Careful Orlando - you just made me laugh so much I spluttered cider all over my monitors - and that is alcohol abuse!
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Careful Orlando - you just made me laugh so much I spluttered cider all over my monitors - and that is alcohol abuse!
CMDR_Orlando
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We're even. [big grin]
CR interview by Gamers Nexus:
[video=youtube;fDROliuDczo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDROliuDczo[/video]
Written version: http://www.gamersnexus.net/gg/2613-...-citizen-procedural-planets-alpha3-citizencon
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Sorry dude but I really need to Fisk this.
Umm, you are. Which is absolutely your perogative, for sure!
As a gamer who also wants a great experience I disagree. Too many variables. The best games these days seem to come from either a) very small scale indie devs or b) from studios with an established workflow. CIG is neither of these.
They don't know anything about development, then. (Note: not "game" specific...
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No. The Kotaku article, backed up with quotes fro CR, implies that there is a huge amount of micro-management going on. In a small team this is crappy but can be justified. In a company of CIG's size then this is absolutely terrible. The CEO becomes the only person who can make decisions.
If you have any experience in any business you have to know that this is a bad thing.
True, but if it's because they were kicking back about unreasonable demands from a micro-managing CEO then the situation becomes less good.
CR admitted in the Kotaku interview that he is, essentially, a "my way or the highway" manager.
This is rarely good.
Umm, I don't think so. But even if they do they do not do it while funded by customer pre-orders.
It's software development, but without the normal constraints - eg a release date. This... may become problematic.
A few things:
Other games were developed by a publisher and only announced close to release.
The risk is on the publisher.
They weren't taking pre-orders before alpha development.
When they missed release deadlines they were coated by the press and fans.
See above.
Then stop compaining when folks are skeptical!
I will say, though, that they are spectacularly not open about use of backer money, and progress with SQ42...
We hope that it continues.
Umm, you are. Which is absolutely your perogative, for sure!
As a gamer who also wants a great experience I disagree. Too many variables. The best games these days seem to come from either a) very small scale indie devs or b) from studios with an established workflow. CIG is neither of these.
They don't know anything about development, then. (Note: not "game" specific...
)No. The Kotaku article, backed up with quotes fro CR, implies that there is a huge amount of micro-management going on. In a small team this is crappy but can be justified. In a company of CIG's size then this is absolutely terrible. The CEO becomes the only person who can make decisions.
If you have any experience in any business you have to know that this is a bad thing.
True, but if it's because they were kicking back about unreasonable demands from a micro-managing CEO then the situation becomes less good.
CR admitted in the Kotaku interview that he is, essentially, a "my way or the highway" manager.
This is rarely good.
Umm, I don't think so. But even if they do they do not do it while funded by customer pre-orders.
It's software development, but without the normal constraints - eg a release date. This... may become problematic.
A few things:
Other games were developed by a publisher and only announced close to release.
The risk is on the publisher.
They weren't taking pre-orders before alpha development.
When they missed release deadlines they were coated by the press and fans.
See above.
Then stop compaining when folks are skeptical!
I will say, though, that they are spectacularly not open about use of backer money, and progress with SQ42...
We hope that it continues.
Insignificant_The_Galaxy_Cat
Banned
Tosh.
That is a blatant lie. Chris Roberts didn't "choose" to leave the helm of Freelancer. After almost 3 years of ever increasing difficulties with the production and a ballooning budget, Micro$oft came in to ask what was going on and found that things weren't going well at Digital Anvil.... and also that Roberts appeared to be diverting funds for making Freelancer into making that terri-bad Wing Commander movie.
Chris was thus removed from heading the project by Micro$oft, moved out from any sort of actual influence in making the game, into a "special consultancy" role. A more polite way of getting booted out on his rear.
Micro$oft then had to struggle for another 2-3 years to get the game out in a form that would make a return on their investment.
Stop trying to re-write history so dishonestly.
Can you provide a source for "that's why he left mid-project in the Freelancer development"?
CMDR_Orlando
Banned
I'm not complaining, I'm giving my point of view
It's well known that Chris Roberts left mid Freelancer project.
It's well known that Chris Roberts left mid Freelancer project.
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Insignificant_The_Galaxy_Cat
Banned
I'm not complaining, I'm giving my point of view
It's well known that Chris Roberts left mid Freelancer project.
Yes, let's use a Wikipedia article that got re-factored by a reputation management company to make it look like Roberts left Freelancer on his own volition, to make a "point".
Try again.
Also, get back on the subject of Star Citizen. Please spin us more tales of how all "bad" news coming out from CIG is actually *good* for them. It's very amusing to see.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/news021205digitalanvil
(Note, he's not thrown out of the game, but it's worded such that it would appear as though Micro$oft shuffled Roberts out of the lead position at Digital Anvil.)
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/microsoft-acquires-digital-anvil/1100-2661569/
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2000/12/05/digital-anvil-rumors
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We all know you're quoting a comdy forum, where they like to make up stuff like this:
- no 3.0 this year (duh), release date is now "after [a significant portion of] SQ42 is released"
- ship sales will continue
- there's yet another new studio involved (most likely contractors/outside dev pool) for planet artwork/maps
- "The Squadron 42 [Prelude] has to hit its [Q1 2017] goal. No more excuses." unsure who, just listed as "top exec"
- a lot of mocap issues with translating them directly into the game, mostly due to character and players size (?? not sure what this means)
- "Expect a lot of cutscenes."
- mocapped characters are fine stationary (sitting, standing, etc) but currently anything involving complex animation makes the models freak out, mostly clipping and clothes problems (still)
- certain characters have several (reported up to six!) different models, as certain scenes had to use entirely different models for the same character due to model size, lod and poor mocap translation
- specific reshoots using stand ins for A list actors are ongoing, mostly animation, actions and poses (still occurring as of q3 2016)
- FPS AI still murders everything through walls, doors, whatever
- certain departments continue to pump out work at an incredible rate while others snail behind, causing back up and necessary "refactoring" when certain elements do not work or had scope change
- heads of department told to "turtle" and avoid outside influences (?? )
- they can't get the intricate damage model to work in SP/MP at all yet, ships continue to randomly jumble themselves to death
But: Even if somebody just makes up stuff like this for the laughs, that doesn't exclude the possibility that the exact same problem actually exists inside CIG at the same moment. Especially somebody posting something on a comedy forum is not negative confirmation (aka: "It's posted on ..., so it never happened."). This kind of trollposting only really works with troubled and mismanaged projects, where some of such speculations accidentally turn out to be true. This is of course where some people gain their enjoyment from.
I'm not complaining, I'm giving my point of view
It's well known that Chris Roberts left mid Freelancer project.
I asked for a source. If that is the best you can come up with, I suggest you stop making such claims. Not that the Wikipedia article backs it up anyway.
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CMDR_Orlando
Banned
Bad news? Wanna bet that funding will increase thanks to this exposure? [big grin]
As the saying goes "There's one born every minute".
CMDR_Orlando
Banned
Why stop at 10 or 20, make it 1000. Get him to use some of the money to start a cryo-freeze program and freeze us all so that we can experience true fidelity by existing in a time of space faring Earthlings.
CMDR_Orlando
Banned
I think it's more hundreds in Star Citizen case. [big grin]
Funding? Or refunds? Not that CIG seem to be 'open' enough to actually reveal how much they have been obliged to return so far. Not much of a bet when you only get half the details...
US FTC message to all crowdfunders: "Keep your promises when crowdfunding. If you promise rewards, give them. If you promise refunds, provide them. Use the money raised from crowdfunding only for the purpose represented. If you collect money for a specified project, like creating a board game, use the money only for that purpose. Don’t use it for personal purposes or to start another project."
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/blogs/business-blog/2015/06/dont-let-crowdfunding-be-your-doom
Fun thread is fun!
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/blogs/business-blog/2015/06/dont-let-crowdfunding-be-your-doom
Fun thread is fun!
CMDR_Orlando
Banned
So a child born tomorrow, could be given the finished game as a gift on their 21st birthday. They could play it on the way to Mars in a real spaceship.
You couldn't make it up.
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