A Guide to Minor Factions and the Background Sim
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During my last two wars, my faction had seeking weapons USSs... the ships in the USS belonged to my faction. I sold to them, but muddled it with other actions. Next time the same condition occurs, I'll sell weapons exclusively and report back.
failing missions or aborting them will cost you rep, but no influence. the obvious way to go would be to run 1,5 times the missions for the faction you want to challenge, too.
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Thank you, that's exactly what I needed to know.
Complete a couple of missions for C, and just leave your missions to expire. The hit you will take on Rep won't be huge and unlikely to change your standing unless it is borderline between 2 levels. I assume your allied and at the top end so won't be an issue.
Once you have your conflict pending, push to get beyond the 5% gap before it even starts, saves you having to do work in the difficult CZs now.
Observation
Because the only station in system with a market, was owned by our target for the system, I banned everyone from selling anything in system, cashing bounties in a neighbouring system etc.
We have got the station but during the run up we had & still have, CU, outbreak & famine in some of the lesser factions.
I am also monitoring all the systems around us and they very rarely move but are also experiencing outbreaks & famine.
Is it because no one is selling meds & food into the market?, But when in either, they give you a golden opportunity to draw people in/make money.
Our target faction was in boom one point when we had an outbreak in system and Adv meds were sell for 3K+.
Because the only station in system with a market, was owned by our target for the system, I banned everyone from selling anything in system, cashing bounties in a neighbouring system etc.
We have got the station but during the run up we had & still have, CU, outbreak & famine in some of the lesser factions.
I am also monitoring all the systems around us and they very rarely move but are also experiencing outbreaks & famine.
Is it because no one is selling meds & food into the market?, But when in either, they give you a golden opportunity to draw people in/make money.
Our target faction was in boom one point when we had an outbreak in system and Adv meds were sell for 3K+.
Without meaning to be or sound rude, I'd just read back the last few pages, as this is the current hot topic.
Was something changed? Aborting missions now sure only costs you reputation, but failing should also hit faction influence. At least it was so recently.
interesting. no idea/ not tested recently.
Out of interest... anyone done any analysis of negative effect on other factions, when you run a mission for one faction?
Bit vague, so let me explain.
If I have six factions in a system, and I run five missions, all for one of those six factions (lets call them faction A), i.e (A:5,B:0,C:0,D:0,E:0,F:0). All other conditions ignored, they'll gain 5X, where X is some (possibly variable, after pop scaling) value for that faction.
Is the converse true? That is, if I run five missions, one each for factions B-F (i.e (A:0,B:1,C:1,D:1,E:1,F:1)), will I see a reduction of 5X in Faction A, distributed "evenly" across the other 5 factions? Or is it only going to be a reduction of X distributed evenly?
Bit vague, so let me explain.
If I have six factions in a system, and I run five missions, all for one of those six factions (lets call them faction A), i.e (A:5,B:0,C:0,D:0,E:0,F:0). All other conditions ignored, they'll gain 5X, where X is some (possibly variable, after pop scaling) value for that faction.
Is the converse true? That is, if I run five missions, one each for factions B-F (i.e (A:0,B:1,C:1,D:1,E:1,F:1)), will I see a reduction of 5X in Faction A, distributed "evenly" across the other 5 factions? Or is it only going to be a reduction of X distributed evenly?
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It depends. Reduction seems to affect primarily the highest faction, so if A is not the leading it might not even lose anything, and one of the others be the loser. In fact I did exactly this once and was very surprised at what happened.
Oh yeah, definitely. I mean, if A was the largest, and I did 5 missions, they might gain 2% influence, but if A was the lowest, they might gain 10%, and the largest faction would lose 10% (if all other factions were =~ 10%). It might help if I rephrase like this:
Faction A has 50% influence, Factions B, C, D, E and F each have 10%. Lets say I run 5 missions for Faction B, and they gain 10%. Presumably, the end result will look something like:
Faction A - 44% (-6%)
Faction B - 20% (+10%)
Faction C, D, E, F - 9% (-1% each)
If I run one mission for each of B, C, D, E and F, is the outcome going to be:
10% worth of change, divided evenly since there were 5 missions run, equalling 10% influence change, taken all from A as a "loser" with no missions, i.e
A:40 (-10), B,C,D,E,F: 12% (each +2) (unlikely)
OR
10% worth of change, where each mission takes proportional chunks from other factions with an equivalent impact on faction A for the original case, i.e
A:44 (-6), B,C,D,E,F: 11.2% (each +1.2) (likely)
OR
since each faction only did one mission, it all does a weird "distribute based on greatest change", with the biggest difference being 1 mission (for =~ 2% change) resulting in
A: 48(-2), B,C,D,E,F: 10.4% (each +0.4) (highly unlikely)
The actual situation is I'm currently opposing another faction who is in control of a system. I'm running missions to counter them (obviously) but wonder if I should be doing only missions from a single, different faction, or if I can just run missions from all factions (except the target faction). I'm just trying to hamper expansion.
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Mission gain decreases with influence, so in this case spreading missions on all other factions might have the best effect.
Great point, thanks!
from my understanding, if you have "unlimited missions", to counter a controlling faction it would be most effective to run missions for the second faction. this will have most impact on the first one - because runiing mission for the third/fourth etc. will also take larger chunks from the second.
from flipping rare systems - when approaching systems with the unblocking faction being the last - the most effective strategy looked to me (only looking at missions here): a) running missions for the second faction, till a war breaks out b) also running missions for the faction you want up - and as soon as conflict of the controlling faction is pending, to push the minor faction you want in control to 60+%
I think my faction has been pending expansion for four days. How long does this normally take to roll into the expansion state? Or, is there something I should be doing while I'm pending expansion to assist?
5 days normally. expands on tick 6 i think.
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So that war I tried to start with C? Turns out I far surpassed them and now we're pending ELECTION against B.
Being lazy and not going back through the thread. Is election just a simple Influence game?
Simple answer yes. Get a difference of 3-5% in the pending stage, and keep it above that and youll win straight after the first 3 days. I say 3-5%, it used to be 5 but not is 3 apparently.
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