The Star Citizen Thread v5

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I don't see where this says you know that the people in this thread don't have business management experience.

Your bona fides are fine enough but I don't see anything that represents leading a creative process, developing long-term strategy, or communicating complex vision into technical production.

You know, if we are going to get into judging everyone's background in order to have a discussion about a public figure taking in millions for promises.

This is true - I also think it's worth mentioning that old adage;

"On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog"

Unless we're prepared to link to publicly verifiable sources of proof it's all just hot air anyway.
 
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Do at least try to be consistent. One minute you are boasting (without evidence) that there are "thousands of gamers supporting [Robert] and thousands more joining in day by day", and now you are telling us that you don't want more backers. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...tizen-Thread-v5/page856?p=4462827#post4462827 So which is it?
Oh but I am being consistent, as allways, the "boasting" about "thousands of gamers supporting and thousands more joining in day by day" is a fact. CIG doesn't actually need those (they don't even care about doing a tutorial to welcome new players they just open their servers to free-fly weeks). They know they are in alpha stage and that the faithful backers / subscribers can take them the long way, the rest is just bonus. The fact that there's an ongoing flux of new people joining daily is just a testimony of how fun and how much people want this kind of experience provided only by Star Citizen. Simple actually.

That is and you know that,by the way I am backer 2 same as many ppl. that do not flow with your agenda....I do not need to insinuated anything what I said it´s a FACT,SC is the game with HUGE grey market and even before the game exist in the pre-alpha state CIG make sure to left that back door wide open so that some ppl. can use that opportunity and start their litlle business....

Let me contest, I don't see you as a backer, you might have pledge money but you are not "backing" the game. Grey Market is meaningless, LTI is also meaningless. All the ships are for sale 3/4 times every year. It's dead Jim. No point.
 
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Oh but I am being consistent, as allways, the "boasting" about "thousands of gamers supporting and thousands more joining in day by day" is a fact. CIG doesn't actually need those

Why did Chris explain that they do still keep ongoing funding going because they need it?

Was he wrong?

You better let him know pronto if so otherwise he might make a bit of a of himself!

ETA - do you remember the time Sandi said they wanted to take the pressure off the backers - then she caught herself and back pedalled?
 
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Oh but I am being consistent, as allways, the "boasting" about "thousands of gamers supporting and thousands more joining in day by day" is a fact. CIG doesn't actually need those (they don't even care about doing a tutorial to welcome new players they just open their servers to free-fly weeks). They know they are in alpha stage and that the faithful backers / subscribers can take them the long way, the rest is just bonus. The fact that there's an ongoing flux of new people joining daily is just a testimony of how fun and how much people want this kind of experience provided only by Star Citizen. Simple actually.

Er, no. "thousands more joining in day by day" isn't a fact. Or at least nobody has provided any evidence supporting it.
 
This is true - I also think it's worth mentioning that old adage;

"On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog"

Unless we're prepared to link to publicly verifiable sources of proof it's all just hot air anyway.

Proof of me. Eyes cropped to protect identity.

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Oh but I am being consistent, as allways, the "boasting" about "thousands of gamers supporting and thousands more joining in day by day" is a fact. CIG doesn't actually need those (they don't even care about doing a tutorial to welcome new players they just open their servers to free-fly weeks). They know they are in alpha stage and that the faithful backers / subscribers can take them the long way, the rest is just bonus. The fact that there's an ongoing flux of new people joining daily is just a testimony of how fun and how much people want this kind of experience provided only by Star Citizen. Simple actually.

Well the bolded part is a lie, CIG actually did a tutorial, but then they broke it. After the backers asked CIG for months to fix it, CIG realized they could not fix it and then just disabled it.


You also have zero proof of how many people are joining. Or that they are actually joining.
 
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Why did Chris explain that they do still keep ongoing funding going because they need it?

Was he wrong?

You better let him know pronto if so otherwise he might make a bit of a of himself!

Yup. I was watching a video earlier where he was asked why they were still selling ships etc, and amongst other things he stated that they were using the money to keep the servers going. I'll see if I can find a link.
 
The fact they can't be bothered to do a decent tutorial that works says it all really. Even on the most basic level improving that for new players would be a business builder and go a long way to maybe increasing numbers even.
 
Er, no. "thousands more joining in day by day" isn't a fact. Or at least nobody has provided any evidence supporting it.

Also, 550,000 backers / 1460 days = 376 backers per day.

If people want to take one or two weeks out of those 208 weeks as some kind of proof then L O L
 
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Let me contest, I don't see you as a backer, you might have pledge money but you are not "backing" the game.

Good thing he didn't need your permission or approval, then. He gave Roberts money = he backed the game. If you want to dispute that, tell CIG to send him a refund. While you're at it, tell them to approve my refund as I feel immensely stupid for believing there would ever be any VR support. Ah those heady days of 2013!

You don't need to pass a loyalty or purity test to be a backer, Orlando. Just give the Crobber his silver! If they get y and give it back, sure. But if he spends their money, they backed his "game."
 
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That was just one example, most of the big campaign games have a big cast: Witcher 3, Uncharted 4, COD's ...



Wait for the showcase of the Polaris Corvette (smallest of the UEE capital ships), should be announced at Citizencon!

Gamestar.de released their interview with Chris Roberts in which he talks about the state of Squadron42, delays etc.

http://www.gamestar.de/videos/chris...ts-um-star-citizen-und-squadron-42,90207.html


if i heard chris roberts correctly he said that star citizen needs 2 or 3 years for mvp release at minimum . So 2018-2023 release since its minimum

26:24 is really interesting to hear. Its question about finances.
chris said that being more open on financial details would be nightmare for him. Because backers wouldnt understand how money is being spend.
He also said that features dont have budgets anymore. So all those stretch goals he doesnt know how much building those will cost, Doesnt this mean that he doesnt know if he can complete the game as promised?

This is really problematic statement for example when they start working on farming they will work on it as long as it takes regardless of how much money or time it takes to build it.

I might do a transcript the answer later on because once again im not believing what im hearing, its just that crazy.
 
Good thing he didn't need your permission or approval, then. He gave Roberts money = he backed the game. If you want to dispute that, tell CIG to send him a refund.

Aye. Fair dues to the guy. He's put his money down and is voicing his concerns and not blindly humming the chant of the church of the latter day space sim.

Now if ONLY he could air his thoughts on the official site without deletion.
 
26:24 is really interesting to hear. Its question about finances.
chris said that being more open on financial details would be nightmare for him. Because backers wouldnt understand how money is being spend.
He also said that features dont have budgets anymore. So all those stretch goals he doesnt know how much building those will cost, Doesnt this mean that he doesnt know if he can complete the game as promised?

It's really encouraging that features don't have budgets anymore. This incredible, outside-the-box project management thinking is just the sort of innovative paradigm-shifting idiocy you can expect from the legendary auteur behind Wing Commander: The Movie. Not even Garriott at his most self-indulgent would dispense with budgets!

Surely the evil publishers will only double down now on their campaign of vicious slander against fetish video production company RSI and their liberated new form of budget-free thinking before it spreads and poisons the entire field! Why, if this idea spreads it could herald in a new golden age of endless tech demos without release dates! Mushmouthed men in slimming black will wave their hands at your face in public, cats and dogs living together, Star Marine still weeks away FOREVER!

I can't wait to see where this revolution goes next.
 
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He also said that features dont have budgets anymore. So all those stretch goals he doesnt know how much building those will cost, Doesnt this mean that he doesnt know if he can complete the game as promised?

This is really problematic statement for example when they start working on farming they will work on it as long as it takes regardless of how much money or time it takes to build it.

I might do a transcript the answer later on because once again im not believing what im hearing, its just that crazy.

Extraordinary as that might seem for us mortals (and it does to me) I think we may be failing to take into account that Chris operates on a higher plane - he doesn't need filthy petty budgets - he just taps into the force.

It's real - all of it!
 
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Extraordinary as that might seem for us mortals (and it does to me) I think we may be failing to take into account that Chris operates on a higher plane - he doesn't need filthy petty budgets - he just taps into the force.

It's real - all of it!

[video=youtube;MzlK0OGpIRs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzlK0OGpIRs[/video]
 
It's really encouraging that features don't have budgets anymore. This incredible, outside-the-box project management thinking is just the sort of innovative paradigm-shifting idiocy you can expect from the legendary auteur behind Wing Commander: The Movie. Not even Garriott at his most self-indulgent would dispense with budgets!

That brings up a fun point. So SC has all these talented actors, well ignoring Sandi who could not act to save her life (yes i have BA in theater), yet they are forced to read a CR script. Its going to turn out horrible, just watch the Bishop speech, and that was something CR thought of as good. CR can't even rip off a well done speech with out screwing it up.


oh and I am also a backer of SC.
 
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Found a link to Chris Roberts answering the question "Why are ship and concept sales still necessary for the project?" where he states that they are needed to keep the alpha game running (at 10:30)
"...the concept sales continue to not only help support some of the ongoing development efforts, but also just the costs of running a live server, so like, it's not free, we get Google and Amazon charge us money every month for the servers we run in the cloud...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvule1cD_zk&t=561s
 
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