***POLL NOW CLOSED*** IMPORTANT, OFFICIAL SHIP TRANSFER POLL
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Sandro stated someone in the thread that this is being considered as a possibility in the future as well, though likely not to be something that is implemented as soon as having ship transfers as stated in the OP. [up]
No decision. It's a poll running to Monday.
There is a link to poll at the first page, first message in this thread. As always
Sure, post number 1.
Well, that's nice, honestly.
I'd prefer to see any time delay idea put in abeyance until we can indeed get 'push' orders..
Very first post.
Ship transfers should be instant. Any delay only benefits two groups: griefers who do not want to run the risk that their mark might be able to pull out a combat ship and people who can devote as many hours as possible to the game.
Further, at 100 minutes, it would be faster to run your main ship out, taxi back in a Stockwinder, then manually move the other ship. If that is the case, what possible function or mechanic does delayed transfer fill?
Instant transfer would also increase ship diversification. Rather than everyone having to run multi-role ships which have good range exclusively, they could fit out combat ships or tramp traders in addition to their main. These ships could be moved (and therefore used) much more easily, meaning you would see many more of them.
The idea that it shrinks the galaxy is patently absurd. You still have to be physically present. Not only that, but aren't they about to introduce a neutron-star hyperjump mechanic, along with the long rumored super jump drives? Those items "shrink" the universe much more significantly than being able to move ships after arriving. Cap the transfer range at 400ly and you can still use it pretty much anywhere inside the bubble, but still exclude places like the New Bubble or Sothis.
Finally, how do all of the people who are up-in-arms about the possibility of instant transfers explain respawning and ship insurance "in-universe?" Ship transfer is no different: a concession to reality in order to make the game more fun. There is a reason you don't have to fill out an in-game insurance claim and wait for them to build you a new ship and then go about collecting all new mats and remaking all of your engineer mods: it isn't fun. Using that same logic: if I want to play with a different ship, it should not require either 1) actual hours of tedious work moving multiple ships which could eat up all of my recreation time (I work frequently and also enjoy seeing my family, in addition to playing Elite), or 2) pay a significant sum of in-game credits in order to wait an arbitrary period of time, which translates to time spent not playing the game.
So just to conclude, inserting a delay into the transfer mechanic means that it will either reduce playtime or just never be used.
Also, I am very disappointed with how this poll is being handled. It is obvious that this caters to an incredibly small, but extremely vocal sub-group of the already small minority of players who visit these forums. If this poll were presented at log in or, better yet, if both options were offered in game to every single player, I think we would get a much more representative sample. The fact that this poll doesn't appear on the loader, hasn't been mentioned with a special email message, or been advertised in any way will skew the results heavily in favor of those with the most time to spend on the game and those who visit these forums. Wrapping this up in the guise of the "Players' Will" when you are only seeking the opinions of a minority of a minority of a pretty large player base is both dishonest and misleading.
Further, at 100 minutes, it would be faster to run your main ship out, taxi back in a Stockwinder, then manually move the other ship. If that is the case, what possible function or mechanic does delayed transfer fill?
Instant transfer would also increase ship diversification. Rather than everyone having to run multi-role ships which have good range exclusively, they could fit out combat ships or tramp traders in addition to their main. These ships could be moved (and therefore used) much more easily, meaning you would see many more of them.
The idea that it shrinks the galaxy is patently absurd. You still have to be physically present. Not only that, but aren't they about to introduce a neutron-star hyperjump mechanic, along with the long rumored super jump drives? Those items "shrink" the universe much more significantly than being able to move ships after arriving. Cap the transfer range at 400ly and you can still use it pretty much anywhere inside the bubble, but still exclude places like the New Bubble or Sothis.
Finally, how do all of the people who are up-in-arms about the possibility of instant transfers explain respawning and ship insurance "in-universe?" Ship transfer is no different: a concession to reality in order to make the game more fun. There is a reason you don't have to fill out an in-game insurance claim and wait for them to build you a new ship and then go about collecting all new mats and remaking all of your engineer mods: it isn't fun. Using that same logic: if I want to play with a different ship, it should not require either 1) actual hours of tedious work moving multiple ships which could eat up all of my recreation time (I work frequently and also enjoy seeing my family, in addition to playing Elite), or 2) pay a significant sum of in-game credits in order to wait an arbitrary period of time, which translates to time spent not playing the game.
So just to conclude, inserting a delay into the transfer mechanic means that it will either reduce playtime or just never be used.
Also, I am very disappointed with how this poll is being handled. It is obvious that this caters to an incredibly small, but extremely vocal sub-group of the already small minority of players who visit these forums. If this poll were presented at log in or, better yet, if both options were offered in game to every single player, I think we would get a much more representative sample. The fact that this poll doesn't appear on the loader, hasn't been mentioned with a special email message, or been advertised in any way will skew the results heavily in favor of those with the most time to spend on the game and those who visit these forums. Wrapping this up in the guise of the "Players' Will" when you are only seeking the opinions of a minority of a minority of a pretty large player base is both dishonest and misleading.
I'd be fine with that, and so long as premium service speed is "instant" or at least under 2 minutes, long enough for a ship to launch, dock with a larger ship, and that larger ship to jump to my location. Bonus points if my ship then lands on the pad next to mine.
Extra bonus points if I get to see the bulk freighters in the first place.
Well, that's nice, honestly.
I'd prefer to see any time delay idea put in abeyance until we can indeed get 'push' orders..
They wouldn't have it be instant to change it later though, at least I would think.
If they had just mentioned ship transfers and not instant ship transfers, we likely wouldn't even be having this discussion to this degree on the forums anyway.
thats the reason the poll is tied to your account.
if 85% of players who vote, vote for a delay but the total number of people who vote is only 5% of the total people who have it installed and actively play the game.
then it should be instant (as frontier originally stated it would be)
that's why Sandro said in the OP "As with all polls, it would take a significant majority of a large voting base for us to take the results as anything more than interesting anecdotal evidence"
they are not gonna change it to a delay if only 5 people vote in the poll and they all vote for delay. (how you got that impression in the 1st place I'll never know)
the way I read that is it's gonna require a large number of installed and active user votes for a delay mechanic (not just forum members) to change the descision already announced from GC (instant)
Personally i voted for a delay but if the poll turns out to show that most people want instant transfer (or that not enough people care to even vote and we get instant anyway) then im ok with that.
it won't stop me playing, I just won't use the feature and won't play in open anymore because other people have an advantage in being able to transport their modded little fighters anywhere they like in a second
it effectively shrinks the galaxy and makes a lot more of it accessible by ships that really shouldn't be able to get there.
i prefer my vast galaxy to remain vast.
I could live with it if you could only transport a ship to a place it could get to under its own steam (for me instant transfer of any ship is a step over the line of reality/gameplay)
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Sandro did also mention that they're considering us being able to see the freighter type ships as well, regardless of transfers being instant. Though I do think there is more compelling reason to if the transfers aren't instant. Either way, it would be pretty cool to see them.
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You know, I always love the "logic" applied to some arguments-like people saying they don't have the *time* to wait the barely 1.5 hours (maximum time, I add) it would take to transfer their ships.....yet those same people will happily spend HOURS on these forums arguing about how essential insta-transport is . I am time poor myself (only had an hour of play last night, & nearly all of that was spent travelling from GD 140 back to Lave) & I see zero issues with timed transfer of ships....as it is still more than twice as convenient as the current situation.
. I am time poor myself (only had an hour of play last night, & nearly all of that was spent travelling from GD 140 back to Lave) & I see zero issues with timed transfer of ships....as it is still more than twice as convenient as the current situation.
It's like you people think for a second and then run out of RAM. Seriously. What is the point of delivery CGs when you have these giant freighters with uberspace drives. The one sure result of delays significantly shorter than flying the ship yourself is that no one will be flying anything but haulers. Plan ahead, order your ship. This is SOOOO much more convenient than the current state.
More than ten times that number voted in the previous poll regardless of the core number posting.
My feelings exactly. I vote for timed transfer, but if it ends up being instant, then it is merely a function I will ignore as I keep playing the way I always have the last 2 years
.You know, I always love the "logic" applied to some arguments-like people saying they don't have the *time* to wait the barely 1.5 hours (maximum time, I add) it would take to transfer their ships.....yet those same people will happily spend HOURS on these forums arguing about how essential insta-transport is
Being more convenient than nothing is not a reason to settle for inconvenient.
It's like saying, well I had nothing to wipe my butt with, but now that I have the option of using toilet paper or sand paper, I'll take the sand paper - it's better than nothing and makes me feel rugged!
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