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Why should I pay 150$ to play beta now? Question from a 'Star Citizenite'
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Neuteboom,
This thread was not yours to repost anywhere, much less indirectly impersonate me since I included personal info about myself in my OP, and the fact that you changed the title on the Star Citizen forum to imply that you need to pay 125$ to play the game when you know that's patently false (worst case it's only 45$) just so you could make the Elite Dangerous price tag of 150$ seem more justifiable comes across as very dishonest, like what the politicized news networks do when they want to skew the news in favor of their political beliefs.
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Backer of both, I bought into ED in Alpha, and I've got waaay too much money in SC but not getting rid of anything 'cuz I'm a long-time Trekkie and flight & space simulation freaking addict...
I've been waiting so long for someone to come out with something like these two games that I wanted to be a part of making both of them the best they can be. My wife too, does not exactly agree but I'm so silly giddy about the potential for them I don't care
TBH I'm getting a bit burned out on the EliteD beta due to some of the little annoying things that have been there since alpha and now are somewhat more prevalent due to more people connecting, so I'm waiting for the next build that fixes things like disappearing enemies, but as soon as it's a little better I'll be spending way too much time in EliteD again..
I've been waiting so long for someone to come out with something like these two games that I wanted to be a part of making both of them the best they can be. My wife too, does not exactly agree but I'm so silly giddy about the potential for them I don't care
TBH I'm getting a bit burned out on the EliteD beta due to some of the little annoying things that have been there since alpha and now are somewhat more prevalent due to more people connecting, so I'm waiting for the next build that fixes things like disappearing enemies, but as soon as it's a little better I'll be spending way too much time in EliteD again..
Yeah, I agree that was out of order.
They were every bit as gracious as ED backers.
Whether you get aggressive replies or not is down to the tone of your post in both camps.
I guess I will be the one to say this:
If you have to ask if it is worth 150$ Or ask if you should buy the game.
Chances are. You shouldnt.
There are bugs.
Lots of crashes.
And the game is missing lots of content.
I think there will also be a server wipe before the game is final. So you would say goodbye to your progress.
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That said.
I love the game.
It is worth every penny I have put into it.
Between the game and peripherals I have spent near $800+
Should I have done that?
In the sake of sanity. NO.
But for something I am passonate about. Want to play. Want to see developed. Want to influence and be a part of.
It is very well worth it.
It isnt a purchase most people put much thought into is what I am saying.
It is the type of thing where you KNOW you want it. Or you KNOW you will wait.
If you have to ask if it is worth 150$ Or ask if you should buy the game.
Chances are. You shouldnt.
There are bugs.
Lots of crashes.
And the game is missing lots of content.
I think there will also be a server wipe before the game is final. So you would say goodbye to your progress.
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That said.
I love the game.
It is worth every penny I have put into it.
Between the game and peripherals I have spent near $800+
Should I have done that?
In the sake of sanity. NO.
But for something I am passonate about. Want to play. Want to see developed. Want to influence and be a part of.
It is very well worth it.
It isnt a purchase most people put much thought into is what I am saying.
It is the type of thing where you KNOW you want it. Or you KNOW you will wait.
You shouldn't buy the beta for the beta, unless you are an eccentric millionaire.
The only reason to pay the high price is if you are happy taking the risk that the game will be bad, but you are also happy to gamble that against the possibility that it might be exactly what you want in a game. Game developers really can't make solid promises, only ambitious plans. Sometimes they pay off, but more often they don't.
If you have any doubts at all: Don't buy it.
There have been too many people who took a similar risk, got burned, then spent their lives complaining on forums about how they got conned by kickstarter. It's a bit like complaining that a horse didn't win despite it's trainer being REALLY confident!
I know that there is a good chance Elite might fall flat on its face, like so many projects that came before it. However, it may also be my last chance to see a sequel to a game I really loved. So for me, it was worth the role of the dice.
The only reason to pay the high price is if you are happy taking the risk that the game will be bad, but you are also happy to gamble that against the possibility that it might be exactly what you want in a game. Game developers really can't make solid promises, only ambitious plans. Sometimes they pay off, but more often they don't.
If you have any doubts at all: Don't buy it.
There have been too many people who took a similar risk, got burned, then spent their lives complaining on forums about how they got conned by kickstarter. It's a bit like complaining that a horse didn't win despite it's trainer being REALLY confident!
I know that there is a good chance Elite might fall flat on its face, like so many projects that came before it. However, it may also be my last chance to see a sequel to a game I really loved. So for me, it was worth the role of the dice.
If you have to ask the question, it's probably not worth it for you.
It's a subjective thing, very much head vs. heart. The coolly rational head argument is that you'd be paying over the odds for early access to a game that is currently buggy and far from complete.
On the other side, the heart argument is about passion for the game and the genre. If you like what you've seen on youtube, and you can't wait to play it, and you're prepared to accept that it's unfinished, then you could argue that it's only a little bit more than the game and expansion pass.
Only you can say whether or not it's worth it for you.
It's a subjective thing, very much head vs. heart. The coolly rational head argument is that you'd be paying over the odds for early access to a game that is currently buggy and far from complete.
On the other side, the heart argument is about passion for the game and the genre. If you like what you've seen on youtube, and you can't wait to play it, and you're prepared to accept that it's unfinished, then you could argue that it's only a little bit more than the game and expansion pass.
Only you can say whether or not it's worth it for you.
I'm Grand Admiral SC backer with an Idris.
I've been playing ED since alpha 2.
As it has been said, if you want something that handles and feels like a sim, ED is your game.
After playing 4 hours of AC today, it's much more of an arcade game than a sim. Plus, my Warthog's throttle doesn't even work. The stick does, but with the way the mouse is buffed, a stick will never compete.
CR promised the best space sim ever, but it looks like we're getting the best arcade space game ever instead.
Choose accordingly.
I've been playing ED since alpha 2.
As it has been said, if you want something that handles and feels like a sim, ED is your game.
After playing 4 hours of AC today, it's much more of an arcade game than a sim. Plus, my Warthog's throttle doesn't even work. The stick does, but with the way the mouse is buffed, a stick will never compete.
CR promised the best space sim ever, but it looks like we're getting the best arcade space game ever instead.
Choose accordingly.
There is a fix for some of the joystick/flight controllers in the forums.
with download files for warthog and another controller fixing the throttle issue.
I a shocked to see anyone suggest that elite could still fall on its face as In my opinion it can't possibly now.
We've seen it, we've played it... its good.
If by fall on its face you mean bugs that can't be resolved fully, then I agree these are a risk but small at best.
If you mean the game will disappoint then I disagree..
with download files for warthog and another controller fixing the throttle issue.
I a shocked to see anyone suggest that elite could still fall on its face as In my opinion it can't possibly now.
We've seen it, we've played it... its good.
If by fall on its face you mean bugs that can't be resolved fully, then I agree these are a risk but small at best.
If you mean the game will disappoint then I disagree..
This is an intresting thread. Iam in the same situation. Today i pre ordered Elite, but just the game not Beta access. Just 40€ i spended.
I also backed Star Citizen, but SC i backed with Alpha and Beta Access and a much higher ammount of money.
I have:
1x Aurora Game Package
1x i325a Game Package
1x Colonel Package
1x Retaliator Package
1x Gladiator Package
1x Hornet Package and dont forget my M50 Package
I belive i spendet around 500~600€ for that.
Iam a big Space fan and thats the reason i like space games like this an SC. Dont know why i spended so much for SC and so less for Elite. Maybe because of the Bonus items
the 150€ Package ist just Beta Access. No ship? no ingame Credits? No Collector Edtion Box?
I think that is my problem why i dont buy the beta and i think it is a little bit to expensive, iam missing the bonus stuff i could get
I also backed Star Citizen, but SC i backed with Alpha and Beta Access and a much higher ammount of money.
I have:
1x Aurora Game Package
1x i325a Game Package
1x Colonel Package
1x Retaliator Package
1x Gladiator Package
1x Hornet Package and dont forget my M50 Package
I belive i spendet around 500~600€ for that.
Iam a big Space fan and thats the reason i like space games like this an SC. Dont know why i spended so much for SC and so less for Elite. Maybe because of the Bonus items
the 150€ Package ist just Beta Access. No ship? no ingame Credits? No Collector Edtion Box?
I think that is my problem why i dont buy the beta and i think it is a little bit to expensive, iam missing the bonus stuff i could get
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You make me sad. I need to work on this problem of having a conscience and start an RMT-based business. Maybe when Elite is released they'll set up an RMT shop so you can throw ridiculous amounts of cash at Frontier and receive worthless trinkets in return, but right now you'll have to settle for getting something useful (but still overpriced even if not as bad as certain other games).1x Aurora Game Package
1x i325a Game Package
1x Colonel Package
1x Retaliator Package
1x Gladiator Package
1x Hornet Package and dont forget my M50 Package
I belive i spendet around 500~600€ for that.
All ships are included with the game regardless of whether you buy normal game, standard or premium beta, by the way, though most are not available yet. You don't have to pay extra to buy them.
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I have a genuine and sincere question, preceded by a brief preface.
I, as everyone else here I presume, am a huge sci fi / space sim fan and am incredibly grateful for the amazing work Frontier is doing. Watching some yt vids of people playing this game literally made me giggle in excitement, something that only Star Citizen has been able to do so far.
My question regards the pricing of the Beta. I would absolutely LOVE to play the game already, in whatever form it is, and keep playing it until release, and maybe contribute with a few polite forum suggestion/feedback threads, but I feel quite..."intimidated" (? don't know if that's the right word) by the 150$ buy in.
I am not comparing this game to Star Citizen, but just to help understand why I am so hesitant, I will allow myself to make this one comparison:
I caught on to the Star Citizen craze very very slowly at first, and since from what I could understand it looked like a worthy project that I thought I would possibly end up loving to death I "pledged" or purchased a 40$ game package that came with a basic starter ship, alpha access, beta access, and obviously the single player and MMO game.
The more time passed on, the more I became absolutely enamored with the project, team, potential etc etc. Long story short, I have know purchased a 275$ game package and have been a 20$ /month subscriber for the past year and some months, including gifting several 40-60$ packages to close friends.
So when I find out about Elite: Dangerous naturally I'm like "Star Citizen AND Elite?? DID I DIE AND GO TO HEAVEN!?"
However, I find myself very very hesitant to plop down 150$ for a "premium beta"
(which by the way, isn't very clear as to what's different than the standard beta apart from one apparently starts before the other)
Why is there no price that at the very least is as much as a normal game? Every early access or beta / whatever price I have ever seen (with the exception of the sheer lunacy that was the Planetary Annihilation alpha) was never priced so high, much less more than the final product release price.
Yes, I understand that it includes future "expansions" (again, kind of vague, the store only mentions general game play mechanics they plan to add) but to me it doesn't make sense that it costs WAAAY more to show my support now as someone who believes in a game and a team when there isn't a final product available yet, than it does for someone to just wait a while and then go "oh let's give this a try".
My question and concerns are sincere, I am not trying to say Star Citizen is better than Elite, just like I wouldn't say it's better than EVE or that puppies are better than kittens.
I'm just genuinely very very excited for this game and would like to ask anyone to help me understand exactly why the apparent backwards pricing model and why I shouldn't just wait.
Disclaimer: I work in Marketing in an extremely demanding and unforgiving environment for the world's largest logistics and shipping company, so I might just be expecting more communication as to what / why I'm buying at such a high price, so keep that also in mind before anyone jumps to the conclusion that I'm just hating on Frontier or whatever.
Just pony up the dough and dig in already! What are you waiting for? Seriously...
This is an intresting thread. Iam in the same situation. Today i pre ordered Elite, but just the game not Beta access. Just 40€ i spended.
I also backed Star Citizen, but SC i backed with Alpha and Beta Access and a much higher ammount of money.
I have:
1x Aurora Game Package
1x i325a Game Package
1x Colonel Package
1x Retaliator Package
1x Gladiator Package
1x Hornet Package and dont forget my M50 Package
I belive i spendet around 500~600€ for that.
Iam a big Space fan and thats the reason i like space games like this an SC. Dont know why i spended so much for SC and so less for Elite. Maybe because of the Bonus items
the 150€ Package ist just Beta Access. No ship? no ingame Credits? No Collector Edtion Box?
I think that is my problem why i dont buy the beta and i think it is a little bit to expensive, iam missing the bonus stuff i could get
That is like my least favorite thing about SC. It is pay to win.
The one thing SC has going for it is graphics. Other than that I have not been impressed.
Delay after delay after delay. And the constant presence of them telling you to buy even more.
When you buy elite PB you buy something you can play online with others today. You buy every expansion that will launch. You get full game access including any and every ship. You are an equal to all.
No hidden fees. No pressure for more purchases.
I really bought into the premium beta to keep me entertained until SC came out. Now after playing AC. I find myself staying with ED. I'm kinda regretting my SC purchase at the moment. Absolutely worth the purchase.
I would like to give ED more money with the micro transaction stuff. May seem like a cheap maneuver, but I like buying virtual ships and stuff. Gives me more to look forward to, and gives Money to the developer.
I would like to give ED more money with the micro transaction stuff. May seem like a cheap maneuver, but I like buying virtual ships and stuff. Gives me more to look forward to, and gives Money to the developer.
Agreed... it was starting to feel kinda spooky just how much money many people where absolutly fine to spend on virtual spaceships, that did not even exist in any form othen then some pieces of artwork... heck, most of them still don't exist, not to meantion that they will probably not be playable for months.
EDs marketing may have been much more subtle, but at least we really got something for our money... I still cannot understand people that defend paying 1000+ $ vor a SINGLE SC ship, yet cannot see why the PB access for ED costs 150$... strange times we live in.
You also get the expansions. If you backed on that level in the Kickstarter you got additional perks like being able to name an NPC, reserve your commander name, t-shirts, and other things.
But really, you should also look at the game itself. What does a ship purchase in SC amount to? Not much, really. ED is undeniably the better game as of this moment, and the seamless nature of ED that pretty much does away with loading bars and whatnot (exiting supercruise needs to be more seamless, but they're working on that), with no limits to where you can fly as long as you have the fuel. And the best part is, they have this working NOW. Not just deathmatch, with the actual (small scale) universe planned for 2016.