2.2's Instant Ship and Module Transport - Yay or Nay?

[Flimley]

So?
Does that stop us from giving feedback? we are not hurting them , hell we are not insulting them. I respect FD , and if FD tell me post feedback and post beta feedback that its going to stay this way , then I will role with it.
However , elite will be less deep if it stays the way it currently going to be.

Depth is important.

I am all for it , but it needs tweaks (in my opinion)

Its important to note , that was said on live-stream before any feedback.
FD want our feedback , it helps them.

And its possible FD did not think about the powerplay ballance meta , or multi-role ballance. they are only human.
Its nothing personal , its just feedback

I wonder if Sandro wasnt just using reverse psychology in that instance...? You know....

Flimley

 

[Privata]

Either way you're dismissing nearly 80% of the votes as being exaggerated. We could easily dismiss your 20% as being "lazy". But instead we are presenting logical arguments and alternatives. And what are you presenting? "I cheated fair and square. And I want it right naaooo!!". Sorry not compelled.

Remember when we were going to start with only 100cr instead of 1000?
Remember when 1.500cr was a big bounty?
Remember when the AI could fight?
Remember when the game did not have PUSH X TO DO Y all over the screen?

 

[Ra'Kaan]

I wonder if Sandro is using reverse psychology in this instance...? You know....

Flimley

Point Flimley - hahahaha very good point!

 

[Cageman]

I'm almost certain he's purposefully ignoring all posts that point out that the transfer time would continue ticking over even when you're offline.

I think you are absolutely right.

 

[Ziljan]

In providing an argument of why I don't want to wait 2 days to get my ship. Personal attacks are uncalled for.

It takes the average person around 2 days to get to Jaques. Personally I think that's a reasonable waiting period if you're trying to bypass at 5 day slog to Jaques with your FDL/Corvette.

Your personal life/convenience issues shouldn't be a reason why 80% of players get their hard work invalidated and dumped out the window.

 

[[DOOK] Droogie]

I think you are absolutely right.

No, he is not.

 

[Atebits]

Jacques is Discovered:
Everyone flies 4 days one-way in mining ships to help out.
Variously ships get damaged: they fly 4 days back.

Jacques CG 1 goes live:
Everyone flies as much as 9 days to Jacques in 13.4 fully laden ships one way.
Variously ships get damaged: they fly as much as 4 days back.

This happens multiple trips for this CG.

Jacques CG 2 goes live:
... all above continues



If it was instantaneous?
Forget jump drive. Just give me teleport: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQVIAeJyhoM

For a little while it'd be awesome just like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h02a2HSB58M

However, a few days later we'd all think, "...and what's this big thing coming at me really fast?" *FLOP*
... that'd be the sound of the game

I could understand summoning a ship to a STATION. That makes sense. Further, I could understand that ship taking quite some time to get there... in the order of days if it was my giant fuel guzzling whale ship. Instantly... and to MY location? No. Just no. It throws out everything everyone has accomplished. It transforms Distant Worlds and Erimus' original flight into nothing. It'd be like Guild Wars 2. "Double click the star system on map. Teleport." ... Travel time gone. Ya sure, you flew one ship there, but where'd the other go?

Improbability Drive: Engage!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVLk9-YpRi0

 

[Privata]

Yeah, you are right, but you didn't answer my question. I'll do it again: How is, a 19 hours delay, going to solve this issue?
Because at this point we have a 78% of people asking for a time sink which is not going to solve the situation you are explaining.

By reducing the odds of players poping up in ships they could not use in fiction , keeping the universe a living breathing place.

It reduces the apeal of going for the one taxi , one fighter , one trader route.

It serves as a best of both worlds.

And adds a small narative of : I am waiting for my ship to arrive , merging real life with the game. as you wait you might do something else like trade , or explore.
Yes its not explosive action , but the game was promised to be slow , and cold towards the player.

Look , if you like it thats cool. I envy you...
I however hate it , I think it removes meta , ballance and strategical placements of your ships and strategical ballance of FSD and weapons/cargo

In other words : Lore , for the lore is law.
And if you tell me they dont need to follow the lore in gameplay , I would say they should have not made the lore the way it is.
Hell , if they invent teleporters in elite but they have the side-effect of killing organics so thats why we cant teleport with our ships that would be silly , but better than nothing...
But I rather they stick to the current canon and lore... like they told us they would

 

[Ziljan]

I'm presenting "Hey, that's a pretty cool feature upcoming, I like it as it stands". Not sure how that's cheating, but still.

It invalidates all of my hard work getting my FDL ready for deep space. It kills the sense of distance and scale. It breaks it's own rules and shatters the fourth wall by paying to avoid travel limitations of your favorite ship. And it destroys whatever jump range balance that existed. Making jump range all about how much cash you have.

 

[Flimley]

Only my Asp may require an expensive 'A' rated engineered FSD.....

Flimley

 

[Cageman]

This, can those who are screaming about the death of realism please pay attention.

The solution is being presented as "Stateless", this means that time cannot play a part in it, so the whole "Make people wait" -can't- happen anyways.

And we give them feedback in why they need to change it. Wether it is or not, a technical possibility, right now, I give rats ass about, I still have my right to say to FD that it is wrong, and breaks too many rules regarding Elite: Dangerous universe.

 

[[DOOK] Droogie]

It takes the average person around 2 days to get to Jaques. Personally I think that's a reasonable waiting period if you're trying to bypass at 5 day slog to Jaques with your FDL/Corvette.

Your personal life/convenience issues shouldn't be a reason why 80% of players get their hard work invalidated and dumped out the window.

80% of the forums. This sample size is not representative of anything. This isn't design by committee, and reductio ad populum is a fallacy.

Nothing is invalidated. You're free to make the trip. Waiting isn't fun. I play to have fun. I don't want a game to be punishing. This doesn't represent a challenge. It doesn't add anything. It means that instead of doing stuff I want to do in game today, I have to wait until Monday. Well, I have time today.

It's no less valid of an argument than yours.

I understand what you want. I don't want that. I'm not attacking you for it. I'm just trying to explain my reasons. I'm probably not alone, either.

Every post you make is hostile. It's never constructive. All you ever do is insult and make condescending remarks to anyone who dares challenge you. How dare they want something you don't. Especially when it's the initial announcement. No, it has to be changed to meet YOUR expectations. Anyone who wants what they said will be attacked, and maybe even called a poopiehead.


Enough is enough. Get over yourself.

 

[Ziljan]

Only my Asp may require an expensive 'A' rated engineered FSD.....

Flimley

Good point. I was planning on engineering my whole fleet. But now I just need 2 ships for everything: Anaconda + FDL. Lame.

 

[Marc_Hicks]

Because its a new expansion zone , the idea in lore was it was going to be a hard push.
Trading , mining and fighting in exploration ships until he could get a shipyard up and running...emergent gameplay.

But now , due to this all systems will mostly have the same player ships , no more FSD meta , no more powerplay ship selection.
For example I have 3 combat ships , now I will only need one. for my long range fighter is more than pointless

The optimist in me wants to believe that the reason for the delay between Gamescon reveals and the launch of 2.2 is that they want time to accurately guage player feedback on every feature....and tweak things accordingly. I do feel that they learned some valuable lessons from the 2.0 and 2.1 update launches.

 

[Makeitrain09]

i'll take insta ship transfer its going to cost me but that's better than flying and scooping in a vulture because im trying to participate in a combat CG 100+ly away. I'm looking forward to that feature dont see how having access to my many ships are going to "BREAK" the game. my time is important and if i wanna be hardcore then i can keep my money and put in the time since you know......ship transfer will be a feature you can ignore if you don't like it.

 

[Ziljan]

80% of the forums. This sample size is not representative of anything. This isn't design by committee, and reductio ad populum is a fallacy.

Nothing is invalidated. You're free to make the trip. Waiting isn't fun. I play to have fun. I don't want a game to be punishing. This doesn't represent a challenge. It doesn't add anything. It means that instead of doing stuff I want to do in game today, I have to wait until Monday. Well, I have time today.

It's no less valid of an argument than yours.

Every post you make is hostile. It's never constructive. All you ever do is insult and make condescending remarks to anyone who cares challenge you. How dare they want something you don't. Especially when it's the initial announcement. No, it has to be changed to meet YOUR expectations. Anyone who wants what they said will be attacked, and maybe even called a poopiehead.


Enough is enough. Get over yourself.

And you only have 20% of the forums... your point? If Frontier is going to be responsive and try to make the most number of their customers happy, then may want to consider that the poll is roughly accurate. And therefore useful info.

I have not attacked you at all. You are attacking the current game, and I am defending it with logical arguments. If you are seeing anything else, you are either not reading my posts, or your are reading meaning that isn't there.

Nice ad hominem parry, now let's get back the actual issues and leave your personal issues out of this please.

 

[Cageman]

No, you are not.

Wait a minute... I said that I think the other person is absolutely right, and you respond "You are not"?...

So, if I say to you:

"I think that the other guy is right!!!"

And your response is

"No, you are not."

Are you saying that I do not think what I think, or are you implying that you can, somehow, controll my will?

I'm still waiting for you to respond to my actual question / explanation about the fact that you didn't understand that, if you log out, the clock would still tick.

Please respond to _that_ instead. Way more interresting subject, to be honest.

 

[Shar]

Well I'm selling all my shares in that fuel scoop company. since i will only need scoops on one ship now, I assume your ships will be moved on massive transports because how can a ship without scoops leave the bubble anyway or will they limit this feature to certain stations so they can exclude out of bubble locations.

I'm afraid the way this is presented right now has too many negative unintended consequences, Many questions with no answers lets try to get some of these questions through to the 4th day Q+A.

Glad too see 75% of you agree instant is not viable maybe common sense is common after all. For the other 25% sorry your a minority. Following Frontiers usual MO changes will be made. [where is it] here is Sandro reading this thread

 

[Wolfechu]

It invalidates all of my hard work getting my FDL ready for deep space. It kills the sense of distance and scale. It breaks it's own rules and shatters the fourth wall by paying to avoid travel limitations of your favorite ship. And it destroys whatever jump range balance that existed. Making jump range all about how much cash you have.

Opinions. Just like mine, although I'm prepared to reserve judgement on how this'll wreck the game or not until it's actually in the game. I've yet to see FD introduce anything game-wrecking, and I doubt this is going to be it.

You already seem to have made your mind up, though. In the space of a paragraph, we've got 'kills', 'shatters', and 'destroys'. I mean, you thought I was saying you were hysterical earlier, but, well... Perhaps I should just reserve judgement on that too, and agree to disagree with you.

 

[[DOOK] Droogie]

And you only have 20% of the forums... your point?

I have not attacked you at all. You are attacking the current game, and I am defending it with logical arguments. If you are seeing anything else, you are either not reading my posts, or your are reading meaning that isn't there.

Nice ad hominem parry, now let's get back the actual issues and leave your personal issues out of this please.

I'm not attacking anything. I'm going by the presentation. FD proposed it, blame them for attacking their own game. Your hyperbole here is astounding.

You did make personal attacks with that whole "beauty sleep" remark. It's an ad hominem. You try to invalidate my reasons by attacking me personally.

That isn't a parry. You do it constantly. My limited time is just as valid as reason as your one true way. Again with the condescension.