The Galaxy - Is its size now considered to be a barrier to gameplay by the Developers?

I think he means you'll have more ship types at each station you visit. Not that you'll have more ships in total. This is a valid point and will actually increase the use of some marginal ships like Vipers that are an "interesting challenge" to fly but are otherwise fairly useless.

Why would you ever fly a Viper when your Vulture is on instant standby? Surely 'useless' by definition becomes 'unused'.
 
Ok, cheers, I guess everything's said, I hope Michael reads rest of discussion here, especially regarding lore. As for feature itself I think each of positions are clear, FD knows our feelings, we know their arguments, let's wait for beta and hopefully decision to delay or mitigate implementation can be made in more measured manner.

Cheers, have fun guys out there. I am out.
Lore is so important and I was so happy that the focus came back to the lore and then... this happens...

And I used to think han calling jabba a human was a bit plot hole.... at least han did not transform the falcon into a SSD
 
Yeahh, all good unless it gets abused in pvp then everybody does what they want, well I'll wait for the beta to try it out and see how it works, maybe we are too worried about a feature that might not cause any problem, maybe we are right, who knows, we will see in beta, for now I'll just enjoy the game
 
So instead of exploiting the game by using the 2nd longest jump range in the game, you will be using the ship with the Longest Jump Range in the Game as a taxi. I think you were making a point about not exploiting the game, but I can't be sure.



Thats my point thats the ship i use now, this feature is not going to change what i,m doing now. It,s heavily fortified not FSD optimized and there is not an NPC in the game that can even take the shield down, there is no way i,m going to fly around in a tin can shuttle of any type for the sake of a few jumps.

It is up to you all as individuals if you use this technique personally if i,m going to do post 2.2 what I'm doing pre 2.2 how can i blame 2.2 man if this is everyone's approach open is going to be a griefers paradise then you will all go back to playing the same way as you do now more or less.

Then there is winter.
 
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I am never going to get it out of my head.

The mass of a big ship, that is the equivalent of a lot of cargo canisters.

Whatever the cost of 3D printing that ship out, better far exceed the value of that cargo.

The cost of 3D printing will be even less realistic than the cost of an insurance claim.
 
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elite 1 , 2 and 3 never had this sort of feature.

Errr both Frontier and FFE had time compression .. so they did. And the original was so ahead of its time it didn't really matter.

We dont know how this will change the game, but as 2.2 is bringing so many other new things in anyway, I don't think it really matters at this point.

I neither like or dislike the feature as I know I can just ignore it if I want.

The 'issue' is squarely in your head that you cant get over. Its like when you are cheated on by a girlfriend or lover. I understand, but at some point you need to move on from this. None if us are getting the game we backed, its not like you are alone on that. But as stated you (and others) need to get past this.

If it were being forced on you I would understand, but simply isnt.
 
By the way, what's the ship with the most jump range in the game? I'm talking about everything being stripped down , D graded or whatever is necessary to drop weight, while having the best rolls on a top-rated top-modded synth-jumponiumized FSD.

You know, the kind of ship that never needs to use route planner waypoints.
 
By the way, what's the ship with the most jump range in the game? I'm talking about everything being stripped down , D graded or whatever is necessary to drop weight, while having the best rolls on a top-rated top-modded synth-jumponiumized FSD.

You know, the kind of ship that never needs to use route planner waypoints.

Anaconda, closely followed by the Asp. With engineers pretty much all ships can get high unladen jump ranges. Even my T9 is in the mid twenties (with armour/weapons/strengthened engineered modules) Have more lvl-1 to 3 jumponium than I know what to do with.

There is also a bunch of white dwarfs in the bubble, devs said they will give us boosts higher than lvl-3
 
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The clue is in the 'second bubble' even existing as a thing. The first bubble took humanity 1100 years to build (albeit using hyperdrives, not FSDs), the second one has got to go a bit faster, or else people really would complain Elite 'takes too long to play'. :D

Interestingly, I was also told on social media that Jaques was an affront to PvP players as it was tantamount to deliberate favouritism of FDev to explorers by giving them a 'safe haven' where they couldn't be killed, without effort to get there. Strange how things are perceived isn't it?

I'd like things to feel 'life on the Frontier' for a little longer before we tame a region 22k ly from the current bubble, particularly when you remember how run down some of the places on the rim of the current one are now (and again as you say that's after a millenia of expansion).

It can go faster without kid gloves needing to be applied to it.

And the idea of a PvP safe haven is cobblers. I habe no idea how they came to that conclusion. Everyone's favourite wizard proved that about a week ago when he rolled up in a cutter
 
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Well good luck when you get interdicted in your D rated tin cans, thargoids are going to be falling over with laughter. [haha] And if you run into me I'm going to cook you up just to make my point.
 
Going to leave you with this ... to

(a) add some humour and a smile for some, and
(b) solidify how I feel about this change.

[video=youtube;COSeM2EVkDc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COSeM2EVkDc[/video]

Enjoy & out.
 
know many of you have not reached this point and i respect your resistance. you will have to decide for yourselves if it's worth quitting over, but their is no better game to go too. or you can bang on for another 500 pages personally i wont to go play so catch you later commanders.
I doubt I would ever quit this game over a single design decision, even one as contentious as this. This is a game in which the simple act of undocking my virtual spaceship and flying it out of a station docking port still makes me smile. Every time. I love the mechanics of it, even when the gameplay gets forced in directions I may not be 100% happy with.

What concerns me is Michael Brookes' apparent keenness for tweaking the lore to fit these decisions, even those that are clearly there to improve the quality of life for the players of the game rather than providing believable tools to the characters within the fiction.

Put it this way:

  • This feature dropping into the game in 2.2 will not tempt me to give up on ED, and I will almost certainly use it myself once it's in there.

  • If GalNet makes reference to 3D manufacturing plants used for ship transfer it'll bother me a little more, but again not enough to quit. At the end of the day GalNet is something I can take or leave.

  • But if I'm ever reading an official Elite novel and the hero, upon seeing the enemy hordes descending towards his home station, rushes to the shipyard and instantly 3D prints an exact copy of his combat ship from 150 light years away, after using his identity card to confirm he is licensed to do so...

    ...that will be the last Elite novel I read. I can suspend my disbelief so far, but not if I'm suspending it by a noose. :(
 
License is a thing, you can't 3DPrint your ship as you don't have a license to reproduce it, you can't make your own Crysler cause the project is covered by copyright and IP laws, Only Crysler factories can produce that car, not your mechanic who can well 3dprint parts to repair it but not the car itself

Because of course the ED universe is full of completely law abiding people.

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> How about we just honestly play the beta and see how it actually works instead of trying to concoct ways to push a preconceived notion beforehand?

Because Beta exists to test for bugs and balance, not to change design. It's too late by then.
 
Because of course the ED universe is full of completely law abiding people.

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Because Beta exists to test for bugs and balance, not to change design. It's too late by then.

Many pretty solid arguments can be made that it's not for fixing bugs either.

edit: my bad, you said test for bugs, not actually fix them. In that case I guess the beta is good for that. for whatever it's worth.
 
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Because of course the ED universe is full of completely law abiding people.

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Because Beta exists to test for bugs and balance, not to change design. It's too late by then.

No but you would read on Galnet about stations rushed by the police for counterfeit all the time LOL
 
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