The Star Citizen Thread v5

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Regarding the Kotaku UK articles, Reddit believes that you are entitled to read something you disagree with, without giving any credit to the person who wrote it. Only if you agree with it should you credit the writer! What a cesspool.
 
You won't have exciting PG missions right out the bat for SC. Most of interesting ones will be handcrafted and will repeat themselves quite a bit. ED generates missions from BGS, and use templates and various mechanisms to make them interesting. I personally think it's way to go.

However in general anyone expecting "meaningful, in-depth gameplay" from SC right out of the bad will be disappointed - even handcrafted stuff will feel samey after some time. That's why 'moment-by-moment gameplay' is very importnat. I know it is a bummer for those expecting dynamic, fantastic story lines made out of thin air, but that's long road towards it - for both SC and ED.
 
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So you either don't know or you know your definition is just empty propaganda.


To be honest, I think I remember Orlando posting his definition of MVP (in regards to SC) somewhere. Posting a video of a module released three years ago (IIRC) doesn't tell anyone anything about the state of PU, though.
 
You won't have exciting PG missions right out the bat for SC. Most of interesting ones will be handcrafted and will repeat themselves quite a bit. ED generates missions from BGS, and use templates and various mechanisms to make them interesting. I personally think it's way to go.

However in general anyone expecting "meaningful, in-depth gameplay" from SC right out of the bad will be disappointed - even handcrafted stuff will feel samey after some time. That's why 'moment-by-moment gameplay' is very importnat. I know it is a bummer for those expecting dynamic, fantastic story lines made out of thin air, but that's long road towards it - for both SC and ED.

Missions work the first time as being "cool". Not so much after the 10th much less then 100th. Group I played with in the spring lasted about 4 Saturday afternoons before it was "been there, done that....we're board". Decided to put SC down again until sometime in 2017. In the meantime we are playing Empyrion Galactic Survival. Although I tend to spend most of my time in Elite these days and probably later this fall will be getting into Falcon BMS or DCS now that suddenly I've found a dozen or so people that are interested in those games again.
 
Same format? Care to compare that format and gameplay with ED quests for example? How's it more varied? If anything they are more of the same and with less varied outcomes than Star Citizen.

What does E : D have to do with the lack of SC content? You are the one that constantly brings up the comparisons because SC can't stand on its own because its just a buggy tech demo.
 
What does E : D have to do with the lack of SC content? You are the one that constantly brings up the comparisons because SC can't stand on its own because its just a buggy tech demo.

Me? just read the last 5/10 pages and see how much it's talked about ED and how many posts I have. [squeeeee]

Star Citizen is doing just fine ;) It's just a minority that get's a bit bitter/salty because it just keeps showcasing updates and amassing more and more backers and funding. Despite the ELE 90 days imminent collapse. The End. Period. Ah guess not, just any minute now. [rolleyes]
 
Me? just read the last 5/10 pages and see how much it's talked about ED and how many posts I have. [squeeeee]

Star Citizen is doing just fine ;) It's just a minority that get's a bit bitter/salty because it just keeps showcasing updates and amassing more and more backers and funding. Despite the ELE 90 days imminent collapse. The End. Period. Ah guess not, just any minute now. [rolleyes]

Deflecting as usual. YOU brought up E : D when I pointed out the missions are exactly the same in SC and not varied, and limited.

And that's the problem, it's all in your head. SC is not in good shape as a game. It is pretty bad. You keep pushing the previews and demos as part of the game, but they aren't. Where's that amazing damage from the 2015 demo? Not in game. Where's the pupil to planet? Not in game. Where's grabby hands? Not game, and now refactored again. Where's the great netcode that's been refactored twice now going on three time now? Not in game. Where's the rest of the one star system they were supposed to have several done by the end of this year? Not in game. And etc.

The demos and previews mean nothing.
 
"showcasing updates"

You mean demos that have yet to make it into the game and are quite delayed.

EDIT: Y'all can stop using the colon in ED. Frontier dropped it with the release of Horizons...no more accidental :D
 
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EDIT: Y'all can stop using the colon in ED. Frontier dropped it with the release of Horizons...no more accidental :D

Yeah, but then it's "Hey, I've got ED!" which is already something else.

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I mean, listen to this "If you were never a believer in Chris Roberts" - it's a Cult. They think that because he said something about Dual Universe that Oh boy! He's just so swell! People are literally mental about some obscure developer that hasn't made a game in over a decade.

[video=youtube;z9_lLHm9rFI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9_lLHm9rFI[/video]
 
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An INN guy essentially just recommended that all Kotaku UK content should be pirated for consumption by the SC subreddit.

Nehkara from INN here.
I'll speak more frankly here than I would on INN itself.
Julian Benson's article "Inside the Troubled Development of Star Citizen", which I wrote a piece on INN about, was a good article. However, it did use a lot of inflammatory language and if CIG's responses and rebuttals were removed from the article it would have been quite unbalanced and negative. The only reason it was balanced were the long and detailed responses from CIG.
Another issue with Benson's first article was that all of the information is old but is being presented now as a negative piece on Star Citizen's development.
The newest article "What Happened to Star Marine, Star Citizen's Missing Module" is somewhat better and more balanced.
I would also like to mention that there are multiple errors in both articles. If you do 7 months of research and investigation, there should be no major errors.
I would like to say that I really enjoy your articles Rich. I always have. You do great work.
However, the biggest problem is this:
Unfortunately, Kotaku UK did something this week that essentially destroyed all of the respect I had for them by publishing "The 24-Year Feud That Has Dogged Star Citizen" which is absolute tripe. Unfortunately it is for this reason, that I believe all Kotaku links should be archive links from here on out on this subreddit.
 
Star Citizen in bad shape? [squeeeee] I think it's doing quite nicely. Improving year by year with more content more funding and more backers/players.

Not even many released games can say that, most of them release and make a fast and easy impact by going straight to the top just as a helium balloon and then they slowly deflate bit by bit after the first month and never pick up again. Their momentum is gone, forever. They maintain just that amount of air, that fine line of hard-core players that allows for continuous (but slow) development.

IMO Chris Roberts is doing exactly the right thing. Take it's time and develop something really amazing from the ground-up. Making the foundations and making sure that when it releases, it engages the community from the get go and instead of deflating it keeps inflating and spreading to other players (not necessarily core space game players) and leverage from there. Space WoW if you want to call it like that. Good times ahead indeed! Bring on CitizenCon! +10 millions incoming!

Buy a Polaris (Idris = overpriced now and you are forgetting the Javelin, look it up as its way bigger than the Idris)
 
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Orlando, I have a game which I can play and which will have incredibly awesome 2.2 update - do you really think I am salty because people threw in few millions more for CIG? I was worried SC will overshadow ED maybe three, two years ago. Now? Even with SC Alpha 3.0 I feel confident FD will move towards better and better game. And it will be better for me than SC. I am not salty. I don't like snake oil salesmans and people who openly exploit others. Some time ago CR might be forgiven few lapses in logic and decision making. However with all information at hand, all I see is guy with idea but no tools nor actual knowledge to make it work. I believe crowdfunding should be used to back people who actually know stuff, not no show developer who was given more than twice of original time frame to deliver. There's nothing to get salty about. I am sad and I am angry.
 
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