Nobody knows the meaning of parentheses anymore, it seams... and yes, because permadeath is not a part of the game.
Should ship transfers have a time delay or not?
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Nobody knows the meaning of parentheses anymore, it seams... and yes, because permadeath is not a part of the game.
But a transfer with a timer on it can achieve the exact same thing, with minimal waiting if you can order it ahead of time. The only difference is that a timed transfer can't be exploited to do things like teleport to/from Jacques, or turbo-undermine. And it won't cause complications with storage.
So why, specifically, does it have to be *instant*?
Because they you'd have one ship to rule them all.
As i said before I generally fly ships I like (type 6/7, vulture, python and imperial courier) and I dare say that will not change for me with 2.2 except I might add a ship capable of launching fighters.
All ship transfer will do is limit the time it takes me to get into the gameplay I want to get into and might mean I take part in more community goals.
And all I'm saying is it will nullify the point of jump ranges as a balancing factor for ships in the game. Both statements are true. You will be able to get there faster, but at the cost of nullifying the balancing factor of jump ranges for combat ships (as well as other stuff, but let's put that aside for the moment). I think the cost to game balance is too high. Perhaps you don't and that is a matter of opinion, but it does not nullify that as being the cost of convenience with the instant travel.
I think a lot of us want the convenience of relocating ships so that we can avoid having to purchase and sell taxi ships, but that's it. This vision of getting ones ship instantly from any station you land on is new and has never been asked for by the community that I know of.
Straw man arguments much. Just about every damn combat game out there has respawn. At least in eve you can fly your escape pod, unless you get podded.
The idea of some magical instant teleport to any port in the galaxy is complete anathema to the whole ethos of elite.
I suppose next we'll be able to buy magic teleport/summoning scrolls. Want to play with your friend who's 200LY away? No problem, just use this magic scroll.
That's why I mentioned somewhere that I'd rather play Stellaris, cause ED will just be a table game (if they update with instamagic, that is)
I have just heard the program too and he didn't convince me at all. They talked about the balance being achieved by the transfer cost. Let's say it is more or less expensive. I'll have to pay with time (the time needed to make those credits) because time is the real currency in ED. Where is the benefit in that, if in the end you pay with half an hour grinding whatever?
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Can't rep you more... but here's some more rep!
Giving up on having a rational conversation and falling back to irrelevant and inaccurate quips won't get you very far, I'm afraid. Moot point though anyway, except that I'll likely refrain from bothering to respond to you further after this post.
There are numerous examples already in this thread of gameplay elements that instantaneous ship transfers will mitigate, immersion and continuity issues being only a portion of them. There are people that play this game because of these gameplay elements. Presumably there aren't people that play the game because of instantaneous ship transfers, seeing as how they don't exist in the game yet and were never part of the game's overall theme and vision once the basics of the game were fleshed out.
Again, one of the main goals of the thread and poll is to help reflect the general overall preference of the community regarding the mentioned ship transfer feature, not to try and invalidate someone's personal preferences, i.e., by implying that immersion isn't a valid concern since people don't wait for their characters to be moved back to a station after they lose their ships.
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I'm actually finding playing right now is making me VERY aware at how this would break... everything. I'm sitting in a dock with my Python. My Viper is a system away stored in an orbital. I'm looking at the mission manifest at this station and I'm thinking "that mission would be better served in the Viper as the Python's scoop is a bit clunky - I want to dart in, scoop and go before 20 ships descend on me". So I'm considering my options, and weighing up the mission to the ship - or whether to go back a system and grab the Viper and pop back and take the mission.
If we have insta-transport - I pay a minimal fee and BINGO! My viper is here! Problem solved! Reality be damned! I don't have to imagine it was over in another system, really it's wherever I want it to be! That's great!
Or have I just taken out the fun of real-sim decision making?
If we have insta-transport - I pay a minimal fee and BINGO! My viper is here! Problem solved! Reality be damned! I don't have to imagine it was over in another system, really it's wherever I want it to be! That's great!
Or have I just taken out the fun of real-sim decision making?
Yes, but this time he's messing with the main game. He is sailing in dangerous seas now
This needs to be repeated and quoted.
Clearly, they have made a desicion (which I do not support at all), but... these guys are still humans. Don't attack the person; attack the idea without degenerating yourself into a bully.
I would argue, that the desicion to make it instant, is not really grounded in what most people playing Elite: Dangerous wants, which is a space simulation game with Fiction where it needs to be, but still grounded in reality. FD might have a changed oppinion in which direction the game would go.
With that said, being constructive, present ideas, and stay away from personal attacks, would be a good way to, hopefully, have them (the devs) to listen to us who don't like the idea of ship transfering being instant.
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Fair enough and I'm guilty of that. It's just very frustrating, ya know?
Oh i came up with a brilliant exploit IDEA!
So some of the Sothis missions are courriers? right?
So here is the deal :
Buy and upgrade an hauler with +40Ly range
Now the setup :
1- Go with the Hauler To sothis get all the COURRIER mission you can
2- buy a suicide winder , and blow yourself to bits.
3 Choose to respawn i the starter winder.
4- Get your Hauler from HOUDINI transport.
5- Deliver missions.
Go to number 1 all over again.
Hauler for the JOB:
https://coriolis.io/outfit/hauler/0p...j-VRI.Aw19A===
So some of the Sothis missions are courriers? right?
So here is the deal :
Buy and upgrade an hauler with +40Ly range
Now the setup :
1- Go with the Hauler To sothis get all the COURRIER mission you can
2- buy a suicide winder , and blow yourself to bits.
3 Choose to respawn i the starter winder.
4- Get your Hauler from HOUDINI transport.
5- Deliver missions.
Go to number 1 all over again.
Hauler for the JOB:
https://coriolis.io/outfit/hauler/0p...j-VRI.Aw19A===
Hi Mangal, noone (or almost) rejects ship transfer. We reject it being magical
Personally, I am struggling more and more to comprehend why people have an issue with a realtime delay on ship transport. When I wanted to get Elvira Martuuk's attention, I travelled 200Ly beyond the bubble in only 2 hours-& only because I stopped to scoop fuel and insisted on surface scanning almost every planet/star I came across. By the end of the next night, I had already travelled all the way back to the location of Soontil relics (around 500Ly at a guess)-so no more than 2 hours there again. These are extreme examples, of course, so in most cases you will have your ship in less than an hour-in which time you can be off doing other things anyway. Yet you still have the convenience of doing it safely, not having to go & fetch it, & having both of your ships in one spot.
No worries mate. I do belive I actually gave rep to a post in the megathread that had very nasty things to to say about Sandro. :/ So, I do understand your frustration... because I feel it as well...
But that also got me thinking... I work as a games developer myself, and... even if I don't listen to much to the hate, it still... kind of bites, sometimes. One thing though; those that provide feedback, and treat me like a person, I enjoy listening to.
I really like Sandro, to be honest. I really do. And I do hope that he and FD will take a collective choice and postpone Ship Transfers until a later date. With the overwhelming feedback they have on their hands about it... it is devastating. About 80% against, 20% for... It shouldn't get through. Not with 2.2... Once they can have a proper gameplay loop with Ship Transfers... that is when I would say... "Hey... lets try this...."
Anyways. Time for bed.
Which is also making the game moving away from the very cool science that goes into it and makes a majority of players happy.
I feel I missed something yesterday, something about a threadnaught. I'll go hunt it down, before then though - I'm all for ship transfer, but time delay would be a nice nod to the illusion of it being shipped on a transport to where it's going.
Maybe it could use a standard time based on how many LY the "transport" can cross in a jump vs. how far it has to go, with a fixed time per system to allow for cooldown and alignment.
Say this mysterious vessel can jump 15LY at a pop, with 100 seconds per system. Moving the ship 150LY across 10 systems would take around 17 minutes. Always uses the most efficient route. If it can't make the 15LY jump between two stars, add an extra 20 minutes because something something something synthesizing jumponium.
Handwavium and quick and dirty numbers, ignoring how complex it would be to program for the poor coders, but some form of delay would help with the immersion thing. Failing that though, I won't lose any sleep over instant transport. There's enough holes in pure realism in the game if you look hard enough, and at the end of the day it's a quality of life improvement.
Maybe it could use a standard time based on how many LY the "transport" can cross in a jump vs. how far it has to go, with a fixed time per system to allow for cooldown and alignment.
Say this mysterious vessel can jump 15LY at a pop, with 100 seconds per system. Moving the ship 150LY across 10 systems would take around 17 minutes. Always uses the most efficient route. If it can't make the 15LY jump between two stars, add an extra 20 minutes because something something something synthesizing jumponium.
Handwavium and quick and dirty numbers, ignoring how complex it would be to program for the poor coders, but some form of delay would help with the immersion thing. Failing that though, I won't lose any sleep over instant transport. There's enough holes in pure realism in the game if you look hard enough, and at the end of the day it's a quality of life improvement.
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