To all you player groups UA bombing places like Robigo and Sothis...

[Trinity Star]

If you don't defend it and it gets shut down, well that's your problem. Quit crying about your exploit getting legitimetly shut down by some players.


GOOD FOR YOU UA BOMBERS!!!! Shutting down what FD is afraid to do - and I don't blame them, look at these crybabies!!!! [smile] [up]

As I understand there's no way to defend against it until the station actually gets shutsdown, since alloys have no effect until the station goes offline.

 

[bobby hostile]

It's not easy. It's incredibly dull lol

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Hell yeah. What else do you think they're used for lol

Uh... dull ain't really hard now is it? I'd get tired real quick of the same route.

 

[goemon]

Sirius are the factions with highest influence in Ceos right now and Sothis is looking like anyone's game due to them all being fairly close

so, there is hope.

 

[Cmdr. Numa]

I'm not against these mechanics per se, but I direly miss ingame consequences. Shutting down a station should be a major crime, and CMDRs found to have sold UAs there should get flagged as criminal and be hunted. This utter lack of consequence for malicious characters is what ultimately annoys about the game to no end.

 

[nathdixon92]

As I understand there's no way to defend against it until the station actually gets shutsdown, since alloys have no effect until the station goes offline.

Blockade the station. Interdiction any one you see in sc and cargo scan them.

 

[[DOOK] Droogie]

I think the real question is: Why are stations still accepting them knowing that they will be shut down? Even in the black market, knowing they're bad for business and will shut down your operation makes no logistical sense whatsoever.

It isn't like their effect is a secret. I don't have a dog in this fight. I just find it odd.

 

[Goose4291]

As I understand there's no way to defend against it until the station actually gets shutsdown, since alloys have no effect until the station goes offline.

One or two player groups have managed to stymie the effects of a UA attack on their home stations the moment that it shows up as 'experiencing technical difficulties' on GALNET. You've just got to wedge the MA's in quickly at that point.

 

[Trinity Star]

Well once these alloys have been used by the station I do think the station should become immune to further attacks.

 

[Iskariot]

Screw you. Seriously. Stop trying to ruin other people's fun. If you don't like Sothis and Robigo? Then DON'T USE THEM. But stop messing with other people.

Frontier? Please remove this stupid griefing mechanic.

Isn't there a counter to this?

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I think the real question is: Why are stations still accepting them knowing that they will be shut down? Even in the black market, knowing they're bad for business and will shut down your operation makes no logistical sense whatsoever.

It isn't like their effect is a secret. I don't have a dog in this fight. I just find it odd.

I agree.
It is not realistic. Nobody on a station should want to accept them anymore.

 

[Vasious]

Isn't there a counter to this?

That would involve stopping the CR grind though
Just as looking for an alternative system cluster seems to be too much effort

That game and all other players must confirm to how the OP wants to play, not the OP confirm to the game rules

 

[Lobstris]

Well TBH, I've always considered long range smuggling to be exploitative, and not really in keeping with the rest of the game, so... emergent gameplay away!

 

[Goose4291]

Well once these alloys have been used by the station I do think the station should become immune to further attacks.

Makes logical sense, seen as you've effectively immunised the station from the Artifacts effects.

However I'd just point out the following:

 

[Sans Daring]

Every time someone calls out "griefing", a cute adorable kitten is killed.

I think "griefing" is a term that really needs redefining. If you make in in-game action that affects other situations, be they player or environment for the intent of in-game play, it's fine. If you are trying to change systems or affect other players for external reasons, for instance, you don't like how Robigo makes players rich, that's griefing. Your reasons are not motivated externally, not internally.

Don't get me wrong, I think Robigo is fun but it's rewards are just too high imo. High gain, high risk (in theory, though I was never caught when I did a few runs). I'd rather Robigo et al didn't exist with such fast easy rewards as I think it does imbalance the game and player growth, personally speaking.

But ultimately, if you're making actions based on external politics, that will affect other people's gaming experience, that's grief. You can dress it up and say "well my character dispises the slave trade" which is fine, but ultimately you know you're dressing up a political mandate with a game excuse.

So as much as I hate to say it, yes, if people are targeting systems for external politics (they don't like or believe that players should be using a run to exploit large cash windfalls), I think that is pretty much griefing as that's not based around any in game reason. If you've happened to decide to affect an area for your own in-game benefit, as the mod suggested earlier, how one player's choices are always detrimental to another, that's fine. Like I said, it's an easy line to distinguish in theory, but only the players themselves know whether they're being called out for an in-game business plan they are doing as part of the Elite universe, or just to irritate players who they feel shouldn't be playing the game as they are.

I don't think FDev can really impose any "policy" on this. Proving grief to in-game choices is difficult, and as soon as you do so on specific runs, the game itself becomes political in protecting specific gamers over others and their routes.

Ultimately this is a time I think is best to suck it up and try to make cash elsewhere, perhaps.

 

[Vasious]

I agree.
It is not realistic. Nobody on a station should want to accept them anymore.

Never under estimate Human greed as a way of ignoring negative consequences, assuming Human motives for the NPCs running the black-markets in game

 

[Banana's_Are_Good_For_You]

Meanwhile, all those of us who are quite happily doing our thing and not trying to fast track stuff are still having fun*.

* I should add that fun is in the eye of the beholder and that one persons fun may not equate to another's.

I should further add that I'm a Banana and care little for Human social politics.

There are a multitude of ways to make money in this game, I would suggest some Human's learn them.

 

[the100thmonkey]

^ Mr Moderator makes sense.

If you don't take care of the background simulation, you yourself risk causing issues for other players. Has anyone seen just how wildly the influence in these 2 systems has been fluctuating? Still at least Edmond has failed to get a grip on the system despite 3 attempts in 6 weeks lol

The BGS != Powerplay.

I'm not at my PC right now, so can't give exact figures, but I'd suggest that Mahon doesn't want - like really doesn't want Sothis. It's either a fifth column to lumber him with CC-negative systems, or deliberate prep to waste CC. My experience with the Mahon subreddit is that they're extremely organised and know exactly what they're doing.

The same people crying about Sothis are quick to point out that there are 20+ other systems that can be used to make obscene amounts of credits the exact same way. So if this means of making credits is integral to your gameplay, you're not being kept from continuing to do so at all.

It's not a single player game. The quicker you get over not playing one, the less whining you'll be driven to do. manipulating the BGS is how the game works. You're not above it when it's good for you, just as you're not above it when it's bad for you.

Just as " it didn't stop you from taking missions with them, anymore than when the controlling faction changed in my home system" Sothis and Ruby and Cleo or whatever they are called, being closed does not stop you from any of the numerous other economic avenues available in game.

Use your skills and knowledge you have learnt on how the BGS plays and find those other opportunities.
As surely you are not just relying on S R & C because everyone else did, right?

Do you guys really consider UA-bombing to be "manipulating the BGS"? I call it weaksauce.

As I understand there's no way to defend against it until the station actually gets shutsdown, since alloys have no effect until the station goes offline.

Quite. Have the processes been automated yet? As I recall, the devs took a load of stations offline at the same time. Irens Dock in Manite was UA-bombed, but not a thing happened for well over a month, when the devs seemingly decided to take a look at which stations had been bombed, then had to disable about twenty at once

Manual mechanic is a terrible mechanic.

 

[WR3ND]

Never under estimate Human greed as a way of ignoring negative consequences, assuming Human motives for the NPCs running the black-markets in game

Or calling other players griefers...

I mean, they very well might be. Kind of a moot point though, in my opinion.

 

[nathdixon92]

I think I need to go to hospital. My sodium levels are too high.

 

[[DOOK] Droogie]

Never under estimate Human greed as a way of ignoring negative consequences, assuming Human motives for the NPCs running the black-markets in game

That applies well to if's. When it is a risk, some take the gamble. This is a guarantee. You will be shut down. That isn't greed. That's a market that wouldn't be functioning anyway.

 

[Vasious]

Do you guys really consider UA-bombing to be "manipulating the BGS"? I call it weaksauce.

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On a fundamental level, is there a difference from delivery UA that cause an effect on the system, and attacking System Authority ships and traders to cause a lockdown?

Both can be countered by in game actions.

Seems to be playing the BGS to me, weak sauce or not.

Just as Sothis is playing the background sim by getting allied to a faction that needs to pay a premium in credits for your services due to the distances provided, and encouraging missions by pushing the factions into boom.