...", "OMGZ don't you dare talk about GS like that when Star Citizen is pay to win and isn't finished yet!!!"

Who cares about how much money people have paid into it if at the end of it all, they produce a great game? How does me saying the game is in alpha make me a fanboy?

I can't take you seriously if that's your arguemnt, sorry

and most importantly :-

Exactly this. Anyone here saying you can't complain isn't worth talking with because they simply cannot see anything and have made themselves blind. To what point is there raising issues when "The game is already perfect as it is!!!"

You know what, people were saying it was perfect when it released - the same people so there's your bar - we already hit it back on release day however, some people aren't gamers here because they aren't comparing ED to other games either that or they simply don't have the capacity to remember things.

There are massive issues with ED unless you like the simplist gameplay mechanics then you're good. Obvioulsy, some portion of the player base are fine with this. Once people have docked with the same new stations a hundred times, they won't even bother looking at them because they're lifeless. The new hyperspace animation will be the same most likely. New stars well, we've all seen the exisiting stars so yeah, it's nice to have them in. Ship launched fighters, one at a time - big deal? Passenger missions - who's getting excited over parcel delivery missions here?

Is this what we're going to expect over the course of development, tacky, shallow RNG missions?

Quite a bit of hypocrisy there don't you think?

Also, Jex, be honest here, if you were playing an expansion of a game you enjoyed and someone that had not played the expansion starting trashing it based on YouTube videos you would quite rightly call them out on it.

 

[Insomnia]

The only feature among all the new stuff that excites me is NPC crew. That is absolutely wonderful and I've been waiting for it for some time.

Thank you FD!

 

[Jex =TE=]

I form my opinions from my own experience of playing the game. So I'm spoonfeeding myself I guess?

You seem to be interpreting my lack of willingness to enter into a discussion with you as an indicator of me lacking either the evidence or the debating skills with which to do so. It's actually much simpler than that. You believe you're right. I believe that we're discussing something which is ultimately so grounded in individual players opinions of what they find enjoyable in a game that there is no 'right' or 'wrong' only opinions. Yet you completely refuse to accept that anyone else's opinion may have validity (even to them, when they are assessing their own personal enjoyment of a game) and instead shout down or dismiss anything they have to say in exactly the same high-handed manner that you've just replied to my post.

In short, I don't enter into discussions with you because not only am I not going to convince you to have a different opinion, I don't even want to try to do so. Your opinion is as valid to you as mine is to me when it comes to assessing your enjoyment of a game. None of that changes the fact that without any personal experience of the aspects of the game that you're criticising, you really don't have the full picture.

I was considering buying NMS when it was released. I still am but I'll be waiting until it becomes available on a Steam sale and has had a few more content/bugfixing patches released. I've made that decision based on the wide array of feedback from players, youtube videos, editorials and other information about the game. I've looked at a good range of information, positive and negative and have also kept the fact that many of the players providing feedback have been backers or players who pre-ordered and so have an level of financial and in some cases emotional investment in the game that has undoubtedly coloured their views. I consider that enough information on which to base a buying decision for me, after all short of a playtest on a friend's PC it's the same basis on which we make most of our game-buying decisions.

What I don't consider it enough for though is going onto the NMS forums and lecturing people who are actually playing the game and the developers themselves on what they should do/wherethey're going wrong. If you do, we clearly have a significant difference of opinion. As such, I think it best that we do as the mods ask and leave it there.

I read the first two lines and really, I can't be bothered to explain myself again. You didn't understand anything I wrote and your replies are why I don't read them. You go off on some weird tangent and fail to address what's being argued. I say you made stuff up and clearly pointed that out, you come back with nonsense claiming you didn't when it's clear you did. You can't see that which means further communications with you is obviously going to be pointless. Have a nice day though

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You and Jex represent the different poles of Internet forum users. I happen to side heavily with your position on this topic; everybody has an opinion but those whose opinion is based on fact and experience with the topic under discussion will alway be given more weight.

Edit: your avatar still disturbes me, though

You represent the forum user at the end of a pole that doesn't happen to understand things and doesn't know what a "fact" or an "opinion" is.

 

[Maruun]

Atleast i miss the Python in this list but who knows maybe that gonna add more ships.

What else should the python be able to do? It can land on a medium pad it can carry as much cargo as a large pad ship, it is pretty good armed for a medium sized ship...

If at all it doesnt need a fighter bay additionaly it is already a pretty good deal for a medium pad ship. The BEST for multipurpose...

 

[Jex =TE=]

Okay Jex, so when you say :-



- You sate that you cannot take people seriously, and you would never discussed an unfinished game, what is the difference then regarding unfinished updates/expansions that you have not even tried, see your below quotes :-



..or...:-



What was that you were saying again about not discussing unfinished products? - oh yeah :-



Quite a bit of hypocrisy there don't you think?

Also, Jex, be honest here, if you were playing an expansion of a game you enjoyed and someone that had not played the expansion starting trashing it based on YouTube videos you would quite rightly call them out on it.

What part of a released game do I need to keep explaining here? Why are you trying to make this about a game that isn't even finished yet? I didn't come on the Elite forums and say anything when I didn't even have it I just kept away as I wanted to be surprised by the game.

Either way, I have the non horizons game and if you think you're saying that I don't know the game from that then you're simply wrong. Are you saying I have no possible idea what trading is like - are u saying passengers ins't like trading? It sure looks the same to me but what would I know, I only did it in the same game you're playing.

Do I need to play horizons to complain about the bases all looking the same on planets but I can't have an opinion on that because I didn't phyically go down and see them. That watching a monitor with the thing in front of me somehow magically transforms to something different only when I'm sat at the controls? You're basically saying that anybody sat next to someone playing a game hcan have no opinion on the matter and that is plain dense. Is that what people here are really arguing? So you're saying if you sit and watch ur mate play a game you have no opinion on the matter?

Oh, you better stop all political thoughts, all thoughts and opinion about everything you've never done in real life because unless you all have done thses things in real life, you have no say on anything ever. That's your position, not mine.

 

[Theodrid]

What part of a released game do I need to keep explaining here? Why are you trying to make this about a game that isn't even finished yet? I didn't come on the Elite forums and say anything when I didn't even have it I just kept away as I wanted to be surprised by the game.

Either way, I have the non horizons game and if you think you're saying that I don't know the game from that then you're simply wrong. Are you saying I have no possible idea what trading is like - are u saying passengers ins't like trading? It sure looks the same to me but what would I know, I only did it in the same game you're playing.

Do I need to play horizons to complain about the bases all looking the same on planets but I can't have an opinion on that because I didn't phyically go down and see them. That watching a monitor with the thing in front of me somehow magically transforms to something different only when I'm sat at the controls? You're basically saying that anybody sat next to someone playing a game hcan have no opinion on the matter and that is plain dense. Is that what people here are really arguing? So you're saying if you sit and watch ur mate play a game you have no opinion on the matter?

Oh, you better stop all political thoughts, all thoughts and opinion about everything you've never done in real life because unless you all have done thses things in real life, you have no say on anything ever. That's your position, not mine.

No, I'm saying you have a very limited scope on what Engineers is like, what planetary landings are like, and like the rest of us, what 2.2 is going to look like. Of course with 1.6 you know the mechanics of 1.6 - not in dispute and I didn't ever say, 'you don't know what trading is like'. And just to be clear, all the planetary bases are not the same, there are many variants.

There is not a lot of difference in discussing an unfinished game, (which, as you state you would never do as 'nobody in their right mind would'), and discussing an unfinished update such as 2.2, clear hypocrisy as I said. I've sat next to my mates, seen them play, sure, you can get a handle on it, but there is nothing like being there, doing it for yourself, you must be able to make that distinction? For some reason you seem to be able to see that regarding SC but not an unfinished Elite 2.2 update, bizarre.

 

[AlPilg]

https://elitedangerous2016.wordpress.com/2016/08/14/gamescom-live-updates/

 

[hood1]

It doesn't matter anyway. FD have enough in the bank to keep the lights on for years

FD have enough in the bank to keep the lights on for about six months.

That's since the drop reported in the latest financial statement. http://web.archive.org/web/20160819...ckey=1323-12881582-7BP50DEVAK9CRO1QPVLL6OJCOT

 

[LeoBartlet]

I form my opinions from my own experience of playing the game. So I'm spoonfeeding myself I guess?

You seem to be interpreting my lack of willingness to enter into a discussion with you as an indicator of me lacking either the evidence or the debating skills with which to do so. It's actually much simpler than that. You believe you're right. I believe that we're discussing something which is ultimately so grounded in individual players opinions of what they find enjoyable in a game that there is no 'right' or 'wrong' only opinions. Yet you completely refuse to accept that anyone else's opinion may have validity (even to them, when they are assessing their own personal enjoyment of a game) and instead shout down or dismiss anything they have to say in exactly the same high-handed manner that you've just replied to my post.

In short, I don't enter into discussions with you because not only am I not going to convince you to have a different opinion, I don't even want to try to do so. Your opinion is as valid to you as mine is to me when it comes to assessing your enjoyment of a game. None of that changes the fact that without any personal experience of the aspects of the game that you're criticising, you really don't have the full picture.

I was considering buying NMS when it was released. I still am but I'll be waiting until it becomes available on a Steam sale and has had a few more content/bugfixing patches released. I've made that decision based on the wide array of feedback from players, youtube videos, editorials and other information about the game. I've looked at a good range of information, positive and negative and have also kept the fact that many of the players providing feedback have been backers or players who pre-ordered and so have an level of financial and in some cases emotional investment in the game that has undoubtedly coloured their views. I consider that enough information on which to base a buying decision for me, after all short of a playtest on a friend's PC it's the same basis on which we make most of our game-buying decisions.

What I don't consider it enough for though is going onto the NMS forums and lecturing people who are actually playing the game and the developers themselves on what they should do/wherethey're going wrong. If you do, we clearly have a significant difference of opinion. As such, I think it best that we do as the mods ask and leave it there.

There you go again trying to reason with the least among us.

 

[askavir]

Just got home from work, are there any more news today, beside fighter hangars being spaceship factories and NPC crew being drone controllers instead of pilots?

 

[h347h]

Just got home from work, are there any more news today, beside fighter hangars being spaceship factories and NPC crew being drone controllers instead of pilots?

https://elitedangerous2016.wordpress.com/2016/08/14/gamescom-live-updates/

 

[Frankymole]

Where is the daily Q&A thread as in "we'll be setting up a forum Q&A to post in at the end of each day"? I can't find it.

 

[askavir]

https://elitedangerous2016.wordpress.com/2016/08/14/gamescom-live-updates/

Thanks!

Great summary, most of this stuff is excellent.

 

[zzehirbazz]

To me it sounds like 2.2 is the biggest update since 2.0
If "some" volcanism makes it to 2.2 it literally means they are improving planetary mechanics for atmospheric landing. I have mentioned surface mineral veins to be prospected a couple of months ago as a suggestion and it is good to see it makes it's way to the game on 2.2 as well. All signs of improved flora and fauna.

I hope Thargoids also open up new means for researching new tech, ships as a secondary option to go for. Imo there has to be more races in the future as well. What I would most like to see in a couple of years is the ability to research and use tier 2 tier 3 ships with cosmetic differences just like EVE.

 

[Kestril]

2.2 looks amazing! So far! Fdev have really knocked it out of the part with this one!

 

[Patrick_68000]

Yes from what we have seen so far at Gamescom, 2.2 is a large update, very rich and varied