This is multiplayer game with consequences for everyone involved, now matter how indirect they might be. No, we can't. It has to be consistent. You can't have a cake and eat it too.
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This is multiplayer game with consequences for everyone involved, now matter how indirect they might be. No, we can't. It has to be consistent. You can't have a cake and eat it too.
I'd suggest storing my ships on the bulk freighter itself, paying a fee for the hangar space. That way my ships would always be ready when I need them transfered.
Side note, Jaques station should be getting a lot of Bulk Freighter traffic right now considering all the exploration and expansion going on there. More than any other station or system in the galaxy, short of Sol, Alioth, Sirius and Achabar, it's the one place where mega freighters from bubble would be going. If there's any place a ship would be able to fast travel to it'd be Jaques. I wouldn't be surprised if there were capital ship class passenger liners being built to make the jump to where Jaques is right now.
Thinking along these lines, what about them offering up different levels of service.
You could go the cheap bulk-carrier route, which is slower but cheaper (think post office)
Or you can pay a premium to an ace pilot to fly it directly and more quickly (think fed-ex).
Same here. A very well articulated post by Kancro Vantas. It deserves to be QFTed.
Once again, this thread is really fast.
I think that ship transport should have some delay, but 100 minutes across bubble is really too slow.
IMHO the ideal amount of delay should be something like 5 minutes fixed plus 15LYs per minute speed. It will be something like 25 minutes (5 + 300/15 minutes) across the bubble and approx. 24 hours (5 + 22000/15 minutes) from Sol to Jaques.
I think that ship transport should have some delay, but 100 minutes across bubble is really too slow.
IMHO the ideal amount of delay should be something like 5 minutes fixed plus 15LYs per minute speed. It will be something like 25 minutes (5 + 300/15 minutes) across the bubble and approx. 24 hours (5 + 22000/15 minutes) from Sol to Jaques.
I used to play a lot. Steam counts a modest 300 hours of playtime. Lately I just can't rationalize wasting time on poor design decisions made for the sake of immersion at the cost of good gameplay. As someone with a job and kids, I'm very sensitive to my free time being wasted.
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Hi Sandro! Thanks for the reply!
That makes sense, and I can see how it has some advantages. I just worry that the trade-offs, as you sketched out in your original post, would prohibitively outweigh those advantages in most gameplay situations.
That would be really neat, and I look forward to seeing them eventually! However, more to the point: We have plenty of large transport vessels in real life, both ships and cargo planes, that are capable of transporting disassembled F-16s in bulk (for example). However, when governments in real life need to transport F-16s over long distances, they typically choose to just pilot them. Those big freighters can be used for other types of cargo, and since the F-16 is capable of high speed flight, it makes little sense to go through the trouble of packing and shipping them in a container for slower transport. It adds time and cost with no clear advantages. Source: http://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/8633/how-do-jet-fighters-get-to-war
I understand that there are certain locations (talking about Elite now) that outright cannot be reached by some ships, and in those cases it would plausibly take longer to transport. But if you're going to err to one side or the other for the sake of mechanical simplicity, it would make sense to me to err in the direction of convenience for the player and hand-waving the edge cases, as opposed to making the edge cases plausible at the expense of player convenience. But maybe I'm missing something.
It just seems to me that this feature was originally intended to add convenience and allow players to be more flexible and spontaneous in their playstyles. I worry that, given the proposed changes, it would do little to serve any of those purposes and would not end up being very useful.
Don't get your hopes up...this is the widest catching poll FDev has ever done. There are likely to be many votes from folks who never visit the forum. People who speak freely here, I can understand them...but I have no clue about the minds of people who'd rather avoid the forums entirely. I know a few, but haven't gotten their opinions, yet.
Indeed there isn't.
Then don't use the ship transfer mechanic or do it before you go to bed. You can only move ships to your current location anyway so it's hardly management or cooldown. What he's saying is it's impossible for this to be an issue as it's an addition not something that is being changed.
Actually a really good idea. They may do that... <- Sandro?
See above, we have no idea if launcher link or in game message or email etc
Oh can you imagine the rage if FD just came out and said that after careful consideration, things will remain exactly as they are, no transfers...instant, delayed, or otherwise.
My main ship that I use in the game is a fully loaded combat capable exploration Vulture.
Fun is subjective. Continuity and immersion are fun to me, especially in a game like this.
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I would really, really like to celebrate April Fool's Day by having the whole server switch to 1.0 balance. I remember just having ground up enough money for a Viper, and me and a friend annoyed a guy in a Python enough to shoot at us - only he hit the station instead, and came back in a Sidewinder. Never seen someone so mad.
Oh can you imagine the rage if FD just came out and said that after careful consideration, things will remain exactly as they are, no transfers...instant, delayed, or otherwise.
It would be glorious.
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Hi Zesty,
Contribute constructively or not at all please. If you're just going to criticise other points of view, or complain about the game, please step away from the keyboard and relax for a while before posting.
How about this - sliding scale of prices. Pay a lot it gets there instantly. Pay a little and you have to go hunting for it in the wheelie bin of the station next door.
(I am of course joking and think that the transfers should be instant, because all the level of delay they're talking about will do is annoy)
(I am of course joking and think that the transfers should be instant, because all the level of delay they're talking about will do is annoy)
Oh can you imagine the rage if FD just came out and said that after careful consideration, things will remain exactly as they are, no transfers...instant, delayed, or otherwise.
I'd pay to see that.
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But it is an improvement:
First, you don't have to conduct the transfer yourself, so while your ship is delivered, you are free to do whatever you want, without the need to perform the tedious fetching yourself.
Second, it is at least twice as fast a transferring a ship is right now, since the travel to your ship is skipped!
2.3 Bulk freighters, be a ship transporter!
Great reason to add more enormous ships to the game. This doesn't have to be immediately, doesn't have to be the same time as ship transfer comes in, but shortly afterwards. Then soon after that we can buy them and pilot them ourselves - ED would extend to cover the genre of space-supertanker sim!
Question is, could you pay to transfer a bulk freighter?... would that mean even bigger ships?! Russian doll ships!
EDIT: Just saw this from Sandy:
Yeah yeah yeah yeah doitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoit!!!!!
Great reason to add more enormous ships to the game. This doesn't have to be immediately, doesn't have to be the same time as ship transfer comes in, but shortly afterwards. Then soon after that we can buy them and pilot them ourselves - ED would extend to cover the genre of space-supertanker sim!
Question is, could you pay to transfer a bulk freighter?... would that mean even bigger ships?! Russian doll ships!
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