The poll has enough meaning for the design team though. Because they organized it his time. I don't know how design decisions should be implemented in videogames - but they will never be made with the written approval of all the playerbase. That's just impossible. Still, there are representatives in most videogame communities - chosen on the forums and so forth, going to the meetings, asking questions to the devs at gamescom / citizencon / blizzcon / whatevercon... Forums are the only real contact developers have - apart data. So they're not to be underestimated... IMO.
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The poll has enough meaning for the design team though. Because they organized it his time. I don't know how design decisions should be implemented in videogames - but they will never be made with the written approval of all the playerbase. That's just impossible. Still, there are representatives in most videogame communities - chosen on the forums and so forth, going to the meetings, asking questions to the devs at gamescom / citizencon / blizzcon / whatevercon... Forums are the only real contact developers have - apart data. So they're not to be underestimated... IMO.
Some CMDRS have already spoken about being able to get heavy combat fitted ships with very tiny jump ranges 100's of LY's in minutes if they only have to fly there in a fast long-range ship first and instant transfer the other one. You don't think that will break a lot of the long-standing balance that has gone in to ship design for combat effectiveness vs jump range for the sake of convenience?
A new system where someone else does the 20+ jumps transfer for you, but the time remains the same is basically what it is being offered - while you can do something else at least.
A new system where someone else does the 20+ jumps transfer for you, but the time remains the same is basically what it is being offered - while you can do something else at least.
There is a hard line between people who want instant and people who do not want. This is like being pregnant. You cannot be in pregnant 'a bit'. You are in pregnat, or you are not. This is boolean, 0/1 answer.
There are people who want instant on one side, and people who do not want it on the other side. A question 'how long' is another question what could be placed after deciding instant or not.
Its like a be or not to be. You cant be 'a bit'. You can be or you can not to be.
Overhelming number of people - 3/4 - want id delayed somehow, and 1/4 want instant.
Choosing an instant would be so popular this times a 'terrorism of minority'. Why majority should play as minority want?
There is no divided community. There is a small group of loud folks who do not accept a fundaments of democracy.
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Yeah, and why not? They can play something else or do something else within Elite. It's not as if it's worse than no ship transfer at all. And instantaneous would simply render half the game irrelevant and be exploitable like hell. So this is a good compromise.
No, it's not. According to that last poll in the other thread.
Implement instant and ~75% are unhappy
Implement a trivial delay and ~75% are unhappy
Implement a long delay and ~75% are unhappy
Implement a "realistic" delay and ~75% are unhappy
There is no magic transfer number or rate that everyone can agree on. Fdev can't win on the "compromise." The best they can do is determine what their design goals are and design with them in mind.
And now their design goals seemed to have done a complete 180 from what they have announced at gamescom.
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Obviously not for 2.2, but
Glad to hear that "scenery" Bulk Carriers like the LRC and Lynx Bulk Carrier are ideas still under consideration, regardless of the outcome of the ship transfer delivery time.
Especially if they used the Capital Ship arrive and exits, and throw in the old Lifters shuttling back and forth between them [up]
How it will be explained in lore is really what will decide my vote, though actually now, I am kind of not fussed either way lol
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People here keep saying that the forum users are but a small minority of the player base and that is true.
1. But they are the ones that discuss problems in a place to better bring them to dev attention.
2. They are the ones that when they beta test post results of problems in the bug forums.
3. Many of them are the ones that have been here the longest supporting development of ED
So why shouldn't FD be listening to them. I have been very critical of FD for a long time but this decision from them to listen, instead of tacking on a half baked feature idea is something that could help my faith in them.
I have not said this much to FD but THANK YOU
1. But they are the ones that discuss problems in a place to better bring them to dev attention.
2. They are the ones that when they beta test post results of problems in the bug forums.
3. Many of them are the ones that have been here the longest supporting development of ED
So why shouldn't FD be listening to them. I have been very critical of FD for a long time but this decision from them to listen, instead of tacking on a half baked feature idea is something that could help my faith in them.
I have not said this much to FD but THANK YOU
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Proposed 'option 2' is acceptable for me (i was a folk who wanted a long delay).
Option 2 is +1 to happy from me.
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Who makes you sit and wait for your ship? In contrast to the current situation, where you have to go and fetch the ship yourself and can't do anything else in the meantime, you are free to continue playing the game during the delivery without having to deal with the process yourself.
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Nobody is forcing you to sit around and wait; just get on with your game-play whilst your ship gets delivered. As the game works now, you have to go back and fetch your ship. With transfer, you can continue playing the game whilst your ship gets delivered.
What difference does it make? Instant or delayed, either option will benefit you over your current game-play but your desire for instant-gratification dismisses delayed as some kind of massive inconvenience when it's anything but.
As I said, players like you don't want the Elite experience .. and that's perfectly fine but what isn't fine is wanting to change what Elite IS and HAS been for decades into something it's not, instead of moving on or (preferably) adapting .. but that's Frontiers fault for not sticking to their guns (as I mentioned already) from the get-go.
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I'm calling it right now. Aside from a few whiny "rage-quitters", the majority will get on with playing the game as it is.
Then do not sit and do not wait. You can play in meantime of ship travelling.
Actually it's the other way round. If transfers were instant then you could, if you wanted to, impose a delay on yourself for reasons. If a delay is implemented, there is no way to make it instant.
Or: Logout and play a game that actually respects and rewards my time and investment I put in.
Trying to cater to all you say ... Imagine:
3 tiers:
- Instant. Premium priced
- Minimal wait. Reasonably priced.
- Long wait. Cheap
Caters to casuals and the hardcore; time rich and cash poor alike ... plus as a bonus it mirrors the real world where money talks and [expletive] walks.
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If you choose to ignore all the reasons why having instant ship transfers isn't a good idea.
But you're right about one thing at least though. I won't be using instant ship transfers either way. [smile]
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This so much.
I do like this solution best.
Frontier did this. They said "we're putting in instant ship transfer. We think it's a good thing for players, and for the game." It was THEIR vision. Of course, then the forums went salty and "noooo mah immershion"... when the forums should have "been a part of it, instead of trying to make it their own". So yeah.
Everything Frontier develop, plan, and put into the game, is THEIR VISION. If space-legs turns into COD-ELITE, then it's THEIR VISION. If space-flight becomes to complex that it needs a crew of three with slide-rules just to take off, then it's THEIR VISION.
The problem is, the forums say "stick to what Elite is" and talk about Frontier's product being diluted, no Frontiers's product is Fronties product. Like Elite was. And E2 and E3. Those were classic games because Frontier WROTE THEM THE WAY THEY WANTED TO WRITE THEM. They didn't have backseat pilots criticising every design move they made, and trying to force them to make a game by committee. Trouble with Kickstarting is, everyone who has even put in £2 thinks they are on the board of investors and has a say in *everything* that happens in the design and programming and running of this game. You don't. Nor should you.
The point of the ship transfer is that you don't want to play in the ship you're currently in, hence why you're transferring another. If you make people wait, they will go stuff this and play something else. Why do people think they will do something in Elite while they wait? Sure some will, I probably will from time to time but there is a huge part of the player base that will get annoyed at being made to wait and will play something else.
edit. And all for what? Because a vocal minority of the hardcores want their immersion
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