I remember the storm that followed the 'Divine intervention' episode. Maybe they forgot to reset things.
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Or maybe the retreat status overides the lockdown. Retreat as a status doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere. Do we know how long a retreat lasts for?
Or a fraction can only be in one state so does the retreat have a higher priority to a lockdown?
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Boy am I getting frustrated.
We go into expansion, we get a new system.
On those very first hours of recovering from expansion, we are now instantly going to war\civil war\election with the faction that is closest to our influence level.
At the tick this evening we got our move into a new system and at the same time we also got the message we are pending civil war with a minor faction that obviously has nothing to offer and is merely going to waste our time for the next few days.
This is the third time this has happened and we are having to sit on a system where we want to capture the main faction. How stupid and why not have the 'Recovery' period as a time for 'Recovery'
Why not have a 48hr period of grace to allow a faction to be in charge of its destiny?
We go into expansion, we get a new system.
On those very first hours of recovering from expansion, we are now instantly going to war\civil war\election with the faction that is closest to our influence level.
At the tick this evening we got our move into a new system and at the same time we also got the message we are pending civil war with a minor faction that obviously has nothing to offer and is merely going to waste our time for the next few days.
This is the third time this has happened and we are having to sit on a system where we want to capture the main faction. How stupid and why not have the 'Recovery' period as a time for 'Recovery'
Why not have a 48hr period of grace to allow a faction to be in charge of its destiny?
I believe it would, yes. As far as I can tell there are three "sets" of states. Conflicts (War/Civil War/Election) override everything. Expansion-related states (Expansion, Retreat, Investment) are the second set, and override the third set - everything else (Boom, Bust, Famine, Outbreak, Lockdown, Civil Unrest). "Minimum durations" do not apply to a state being overridden by another, and never have.
Nothing that I've seen yet in 2.1 has broken from that mold.
Retreat appears to have a similar timeframe to expansion: 4-5 days, we've seen both.
Edit: Retreat was explained a bit during the 2.1 launch livestream by CMDR Dav. The rest of what we know, as always, is from observant CMDRs.
https://youtu.be/gEtHu3AXw2Q?t=2h49m44s
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Recovery is bad terminology. What it actually means is that while it is in 'recovery', it can not go pending at the same time. Or at least it shouldn't.
As to your frustrations, Welcome to the BGS. It would be nice if they could input some code into the BGS whereby you only enter conflict with factions that hold a 'landable' asset, because anything else is useless seeing as the economic mechanic isn't advanced enough to make use of the other bases. But it is what it is. Are you in Civ War or War pending, because if you are in Civ War, then thats your home system (or any new system added during the Horizons update) which means you have lost sight of keeping sufficient gap to other factions at home. I've had the same issue myself, and it just gets harder as you have more systems.
I've heard reports of that situation before but never seen it myself. Something I have seen is passing a faction while in a conflict then a new conflict goes pending with them afterwards even though influence is not equal. The difference was enough that the conflict was won before it even went pending.
I was part of the group that caused that Lockdown to hamper a Federal CG. I don't think the devs changed the minimum duration, I think they stopped Lockdown closing the market since that was what prevented people participating in the CG.
Jane Turner
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We'd not like this change. When under BGS attack, triggering a distant meaningless war/election as a delaying tactic, when parties unknown are trying to force a war in a system that is important to us, has served us well.
Yes there is that side of the argument. I haven't had the need for that (yet) myself, so fighting over a nothing base or nothing at all is just a big PITA att haha
Are you suggesting that whilst in 'Pending Expansion' we go to the anticipated system and make sure EVERY system with a low influence is kull them down to a maximum of possibly 4% influence PRIOR to our moving to that location? This can mean we have to drag down maybe three or four systems.
I always thought that in the 'Recovery' state, there was a period we had to 'recover' otherwise what is the point of having this alleged state. I will take your word that it is 'easy' to do, especially if you are a member of a very small group.
Thank you for the reply
John
I always thought that in the 'Recovery' state, there was a period we had to 'recover' otherwise what is the point of having this alleged state. I will take your word that it is 'easy' to do, especially if you are a member of a very small group.
Thank you for the reply
John
Well, unless you have four nearby available systems at exactly the same distance, predicting the one you will expand into should be fairly easy.
'I always thought that in the 'Recovery' state, there was a period we had to 'recover' otherwise what is the point of having this alleged state.'
I go back to what I said, in that it isn't really a recovery from anything but a name given to a state to prevent it from going pending so soon after having been active, and the name kind of gives a feeling of immersion. Kind of, not saying it does, just kind of.
I go back to what I said, in that it isn't really a recovery from anything but a name given to a state to prevent it from going pending so soon after having been active, and the name kind of gives a feeling of immersion. Kind of, not saying it does, just kind of.
Hi John.
You WILL expand to the next nearest inhabited system with less than 7 factions within a certain distance.
Find that system and if it has 7, remove one. It's a bit late now as you are already in expansion phase, But that is what you need to do to ensure you expand.
If you find one with 6, you will go in at between 7.2 - 9.2, All you need to do is get all factions below 7 to avoid going into war with them, Not forgetting that your new influence %age will need to equally come from them, I.E if they are 7.5, they will be below 7 by the time you have expanded in.
Hope that helps
Jane Turner
Volunteer Moderator
I look on it as a means to stop expansions every week. It already possible to cut the live expansion phase to nothing. Without the warm up and cool down it would be possible to be in a state of perma-expansion
Yup it makes sense and getting the influence down of three or even four minor factions without having a presence in that system is do-able but it would take time..
If and obviously it now appears that my 'if' is not viable but 'if' we had a 'recovery' period then in just 24hrs we could easily clear this burden. If we try getting the influence down of three systems then how long would that take?
The civil war can be won before the thing actually starts and then we just wait the four\five days of civil war time but during this period all our systems are out of their boom time
I guess my plea for a genuine recovery period would fall on deaf ears
Yup it makes sense and getting the influence down of three or even four minor factions without having a presence in that system is do-able but it would take time..
If and obviously it now appears that my 'if' is not viable but 'if' we had a 'recovery' period then in just 24hrs we could easily clear this burden. If we try getting the influence down of three systems then how long would that take?
The civil war can be won before the thing actually starts and then we just wait the four\five days of civil war time but during this period all our systems are out of their boom time
I guess my plea for a genuine recovery period would fall on deaf ears
As everyone said - you can predict the exact system you will expand into. So what you could do in the next 24 hours, you can do in the previous 24 hours - or in fact, in the previous three days
I wonder if expansion happens far too easily. The faction I'm working seems to be stuck in expansion/boom, even though there are a couple of systems where it isn't in control but has over 65%.
Jane Turner
Volunteer Moderator
Expansion is now so easy that the rate determining step is flipping the systems you expand into. Every two weeks unless you mess up!
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I think most folks failed to understand my point and hopefully we can all predict where we will expand to and prior to that it MIGHT be possible to get every single faction manipulated downwards so they will not interfere, but WHY??
Once the expansion period ends we find ourselves in a new system and our faction at that location is quite clearly in a state of 'Recovery'
This to me means:
The action or process of recovering something that went missing, stolen or lost or perhaps more likely.... A return to a normal state of health.
During this period should we remain in a state of non conflict or expansion? Should we be allowed to 'recover'? It only needs a 24hr period during which time we can assess our situation and then take the relevant action.
If this is not feasible then why the hecky thumps do we have this 'recovery'? At present I would ask what is it for and what does it mean?
Once the expansion period ends we find ourselves in a new system and our faction at that location is quite clearly in a state of 'Recovery'
This to me means:
The action or process of recovering something that went missing, stolen or lost or perhaps more likely.... A return to a normal state of health.
During this period should we remain in a state of non conflict or expansion? Should we be allowed to 'recover'? It only needs a 24hr period during which time we can assess our situation and then take the relevant action.
If this is not feasible then why the hecky thumps do we have this 'recovery'? At present I would ask what is it for and what does it mean?