The Star Citizen Thread v5

[Osmanthus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=q9GHjOYFLw4

How is that the original clip? The other one has more content than this...

e: fair enough though, it does extend past the end of the other one

double edit: there's no overlap with the other FWIW, so it's clearly not the original clip. Where is the original?

 

[CMDR_Orlando]

Yeah now I'm the bad guy lol. I just exposed posts of lies and deceits containing a fabricated video video and I'm the bad guy.[big grin] Unreal, only here.

How is that the original clip? The other one has more content than this...

e: fair enough though, it does extend past the end of the other one

double edit: there's no overlap with the other FWIW, so it's clearly not the original clip. Where is the original?

I can get you the 10 minute one if you like... [rolleyes]

Edit: Yes there is overlap , they are the same clip, the one I posted is just the last seconds after the explosion.

 

[FuriousMeow]

To go from 2.4.8 to 2.5.0 is 30GB. When they get this turd to turd 3.0 maybe I'll spend my time downloading again. But... lulzidris.

 

[Osmanthus]

Yeah now I'm the bad guy lol. I just exposed posts of lies and deceits containing a fabricated video video and I'm the bad guy.[big grin] Unreal, only here.

Can you post the actual original clip? This one is abridged. I'm genuinely curious

 

[tooterfish]

That clip is even better. You get to see the same piece spit up out of the right frame repeatedly doing the same motion each time. I mean, I don't even care about the crash - it was just the hilarity of how bad the whole thing is.

 

[FuriousMeow]

I've been involved in a lot of early development games, back in the day when the game dev sent you CDs because it was dial-up.

This is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Soliluna]

And that is nothing. That is just money spent on voice actors/actresses. That doesn't sell games. It never has.

I have to disagree.

Names sell EVERYTHING. It's a facet of marketing and consumer psychology. It is said that celebrity endorsements are likely to be effective no matter who the celebrity is when products are cheap or simple. Which is why you see TV adverts (well not me personally, I don't have a TV) all the time with celebrities in them. Celebrities however, should know the product or field if it is an expensive or complicated product or they need to explain it.

It's loosely tied to the "Elaboration likelihood model". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaboration_likelihood_model#In_advertising_communications

So they created that Bishop speech thing with Gary Oldman - and at the end it had all those actors names on it. If someone watched that and saw a name or names they recognised - knew that they liked other things they have been associated with, it can lead to a sale. It's pretty simple.

To me this just seems like common sense though. It's all around us everyday.

So I'm somewhat in agreement with Orlando - it will sell copies. I disagree on how many. If I had to pull a figure out of my behind, I'd say it might sell 0.1-0.5% more than it would without the names. I'm being generous.

HOWEVER I would also say, the cost of contracting them would offset any gains made.

 

[Soopyyy]

http://i.imgur.com/86YeJ4Y.jpg

I've been involved in a lot of early development games, back in the day when the game dev sent you CDs because it was dial-up.

This is absolutely ridiculous.

Yep, I gave up with it for this reason.

"Here's patch, download 30gb again"...
Half the time their servers won't even let me download, it just stalls.

 

[FuriousMeow]

I have to disagree.

Names sell EVERYTHING. It's a facet of marketing and consumer psychology. It is said that celebrity endorsements are likely to be effective no matter who the celebrity is when products are cheap or simple. Which is why you see TV adverts (well not me personally, I don't have a TV) all the time with celebrities in them. Celebrities however, should know the product or field if it is an expensive or complicated product or they need to explain it.

It's loosely tied to the "Elaboration likelihood model". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaboration_likelihood_model#In_advertising_communications

So they created that Bishop speech thing with Gary Oldman - and at the end it had all those actors names on it. If someone watched that and saw a name or names they recognised - knew that they liked other things they have been associated with, it can lead to a sale. It's pretty simple.

To me this just seems like common sense though. It's all around us everyday.

So I'm somewhat in agreement with Orlando - it will sell copies. I disagree on how many. If I had to pull a figure out of my behind, I'd say it might sell 0.1-0.5% more than it would without the names. I'm being generous.

HOWEVER I would also say, the cost of contracting them would offset any gains made.

Well, when I meant sell games I meant SELL GAMES - as in it would sell the game. That would be the reason the game sold so much.

It will sell videos, shows, movies, etc - but games... it might hit a few people but it is not a selling point. It never has. Graphics, gameplay, story, those sell. It doesn't matter who narrates - as long as the narration or other voice actors are convincing and mesh well.

 

[Tippis]

So I'm somewhat in agreement with Orlando - it will sell copies. I disagree on how many. If I had to pull a figure out of my behind, I'd say it might sell 0.1-0.5% more than it would without the names. I'm being generous.

HOWEVER I would also say, the cost of contracting them would offset any gains made.

Basically, how many extra copies did CoD:AW sell for having Kevin Spacey compared to just being CoD n+1?

 

[Stigbob]

I got better than that.

Spoiler

https://i.imgur.com/8YZBRId.jpg

[big grin]

They've all starred in flops :

Gary Oldman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_44_(film) lost money

Mark Hamill
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_Commander_(film) lost money

John Rhys Davies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabretooth_(film) made for TV rubbish

Mark Strong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimsby_(film) lost money

I'm bored now, but you get the picture good actors do not make for automatic success. Even A-listers star in projects that lose money.

lol at what I found when I googled Mark Hamill's worst movie.

 

[CMDR_Orlando]

Yes I wholeheartedly agree that names add very little to the gameplay. The "REAL FUN" factor in playing the game is it's mechanics tied with Graphics, Lore, Depth, Creativity, Variety for immersion and satisfaction. To make a real good game. Take the game "The Order 1886", they could have made the same exact same game with Hollywood blockbuster actors and the game would still be linear and boring and inevitably flop badly, but they should sell some more copies at release because of the names on the cover. If it would be worth it in terms of what they would pay the Hollywood actors and the return is very doubtful.

 

[McGlashan]

So they created that Bishop speech thing with Gary Oldman - and at the end it had all those actors names on it. If someone watched that and saw a name or names they recognised - knew that they liked other things they have been associated with, it can lead to a sale. It's pretty simple..

But in that scenario they would have been watching the execrable Bishop speech demo, so they may not have made it as far as the list of other actors.

 

[CMDR_Orlando]

But in that scenario they would have been watching the execrable Bishop speech demo, so they may not have made it as far as the list of other actors.

Indeed the Bishop speech felt underwhelming, even though, its youtube video was seen almost half-million times so it got nice exposure. The gaming sites also reported it heavily.

 

[FuriousMeow]

Well... here's the actual full cast of Squadron 42: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5194726/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

That is a ton of people. That's money that could have paid for a lot more things that would have resulted in great gameplay.

I've been thinking for the past year that it isn't CR's dream game, and that he wants other people to play it... it is a crowd funded dream for him, and his wife, to get into Hollywood... again... Seriously, this is not someone invested in a game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWq8ynUq7wM (repeat, again, but it is just so obvious)

 

[CMDR_Orlando]

Well... here's the actual full cast of Squadron 42: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5194726/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

That is a ton of people. That's money that could have paid for a lot more things that would have resulted in great gameplay.

I've been thinking for the past year that it isn't CR's dream game, and that he wants other people to play it... it is a crowd funded dream for him, and his wife, to get into Hollywood... again...

Nice! I think I found the Pupil to Planet Guy http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3142672/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t28

Spoiler

[video=youtube;OBYRIZA44Eg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBYRIZA44Eg[/video]

 

[Asp Explorer]

I've been thinking for the past year that it isn't CR's dream game, and that he wants other people to play it... it is a crowd funded dream for him, and his wife, to get into Hollywood... again...

Definitely. I am reminded of The Merchant of Venice

“If you       us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?".

 

[Osmanthus]

Indeed the Bishop speech felt underwhelming, even though, its youtube video was seen almost half-million times so it got nice exposure. The gaming sites also reported it heavily.

That's the trouble though, if so many people saw the terrible speech, doesn't that mean that more people get a negative impression?

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Definitely. I am reminded of The Merchant of Venice

“If you us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?".

IF YOU ME DO I NOT


LEAK?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4VxbnGbWbM#t=47s

edit: I like that word filter very much

 

[CMDR_Orlando]

That's the trouble though, if so many people saw the terrible speech, doesn't that mean that more people get a negative impression?

Well I don't think that was the overall impression tbh, still nice to see Gary Oldman inside a video-game, I know he already did some voice-work for games, same as Hamill, but actually having them rendered is cool to watch, for me at least. Playing alongside them.. well that's kinda spooky in a cool kinda way actually, specially at the detail they are going for.

PS- I did not forgot the full clip of the blowing ships, here it is, skip to minute 9 for the action.

[video=youtube;p9-hnTFIHuw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9-hnTFIHuw[/video]

 

[Moonax IRL]

Well... here's the actual full cast of Squadron 42: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5194726/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

That is a ton of people. That's money that could have paid for a lot more things that would have resulted in great gameplay.

I've been thinking for the past year that it isn't CR's dream game, and that he wants other people to play it... it is a crowd funded dream for him, and his wife, to get into Hollywood... again... Seriously, this is not someone invested in a game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWq8ynUq7wM (repeat, again, but it is just so obvious)

Looking at that list beggars belief, this guy has completely lost the run of himself and forgotten he`s supposed to be making a video game. How can anyone not question such waste.