Pro tip! If you got to a conflict zone, EXPECT CONFLICT

[sndle9]

It's certainly a legit kill, but it still remains seal clubbing: A completely one sided engagement against a palpably weak foe.

I see your reasoning, but you actively placed yourself in a position to be attacked. To me, seal-clubbing is when over-powered ships actively pick on far weaker ships in SC and interdict them to destroy them without any provocation.

E.g. A Deadly pilot in a fully engineered FDL cruising the starter systems attacking Harmless Sidewinders is a seal-clubbing no-talent Richard.

That same FDL attacking the same sidewinder in an active Combat zone is just as one-sided, but the sidewinder went there of his own free will to fight other ships. The FDL may be accused of being un-sporting etc. But as they are both there specifically to attack ships on the opposing team it is no longer seal-clubbing. It just means the sidewinder is extremely optimistic about his chances.

 

[racer1]

Anything is fair in a CZ.

 

[sndle9]

Anything is fair in a CZ.

Far too succinct

 

[JonnyC0mbat]

Perhaps they should have been more aware of their surroundings. If I'm in a CZ and see a hostile commander in a ship that big, I am outta there! Threat management people, threat management!

 

[CharlesD]

There are no seals in a CZ.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

An Engineered Corvette attacking a Sidewinder or Eagle isn't seal clubbing if it is in a CZ? aaallly?

It's called "natural selection" and "survival of the fittest" in a CZ.

 

[m0rl0ck]

So far I've had 5 imperial aligned pilots in the new CZ CG combat log on me (I have video evidence of it, is there a place to properly report them?) and I've had people rage at me because I killed them...in a war.

Yes, I do have an A-rated Corvette with Engineer upgrades to my weapons. But you know what? IT'S A WAR. How is it "unfair" for me to kill you?

Do you think it's "unfair" to kill the Cobra NPC pilots in the CZ? Probably not. So why are you getting mad that I "unfairly killed you in a small ship with my large one?"

It's not like I'm in a low intensity conflict zone. I'm in the middle of a high intensity one, fighting against the imperial capital ship, NPC's, and you. Like, what the heck? Is this what it has come down to?

Your sense of outrage is really funny. You are using engineers mods. That turns combat, at least partly, into a contest of dumb luck and tolerance for boredom. If you are using engineers mods it is by definition not about skill and not a fair fight, yet you complain about others not fighting fair. You shold adjust your expectations to fit the reality of the game.

 

[sndle9]

Your sense of outrage is really funny. You are using engineers mods. That turns combat, at least partly, into a contest of dumb luck and tolerance for boredom. If you are using engineers mods it is by definition not about skill and not a fair fight, yet you complain about others not fighting fair. You shold adjust your expectations to fit the reality of the game.

A Combat Zone is not a nice organised competition playing to Queensbury rules with the equivalent of weight classes etc. It is War.
The only goal in a CZ is to kill enemy ships to win the battle.
It is the only area in this game where I'm in total agreement that it is not seal-clubbing, or un-fair to attack a weaker opponent.

 

[K-Rose]

They whine, you whine, everyone's whining.

Some Federal Officer you are... Stop showing weakness!

Get back in there and get back to killing! If they happen to disappear then it's another victory for the Federation!!

 

[Crusina Luachra]

Pure Fed propoganda. Imperial pilots don't run.. let alone combat log.

Want the video?

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It's certainly a legit kill, but it still remains seal clubbing: A completely one sided engagement against a palpably weak foe.

See what I mean? In a war zone I am bad for fighting for my side. In a war with sides...

Do you think any of them would hesitate to kill me given the chance?

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Your sense of outrage is really funny. You are using engineers mods. That turns combat, at least partly, into a contest of dumb luck and tolerance for boredom. If you are using engineers mods it is by definition not about skill and not a fair fight, yet you complain about others not fighting fair. You shold adjust your expectations to fit the reality of the game.

I never mentioned skill...if you can not be bothered to read I can not be bothered to listen to you.

 

[AdmiralFloof]

Some players are crybabies, they don't even want to risk their ship. It's a        g war, there will always be destruction. War is never fair, it's about who holds the biggest stick, not equal sized stick. You accept that the moment you sign up for the war. SMH.

 

[Arguendo]

First off, I completely agree with the OP. You go to a CZ in Open you must expect to be shot at and killed by other commanders. If you don't, you have no clue what you are doing. And even though I don't do PvP I completely agree that CL'ing needs to have some sort of recourse from FDev.

On the other hand, these statements need some clarification:

That's sad. Even Mobius gets what CZ's are for. You can freely kill opposing players in them while playing in the Mobius private group.

Mobius tolerates PvP in CZs cause there is no in-game way from preventing CMDRs from firing on each other and in a middle of a war shots can go flying all around.

Even in Mobius, killing CMDRs on opposite sides of a CZ is acceptable and allowed.

Afaik it's even legal in Mobius groups, pvp is allowed when you're on opposite factions in a conflict zone.

You allow PvP in a conflict zone because that's what they were intended for and are legit gameplay etc.. but you don't allow piracy even if you don't kill anyone which is just as legit of a thing to do?
I don't get that reasoning.

Mobius accepts that PvP may happen in a CZ, because things move fast. Commanders are however not allowed to enter CZs with the purpose of PvP and to search out other commanders to kill them. There is a big difference between the two, and the latter is not allowed in Mobius. So, no, CZ is not a PvP approved zone in Mobius.
Just wanted to make that clear.
(NOTE: I do not want to derail this thread to be about Mobius, so please don't use this as a discussion point. It is meant as a fact-sharing post only, no discussion necessary)

 

[Wasp0]

They're just being cry babies. Wait for them to come back and kill them again. It's perfectly fair to kill them in a CZ, small ship or not. Someone once said that if you find yourself in fair fight during a battle you've made a mistake. Take every Advantage.

Twas, John Steinbeck......... "If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck"

 

[GluttonyFang]

Well, until FD take a tougher stance against CL, expect this to keep going.

 

[Codger]

I don't even PvP and I get this. If you choose to play Open you should expect to be shot at by other players, especially in a CZ. Any other expectation is simply dumb. And of course they are going to take their best combat ship. It only makes sense.

 

[Divine Cerinian]

This is awesome. Crusina, I'll have my packhounds Saturday. Want to wing up and see how bad the rage gets?

 

[Bomba Luigi]

Yeah, if you go into a CZ your a legit target without a doubt. And yes, even more so when you in a sidewinder and the other is in a Corvette, as killing you in your sidewinder is the best possible thing to do for the War. You lose the bonds you collected so less impact for the enemy faction and a Sidewinder may not be worth as much Credits as Conda in a CZ but as far as the BG is concerned it counts just as much for the influence as far as I understand it.

 

[=71st=RuSh]

So far I've had 5 imperial aligned pilots in the new CZ CG combat log on me (I have video evidence of it, is there a place to properly report them?) and I've had people rage at me because I killed them...in a war.

Yes, I do have an A-rated Corvette with Engineer upgrades to my weapons. But you know what? IT'S A WAR. How is it "unfair" for me to kill you?

Do you think it's "unfair" to kill the Cobra NPC pilots in the CZ? Probably not. So why are you getting mad that I "unfairly killed you in a small ship with my large one?"

It's not like I'm in a low intensity conflict zone. I'm in the middle of a high intensity one, fighting against the imperial capital ship, NPC's, and you. Like, what the heck? Is this what it has come down to?

Depends, they were in the enemy faction?, or was a teamkill?

 

[Deleted member 110222]

You see, I often go through systems at war during my travels.

You know what I do with them?

???

I ignore them.

Why? Because I know I'm not particularly good at combat. I'll do 1v1 PvE. That's it.

I know my skill barrier. Why'd you think I try to excel in other areas, such as my narcotics delivery service? Because I'm not a fighter.

Too many of these loggers just refuse to accept that they're not that good, and often, refuse to get better at combat.

Such is the world we live in...

 

[=71st=RuSh]

I find that pretty annoying.

You allow PvP in a conflict zone because that's what they were intended for and are legit gameplay etc.. but you don't allow piracy even if you don't kill anyone which is just as legit of a thing to do?

I don't get that reasoning.

These are the rules, Mobius is a PvE group, not PvP allow but in CZ, if you dont like it, dont join to Mobius, period!