So you want to know about the Formidine Rift? (Part 3)

Siranui

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Zeeman said:
Tbey are all constellations in the same region of the night sky, veiwed from fhe northern hemisphere.

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Hmmm. Still sounds more like a mnemonic, or perhaps anagram to my mind.

Also: A list of stars separated by thousands of light years and arbitrarily grouped together regardless of relative distance in space because they looked like stick men to ancients is not a particularly handy clue, really. :/

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evaldo10 said:
Did you find them all ??

Algol is interesting as an NPC was discovered there with a Medusa skin which fits the riddle.
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Algol always tugs my neurons because it was one of the settings for Mike Pondsmith's Mekton Zeta.
 

evaldo10

evaldo10
Looking at it without actually being there yet you can align the constellations from the Heart and Soul nebula.

Your looking back at Sol seeing the constellations as we see them from Earth but in reverse.

Im trying to figure the level on the galactic plane to do so while on my phone and away from anything else just now.

I guess the best way map out the main stars then go out to.heart and soul, look back at Sol and try and line them up as they would be from sol but in reverse.

Also try and align them so Cassapeia looks like it is riding Camelopardalis so that Algol is directly between Sol and them stars.

If you want to tie in some science to mythology there is the theory that the milky way had a collision with another galaxy and therefore along the outer arm there are newer stars etc.

Certainly includes Clash of the Titans type stuff. A clash of galaxys.

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Jaiotu said:
That's the one with the destroyed corvette and the Ancient Earth artifacts, right?
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Yeah cant remember the pilots name. Its a nice littke poibter though.
 

Darth_Angelus

Darth_Angelus
I couldn't find every star in the constellations, but looking back from Heart and Soul, you get an arrow.

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The question is, where do we need to be to see what the arrow is pointing at?
 

Jaiotu

Jaiotu
Is there anything about these three constellations that would add context to Kahina's excursion to Sol back in 3301?
 

evaldo10

evaldo10
Darth_Angelus said:
I couldn't find every star in the constellations, but looking back from Heart and Soul, you get an arrow.

http://codedtransmission.com/lookingback.jpg

The question is, where do we need to be to see what the arrow is pointing at?
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Try triangulating just the three main stars from each constellation.

I would presume a good marker would also be Andromeda ( although you cant bookmark it ).

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Jaiotu said:
Is there anything about these three constellations that would add context to Kahina's excursion to Sol back in 3301?
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Yeah if she saw something from the Heart and Soul Nebula she may have needed to also see it from Sol or at least get a referencing point from Sol.

It nay be that what she saw from heart and soul cannot be seen from Sol so she wanted to check.

She may have just been after a proper cup of Earl Grey.
 

Masheikh Scytale

Banned
Masheikh Scytale
hhiram said:
The R-R line passes through a little bit of one edge of the EAFOTS sector. EAFOTS KB-B C27-11 is a system I have bookmarked that is right on the R-R line. There is a calculator here: https://www.geogebra.org/m/KUhN3UtG (you have to read yor coordinates off the galaxy map).

I've checked every system within about 50 ly of the line that is within EAFOTS sector, and there's nothing there. There's also nothing special to see in the skybox/background either.

Beyond the EAFOTS sector the R-R line hits the Poseidon Wall. The "wall" is where the stars thin out. It starts right near the border of the HYPIAE and PHOI AESCS sectors on the R-R line. Before 2.1 Engineers there was a pretty big gap that you just couldn't cross without using 100% jump boost injections the whole way, so that's where CMDR Heisenberg charted a roundabout way to the outer arm that's now called the Heisenberg Bridge.

These days with a 50+ ly ship like an engineered Anaconda there is only about 600 ly of the R-R that is still not directly crossable, even with boosts. I have the gap bookmarked as being between PHOI AESCS V0-Z-D13-0 (on the edge of the Poseidon Wall) and PHOI AESCS DR-L C21-0. That's the real Formidine Rift that you still have to do a slight detour around. I've boosted into parts of it, and most of the G-class star systems have already been scanned by others. Nothing there.

The clues so far strongly suggest that whatever the mystery is, it lies *beyond* the rift. Since Drew has confirmed it isn't a USS or POI or a single system, and that it's been in-game since 1.0 gamma, then that means it can only be a pattern of stars and nebula visible in the skybox. To really see the skybox you have to fly about 2000ls out from the main star of the system, so that the skybox objects are fully brightened up (they are dimmed near the central star to simulate glare).

So, we're looking for a pattern that is visible in the background stars and nebula. What else could it be?

One problem is that the nebula don't always display - a known bug. So, that might make the mystery unsolvable just in itself, which would really suck. (And shame on Drew and FD is this is the case).

Another question is whether the pattern is visible *only* in the skybox, or whether it is visible in the galaxy map. If it's in the map, then no actual exploration is required. That would also be lousy - in which case, shame on Drew and FD again.

I'm back in the bubble now. I got frustrated with not enough good clues and the indications that the "mystery" can't actually be anything very interesting. I hope I'm wrong, but if you can't actually discover anything except that a few stars or nebula line up a certain way when you look at them from the outer arm, well, that's a rubbish "solution" to a 2-year-old "mystery" in my opinion.
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Welcome to the Club.
 

lorrad

lorrad
Jaiotu said:
https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/57ee354a9657baef7c5a5e6d

Galactic News: Acrimony on Achenar
01 OCT 3302
An anonymous source has indicated that the scandal surrounding former senator Kahina Tijani Loren has awoken latent animosity within the Imperial powerbase.

The source claims that recent events have brought the affairs of Admiral Denton Patreus, Princess Aisling Duval and even Emperor Arissa Lavigny-Duval into the spotlight, and that much intrigue and politicking is taking place behind closed doors.

Princess Duval, following an embarrassing story from The Imperial Citizen, said: "Isn't it interesting that this happens just as a crisis is developing on our borders? While the media is preoccupied with that psychopathic Loren woman, the real stories are being ignored!"

Neither Emperor Arissa Lavigny-Duval nor Admiral Denton Patreus deigned to comment on the matter.
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Interesting, neither article is on my in game Galnet Feed. Wonder how Galnet propagates, seems to happen often that things show up days late may be a bug?

Something we tend to ignore, what picture was used on the Galnet article about TOW's Cobra?

So the message is in three sections:

1. EAFOTS
2. an encrypted block we don't have
3. "The vain queen rides a giraffe that remembers her daughter's hero"

Normally that would suggests 1. and 3. are keys to 2.

On the three constellations there's the three closest stars of each to the others, what would be the center of that triangle?

Any other coding clues in the galnet? Remembering EB,P.

Area of stellar extinction B5 stars, again the life-death, possible terraforming mastov thesis, Terraform or Thargaform or AIaform or Cutuluform?

Advancing story while beta active,,thats a first.

Anything else bloody obvious but not stated?

Think I'm down to arranging the clues in a mandala of post-it notes and meditating on it for surely if a punchline is present a joke will arrive.

I got three grinds between me and what I want to do, engineer crap, and lots of jumponium and limited game time should take me to new years.
 

Matzov

Matzov
I think the guy who does Galnet itself only works during the week. I suspect they have given Drew some sort of limited access to publish articles on the website, that someone at FDev then reposts to Galnet in game.
 

Darth_Angelus

Darth_Angelus
Not sure if this helps or not but it's hard to believe it's just a coincidence.

After reading Salome's distress call when she was captured, I decided to look at Hawkins Gap and the Conflux (only on the map, I've not gone to either region).

You can draw a line from Hawkins Gap to the rift that passes directly through the Bubble. I chose a system in the area at random and checked if it was on the RR line. It was only about 100ly off. It's also 30,000ly from the rift, so it's not something we can quickly go and investigate.

I also noticed that Jaques station is inside an almost identical nebula to the one in Hawkins Gap, which reminded me of how Heart and Soul looks like it's been torn in half from some angles.
 
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Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
evaldo10 said:
I like this, from what i can tell its around the same place I had mapped for my next rift trip. Although Im heading in the across the rift direction of the triangle. May have a snoop about in the central area of the triangle as well.

EDB appears in some of Drews writing. The significance isnt known but its a good place as any to have a gander.
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it should be on the first page-EBP is ROT13 code for ROC; Right On Commander came up frequently in the original Elite game. Edit: this was a little puzzle that Drew set last year to test the playerbase skills in decoding & has since been almost part of his 'signature'
 
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lorrad

lorrad
Matzov said:
I think the guy who does Galnet itself only works during the week. I suspect they have given Drew some sort of limited access to publish articles on the website, that someone at FDev then reposts to Galnet in game.
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Thanks and sorry got your name wrong, won't now.

I think stuff shouldn't get out before the in-game galnet.
 

Darth_Angelus

Darth_Angelus
Managed to identify all but three of the remaining stars from the constellations.

They definitely make an arrow and it looks like it's pointed at Polaris, which was a Thargoid system in First Encounters. It's permit locked now though, so it's hard to believe that's the answer.

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lorrad

lorrad
Matzov said:
Oh no worries at all!!
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http://imgur.com/r4QcL88

Here's some shots from Stellarium of the area between the three constellations taken our date when Kahina visted Earth last year, her real date 3302 and our now for the sake of it.
There's the theory she went to Earth to get a bead on something. As you can see the Heart&Soul appear in the triangle between the queen, the giraffe and her daughter's hero. Sadly the stellarium screenshots aren't good enough for detail work.
If I was out that way right now I'd be looking at B stars and specifically B5's [the stellar extinction idea] in that bit of triangle of EAFOTS that intersects with Heart and Soul and patrol lines. Dead stars, dead worlds, strings of b5's or dead and suspicious elw and alw things around there. And how the mythy stuff fits,,,,
Another way to approach it is guessing what processes Drew might have gone through to place this mystery before the game came out and then when the ED galaxy was actually made and specific stuff could be crafted.
O well back to the drawing board,,,,,gonna try one note and maybe make an actual mandala of all this stuff,,,
 

[Diplomacy] Carnegie

[Diplomacy] Carnegie
lorrad said:
http://imgur.com/r4QcL88

Here's some shots from Stellarium of the area between the three constellations taken our date when Kahina visted Earth last year, her real date 3302 and our now for the sake of it.
There's the theory she went to Earth to get a bead on something. As you can see the Heart&Soul appear in the triangle between the queen, the giraffe and her daughter's hero. Sadly the stellarium screenshots aren't good enough for detail work.
If I was out that way right now I'd be looking at B stars and specifically B5's [the stellar extinction idea] in that bit of triangle of EAFOTS that intersects with Heart and Soul and patrol lines. Dead stars, dead worlds, strings of b5's or dead and suspicious elw and alw things around there. And how the mythy stuff fits,,,,
Another way to approach it is guessing what processes Drew might have gone through to place this mystery before the game came out and then when the ED galaxy was actually made and specific stuff could be crafted.
O well back to the drawing board,,,,,gonna try one note and maybe make an actual mandala of all this stuff,,,
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If you have a spaceship and you want to look at stars, absolutely the worst thing you can do is go land on a planet, since you're having to deal with an atmosphere, weather systems and light population.

Also, if you have access to a spaceship and you want to look at the sky on a particular date, you can just fly to where the planet will be on that date, rather than have to wait.

Additionally, if you're looking at things thousands of lightyears away, the parallax effect that you can see based on the Earth's orbit (a baseline distance of 16 light minutes) is going to be utterly trivial.

In short, I'd suggest that whatever Salome has up to when she landed on Sol, it certainly wasn't looking at the heavens.
 

The Lonely Astronaut

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Just want to point out, that the Interstellar Extinction idea, you were referencing from Finn isn't as dramatic as you think it is. Interstellar Extinction is just is just the absorption and scattering of radiation by dust and gas between the star and the observer. Not saying that you won't find dead things there or anything. Just want to clarify that Interstellar Extinction isn't a exciting term as it sounds.
 
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