The Star Citizen Thread v5

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No, then still not. You missed the point. Lying is not the same as saying something that isnt true. Lying means you know it isnt true, at the time of saying it. Even if you knew my name for a fact, and knew I said my name is something else, you still dont know if I said a lie. All you know is I said something that isnt true. There is never 100% certainty of someone lying. If you dont get that, you either dont know what the definition of lying is, what 100% means, what certainty means or how the brain works.

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No I didn't miss the point. To be honest I thought it a rather silly example that only deserved a silly response.

It doesn't matter if 100% certainty is there or not, if there is a situation where someone is inclined to tell a lie then we can say that, beyond reasonable doubt, they were lying due to having an ulterior motive, ie for fraudulent reasons. Technicality be damned.

On numerous occasions you have said that Sean Murray lied. If he was to say that at the time of making his comments he believed them to be true, would that suffice?
 
he ain´t stupid
lol :D
Everything he has done over the last 5+ years says otherwise :D
I don't think he has a clue at all and has the mentality of a 7 year old kid.
What comes out of CR mouth is just spectacular. His biggest downfall is not keep that big mouth shut.
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Can't believe you're still all talking about CR and lying. He's lied outright to peoples faces on numerous occasions...and not littles ones at that...big huge whopping fibs! :(
 
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See on the one hand I'd agree with you when simply looking at the very low perceived active userbase.

On the other hand hand... their reddit has an average monthly sub growth of ~2750.
Even if you'd consider a conversion rate of 25% that'd still put them at exactly 11k monthly accounts, and honestly... 25% player-to-reddit conversion rate would be incredibly high for a game.
Elite's is closer to 5%, LoL and Overwatch are roughly 3%, R6 Siege and CSGO are closer to 2%

As incredulous as it is to believe that people are still throwing money at what a bunch of us perceive as a trainwreck of a project... they do some good marketing and new players will not have the same history as long term backers might not be scared off (yet) by the negativity some in here feel towards CIG.

The funding tracker is a different matter altogether, but someone here brought up the valid point that they would've most likely gone out of bussiness a couple months ago if that cash flow wasn't at least mostly accurate.

At the end of the day if you look at how easily a game like Ashes of Creation accrues multiple millions worth of kickstarter money and tens of thousands of fans by doing exactly the same as CR (promising any nerd's wet dream with no regard for technological feasibility or professional experience)... I think it's actually safer to just bet on the peerless depths of human stupidity than on outright lies :T

How easy is to fake subreddit new accounts? And, are there actually any active and practical ways to get them "in bulk"?
 
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Now that all our messages are strictly ordered we’ve been able to streamline the processing, allowing us to send and receive messages with less overhead.

First of all: told you so. One entire bugsmasher ep was just CIG showing they hadn't figured this out yet.

Second of all: uh no, actually in-sequence messaging *adds overhead*, but it can be neccessary for consistency depending on your other design choices.

It's amazing. We are watching an entire company learn the basics of distributed systems.

Can't wait for them to discover Brewer's CAP Theorem....
 
First of all: told you so. One entire bugsmasher ep was just CIG showing they hadn't figured this out yet.

Second of all: uh no, actually in-sequence messaging *adds overhead*, but it can be neccessary for consistency depending on your other design choices.

It's amazing. We are watching an entire company learn the basics of distributed systems.

Can't wait for them to discover Brewer's CAP Theorem....

It took them 5½ years to invent object-oriented programming. I'm sure Brewer's will probably be reached before 2025 at least. Progress!
 
I don't know where you got that from, but I tell you - with certainty - that's rubbish. All of it.

I have to admit I find this really funny.

You say, as though there is irrefutable proof, that you KNOW there are between 2k and 5k whales financing the project and yet those numbers are based on information that CIG releases, yet when I postulate something also based on information CIG has released suddenly it is all rubbish. That does strikes me as being very ironic :rolleyes:
 
So the new schedule is up. Differences can be seen here: https://www.diffchecker.com/xFvadA7j

More delays for some features, notably lighting moons and dates TBD. Other stuff has been completed. Curious to see how they do the mission givers given the instancing.

Can someone remind me when they are due to sort out the modular/differential/incremental/whatever updating mechanism? I couldnt see it in the 3.0 Schedule. I am just wondering as I have decided to update to 2.6.3 and I really am getting fed up with having a 2 hour download every time using a downloader that seems to take all the available bandwidth.
 
lol :D
Everything he has done over the last 5+ years says otherwise :D
I don't think he has a clue at all and has the mentality of a 7 year old kid.
What comes out of CR mouth is just spectacular. His biggest downfall is not keep that big mouth shut.
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Can't believe you're still all talking about CR and lying. He's lied outright to peoples faces on numerous occasions...and not littles ones at that...big huge whopping fibs! :(

No one is denying that he lied,I think thats more then obvious untill now but if you think that lies and fallen promises are enough to close CIG and put CR on trial..hmm....as I said GL with that.....We can all love or hate what CR&CIG does but the fact still remain and in reality they are still BUILDING a game and you can see proof of that everywhere.....300 emloyees,weekly shows,demos,payed actors,hundreds commercials,good salaries..papers are CLEAN....sure you and I can argue that this is NOT what we believe we pitched for few years back but I am afraid that this is not enough(yet) to shut down them or their "business"my friend......
 
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well I updated today and had a little look see how my 1060 fairs (used to have a 660ti), not mega smooth but a LOT better than when I last fired up (ages ago). Couldn't be to remap controls, somehow managed to take off and fly around the space station and yup it's a very nice looking station.

Anyhoo, any news on Sq42?
 

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I have to admit I find this really funny.

You say, as though there is irrefutable proof, that you KNOW there are between 2k and 5k whales financing the project and yet those numbers are based on information that CIG releases, yet when I postulate something also based on information CIG has released suddenly it is all rubbish. That does strikes me as being very ironic :rolleyes:

Actually I never said those things - at all. I stated that your statements were inaccurate, and that we have metrics (which I provided) based on data scrubbed directly from RSI website.

Yes - there is a difference.

Postulating != Analytics
 
Actually I never said those things - at all. I stated that your statements were inaccurate, and that we have metrics (which I provided) based on data scrubbed directly from RSI website.

Yes - there is a difference.

Postulating != Analytics

No you didn't say my statements were inaccurate. All you said was "it's rubbish, all of it".

Your metrics are based on information that you yourself question the validity of, that's my point. If you cannot trust the funding chart or ship sale numbers how can you draw any conclusion from it and then present it as fact.

Anyway, it's not worth an argument so that's all I'm saying on the matter.
 
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